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Foldables are still very flawed. I will soon return the Z Fold 5. I can't unsee the crease in dark mode during daylight hours and the lack of dust resistance is a huge deal. Once we see foldables with no crease whatsoever and full dust protection then they will really take off. The potential is absolutely there.
 
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Will it run iOS? Then it won't catch up. For all the things we like to complain about with iOS (rightfully so) I would still take it over Android all day every day.
 
Make a favor to Samsung and ban this company. Why not?.
Who wants even more competition in the Android market?.
 
Most if not all chinese companies especially large ones have a CCP ownership stake yeah. It’s why they shouldnt be allowed to operate in the US.
Actually is not like that. Somebody made a good job doing the inception. The myth is so rooted in that by now, that is like trying to convince a flat-earther about the contrary.
 
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That's _exactly_ what Apple did when they released the iPhone, it was higher priced than just about everything on the market.

Yes but those higher iPhone prices didn’t last long as they were reduced by $200 (33% to 40%) within less than three months. Apple even had to appease ticked off early iPhone adopters by giving them $100 gift cards.
 
It’s very hard - for basically any company in the world - to compete with Apple’s technological exceptionalism.

I would say it’s that unique operating system that is Apple’s strength, and then they make it as buggy as possible. Apps made for that operating system. That was the leverage Apple had when I came over. The apps were bigger fatter and fuller compared to those 8bit applications for Android.



Now they are letting that unique quality slide with a buggy iOS that cheapens the experience.



Anyway - rant over…
 
they still dont understand. SW is the key, not HW. HW is easy to make and easy to improve and can always improve over years.
SW on the other hand takes years to build and it requires substantial long-term investment. iPhone can be so popular is because of it's iOS, and ofc HW does play its role.
 
Xiaomi produce very very good mid low range smartphone but to beat iPhone they need more than a phone they need the vertical market Apple has. but Xiaomi pad is really nice and some of the watch too. But you need to be more than nice you need exceptional …
 
It really wouldn't take much from any manufacturer to come out with a phone that trumps the iphone;

  • Under 6" in size (actually pocketable)
  • MicroSD card slot
  • Fingerprint scanner on the power button (the most logical place to put it)
  • Two FRONT facing speakers
  • Headphone jack
All of this has been done before on a number of phones (Samsung S10e, Sony XZ1).

It's amazing how simple the recipe is for a GOOD phone but pretty much every idiot manufacturer refuses to do it.
You should check out the small Android phone project.

A while after you sign up, you may get an invite to the Discord to provide more input. Their goals check most of your boxes (not the front-facing speakers, unfortunately, and the headphone jack is still TBD). They're currently trying for a 5.4" display size, similar in size to the iPhone mini.
 
Competition is great! Maybe Apple will be forced to keep their prices competitive. Anyone rooting against Xiaomi doesn’t understand the impacts long term to consumers.
No reason the pro series iPhones shouldn’t max out at $899. We are getting tired of the Apple tax.
 
One way to get attention is to put your name on the same line with a major player. The approach has a big upside despite making you look like a cheap glory hunter. Also, as many noted, it is likely a bad idea for a non-China-based consumer to purchase a 100% Chinese phone. Too many pings go back to the mothership.
 
No reason the pro series iPhones shouldn’t max out at $899. We are getting tired of the Apple tax.

Max out as in $899 for a 1TB 14 Pro (or Pro Max)? In that case, the smartphone market doesn't just have an "Apple tax." Google's Pixel 7 Pro with only 512GB storage is $1,099 when they're not running a sale. Samsung and other brands can get pricey/pricier too.
 
I've never understood why these manufacturers keep on saying they are going to beat Apple but keep on putting Android on their phones. There's a reason you still haven't beaten Apple.

No one ever seems to be prepared to have a serious debate about this either because it’s just assumed that iOS and Android are the only mobile operating systems we can have.

BlackberryOS died off. ( after a while that was licensable for a while and didn't get traction)

FireFox OS ... started and died.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Firefox_OS

WindowsPhone ... died

KiaOS has a stable footing in low end 'basic phones '

There have been multiple attempts ... none have really stuck.


One major barrier to entry is when iOS and Android turn it into a 'pissing match' contest of largest App store. 100,000's of apps and billions apps sold/'generating revenue' . People's data is trapped in apps and if you can't bring over just about all of the major apps then don't pragmatically have a viable offering.

[ 100% web apps would be infinitely portable doesn't pragmatically hold water either. KiaOS getting modern Firefox browser isn't going solve their gap issue any more than it did for FireFoxOS. ]


Linux Desktop has flailed for more than several years against macOS and Windows inertia on major applications . Basically same high barrier to entry.

Back when there were very small app stores ( When Blackberry and Palm and Nokia's OS were far more dominate players there was a broader set of phone operating systems. But the 'billions sold' apps stores brought all of those down. )

Android is 'free' enough that most vendors have chosen to mild-fork Android. Try to limit cost somewhat by reusing 'free'/'open' code foundation of Linux/Android, but but a differentiating GUI on top. ( Android is not like Windows , where Microsoft basically presents all of the core GUI experience to the users. ) Part of Android's problem is that people have been trying to use it for differentiation more so than a stronger collective unifier.

Most of these phone vendors put minimal money into maintaining the OS ( in part because margins are so thin). The flow of money from end unit sales to consumers to the keep the maintenance/security up and progressing in tact is fragmented and balkanized. An individual phone vendor doing it all themselves from scratch is even higher overhead placed upon even fewer phones.

[ Even Apple is cross product line spreading the core OS infrastructure across Macs, AppleTV , watch, iPads, and iPhone. Apple unified the file system code under APFS ( to control costs ). etc. etc. iPhone isn't solely funding all of its OS development either even with Apple's abnormally high margins. ]


The 'crack' Android would need at least a couple of phone vendors to break off and collectively do an effort. The problem there is that the competition level is so high the collation would likely break down before it got major traction.

There are just a couple of 'clean ups' that Android needs to do that would help alot.

1. Google does a better job of separating the hardware abstraction layer from the upper layers of the OS+libraries stack. They have made progress but it is always going to need work.

[ Ditto for the low level hardware vendors firmware wise. ]

2. Phone vendors need to throw less money away at skinning their way into differentiation. Delivering better software services value add is more worthy of money. ( those other guys are offer no security updates after a year ... we do three. So we're better. Moves on those dimensions. )



3. Set a solid floor. Some of these $80-100 phones just need to let go to something else. Trying to cover every phone physically possible gets into a diminishing returns after a certain point. For a while there was Android One


That has stalled , but Google seems skittish to put a reasonable hard 'floor' under what is Android minimums in terms of both hardware and support commitment. It is hard because basic Android is open source so the system/hardware vendor to toss whatever they want out there ( it 'free' open as in 'free speech' and 'free bear' (as long as don't bundle the Google Play store. )

At some point Google has gotten tracked into chasing 'eyeballs' at any costs. ( the spin is make it up 'loss leader' status in ad views ). But when the margins get way too thin software quality just suffers. Not enough money to do it right and too many corners get cut ( and in an uncoordinated way because being made by different entities ( phone vendor , base hardware vendor , OS vendor , etc. )
 
While some phone manufacturer will likely do this some day it’s probably not soon. But Xiaomi might dominate China which alone would make them a giant company and ultra successful.
 
So they plan to capture the top of the market with... Android?
 
And it will happen despite the arrogance of many, although it won't just be Xiaomi, it will be the Chinese technology industry at large. They're already doing it with EVs. Want proof? Ask yourself why their devices are banned in the USA, and no, it's not because of 'spyware' because the USA could easily demand the same software standards as China do of Apple: your servers must be hosted in the country and not have a backdoor to the US government. Remember when they banned Huawei modems because they make better 5G tech than us and Cisco started crying?

This is China's time, they are leading world history right now. The USA is in degrowth mode and stopped innovating a while ago. It didn't have to be this way, we can still fix this... but we won't because the people in charge don't want to. Meanwhile it will be thoroughly entertaining to watch people continue to cope, whine, and cry as Chinese companies start making great foldables with new battery tech like Silicon Carbon. Once they start to domestically manufacture 3nm chips in spite of the ASML sanction, it's over, we'll have nothing else to hinder their bullet train of technological progress.

Even if the USA insists on blocking ordinary people's access to Chinese technology, China will still have Asia, Africa, Latin America, and large parts of Europe to sell their phones to so it would be unwise to think nothing can take on Apple.
 
is it actually considered a company or just an arm of the Chinese government? So hard to tell.

It's a company. There are plenty of completely private companies in China with no formal connection to the CPC. Some companies, when they become large enough or very important to public life, have CPC representatives join them to ensure accountability to the general public. This is a difficult concept for many Americans and Europeans to grasp because we're used to our governments being in opposition to us rather than representing our interests so it's impossible to imagine that government employees joining a company could be anything other than a negative. That's simply not the case in China and there has not been a single legitimate example to demonstrate otherwise.
 
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