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OK, I said the modern smartphone. Not the first smartphone. Might as well say The Newton, as it didn't have cell service, but was closer to a modern smartphone and came out 2 years before the simon.

Oh sorry, as mentioned before LG beat apple to market with an all(almost) screen device. I believe there was one other too.

Of course in physical keyboard non touch screen there was the blackberry line
 
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ok, I'll bite, who did?
That's a pretty vague question. What's "the modern smartphone" anyway? Regardless, I'd argue that no one company invented it. Apple got a lot of things right on their first attempt, especially regarding form-factor, but there's also a hell of a lot that they were missing for years that their competitors had early on.

Apple certainly helped popularise smartphones though, I'll give you that.
 
Oh sorry, as mentioned before LG beat apple to market with an all(almost) screen device. I believe there was one other too.

Of course in physical keyboard non touch screen there was the blackberry line
I can see your point. But I feel those versions of smartphones were very different than the current pocket computers we have now. It almost feels like saying Nintendo's Game and watch was the first modern handheld gaming system. It is all opinion and perspective though.
 
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They "started" over a decade ago and capital towards software is not doing much clearly.
China has nationalized operating system design. Soon all domestic devices will be required to adopt HarmonyOS. It’s originally designed by Huawei from the ground up to support the next generations of devices. It’s kinda like a hive mind of sorts, distributed OS, where all devices are linked and operate with the same OS. That project has been donated to China’s relevant branch of government and is now state-run. So, Huawei relinquished control, and every relevant company and university in China will contribute to its development and adoption.

It will not only rival Apple’s Darwin-based operating systems, but also replace Windows, Android, Linux, BSD, and everything else.

P.S. The current version of HarmoneyOS has backwards compatibility with Android, but it won’t be as more and more Android core components are being deprecated as the transition progresses. When all the Android components are removed, it will unlock its full potential. I think of it like J.A.R.V.I.S..
 
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China has nationalized operating system design. Soon all domestic devices will be required to adopt HarmonyOS. It’s originally designed by Huawei from the ground up to support the next generations of devices. It’s kinda like a hive mind of sorts, distributed OS, where all devices are linked and operate with the same OS. That project has been donated to China’s relevant branch of government and is now state-run. So, Huawei relinquished control, and every relevant company and university in China will contribute to its development and adoption.

It will not only rival Apple’s Darwin-based operating systems, but also replace Windows, Android, Linux BSD, and everything else.
But does it have minesweeper built in?
 
Might as well say The Newton, as it didn't have cell service, but was closer to a modern smartphone and came out 2 years before the simon.

There were a couple of similar devices the came out around the same time as the Apple Newton e.g., the Casio/Tandy Zoomer. However, phone capabilities is kind of a key factor in defining a "smartPHONE". The AT&T EO Personal Communicator also came out around the same time as the Newton but was available with a phone.
 
I think giving Apple competition is great. Then I realize Apple priority won’t be a device in your hand, but one that sits in front of your eyes. And how they’re so much farther ahead than the competition. They should put the money and time on the future, not beating Apple in the present.
 
I welcome a competitor, shouldn’t be hard to topple a company so bloated with there own rederect. Incremental updates a complete lack of privacy.
Follow the people, we want real privacy not just the illusion of privacy at a reasonable cost and keep up with Wi-Fi standards.
 
Oh sorry, as mentioned before LG beat apple to market with an all(almost) screen device. I believe there was one other too.

Of course in physical keyboard non touch screen there was the blackberry line
You have simplistic idea of what an invention is. You see it as something that must be created in a vacuum and if it has any aspect of it from the past it’s simply an “evolution”. The telephone wasn’t an invention because the telegraph existed before it. “It’s all just stuff going over wires”, you would say. The television wasn’t an invention because the radio existed beforehand. “It’s just stuff being broadcast over the air, they’re practically the same thing”, you would say. The airplane wasn’t an invention because hot air balloons and blimps already existed. “It’s just stuff flying through the air, the hot air balloon did it first, they’re just copying that”, you would say. The automobile wasn’t an invention because carriages and buggies were around first. “They’re just replacing the horse with an engine”. Additionally, you would claim automobiles weren’t the first things to have wheels, seats and windows as parts. The automobile is simply an evolution the of the house and human pulled flatbeds, you would claim.

I guess that leaves us with what? Silly Putty?
 
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Guess we are totally forgetting about blackberry? I believe blackberry had the first true breakthrough smartphone could be wrong but definitely had smartphones before Apple, they just weren't touch screen.
In North America BB seemed to be incredibly popular, also we had Windows Mobile pocket PCs (from HTC, i-Mate, Samsung, Motorola etc…) in NA and the rest of the World with touchscreen along with Symbian smartphones from Nokia (S60, S80 and S90 based Symbians), Samsung (S60 Symybian based), Motorola (Symbian UIQ based) and Sony Ericsson (Symbian UIQ based with Touchscreen), as well as BlackBerry.

There was a time when you could also get BlackBerry Connect services on Windows and Symbian devices for a short while, I remember the Sony Ericsson P990, Nokia E61 and some others were compatible with this. Good times, you had to know certain forums and companies to get the software, lol.

I used Symbian smartphones before iPhone and Android arrived.

Apple revolutionised the smartphone, even Steve Jobs said “every once in a while a revolutionary device comes along that changes everything” when introducing the iPhone. Apple are great at bringing revolutionary devices and changing the course of an industry, they are absolutely phenomenal at that. Apple sit and wait for technology to mature so they can bring to market a truly user friendly device. They create “leapfrog products”.

I would agree if people say “reinvent” I think Steve also said this in the iPhone launch, they definitely reinvented the smartphone but they didn’t outright invent it, one would have to be living in a dreamworld to say that.?
To reinvent is to go and change something so much that it appears to be entirely new, meaning the device existed before but what they brought changes how it’s used.
 
You have simplistic idea of what an invention is. You see it as something that must be created in a vacuum and if it has any aspect of it from the past it’s simply an “evolution”. The telephone wasn’t an invention because the telegraph existed before it. “It’s all just stuff going over wires”, you would say. The television wasn’t an invention because the radio existed beforehand. “It’s just stuff being broadcast over the air, they’re practically the same thing”, you would say. The airplane wasn’t an invention because hot air balloons and blimps already existed. “It’s just stuff flying through the air, the hot air balloon did it first, they’re just copying that”, you would say. The automobile wasn’t an invention because carriages and buggies were around first. “They’re just replacing the horse with an engine”. Additionally, you would claim automobiles weren’t the first things to have wheels, seats and windows as parts. The automobile is simply an evolution the house and human pulled flatbeds, you would claim.

I guess that leaves us with what? Silly Putty?
Apple reinvented the smartphone, they didn’t invent it, if you do want argue this go rather go argue with Apple themselves as they also spoke about reinventing and bringing a revolutionary device.

Let us know how your argument went with Apple, in fact you can sit and argue with Steve Jobs iPhone launch, that should be fun. :)
Would be your word against his.
 
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Apple reinvented the smartphone, they didn’t invent it, if you do want argue this go rather go argue with Apple themselves as they also spoke about reinventing and bringing a revolutionary device.

Let us know how your argument went with Apple, in fact you can sit and argue with Steve Jobs iPhone launch, that should be fun. :)
Would be your word against his.
Another guy that wants to engage in pedantic semantics. Saying Apple “reinvented” the smartphone is saying the exact same thing as saying Apple invented the modern incarnation of the smartphone, genius. Don’t think so? Let us know how your argument goes with your English professor.
 
Another guy that wants to engage in pedantic semantics. Saying Apple “reinvented” the smartphone is saying the exact same thing as saying Apple invented the modern incarnation of the smartphone, genius. Don’t think so? Let us know how your argument goes with your English professor.
Nope, it is not the same thing and if you actually had an English professor you would know that. ;)
 
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I could only find smart phone data going back to 2013. Fewer than 35% of adults, or about 25% of the population had a smart phone then in the United States, and the US had the heaviest cell phone penetration. If you went worldwide, I would guess that 25% would be far, far fewer considering the US makes up only 5% of the world population. If I were to guess, it would be fewer than 5% who had smart phones and that's in 2013. Going back to 2007, it would be significantly fewer than that.
You’re just lying now….

 
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China has nationalized operating system design. Soon all domestic devices will be required to adopt HarmonyOS. It’s originally designed by Huawei from the ground up to support the next generations of devices. It’s kinda like a hive mind of sorts, distributed OS, where all devices are linked and operate with the same OS. That project has been donated to China’s relevant branch of government and is now state-run. So, Huawei relinquished control, and every relevant company and university in China will contribute to its development and adoption.

It will not only rival Apple’s Darwin-based operating systems, but also replace Windows, Android, Linux, BSD, and everything else.

P.S. The current version of HarmoneyOS has backwards compatibility with Android, but it won’t be as more and more Android core components are being deprecated as the transition progress. When all Android components are removed, it will unlock its full potential. I think of it like J.A.R.V.I.S..

I think you’re drinking the K.O.O.L.A.I.D.

And probably most of the source code was stolen.
 
If "larger" is referring to annual sales, absolutely yes. I guess the question becomes, what is being used to define larger/largest or #1.

'Larger' meaning sales, or 'devices in hands'. I'm sure China could put one in every citizen's hand and cover it all. Not install it IN their hands, btw. :oops::D
 
If "larger" is referring to annual sales, absolutely yes. I guess the question becomes, what is being used to define larger/largest or #1.
The fact that they have 10 000 stores and want to open 20 000 more in that one country is insane (please correct me if I got those numbers wrong).

They can literally sit in their country and just sell there and “technically” appear to have the largest share of sales in the world, but it would be a heavy weighting to China vs The Rest of the world sales.

On the other hand they are up against their home mates BBK who have OnePlus, Vivo, Oppo etc… under their umbrella.

It is very interesting that Apple managed to capture such a huge amount of sales there vs the homegrown brands, a part of me thinks it’s going to be hard for companies like Xiaomi and BBK to compete with Apple if their own home country prefers Apple. I wonder if we will see China go the way of Japan where Apple has a huge slice of the market despite Japan having had some fabulous phone manufacturers who have seemingly begun to slow their global availability of their phones globally.
 
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