Xiaomi VP Hugo Barra Defends Against Copycat Accusations in New Interview

[ChrisCW11]

Apple can either be a company that is proud of the products it makes and secure in what market they can gain, and can innovate and be the "first" with everything they do, regardless of how often they are duplicated or copied, or Apple can be a stupid, entitled, naive, petty, jealous and insecure company that assumes they will gain more market share if they compete in the courtroom and sue every "copy-cat". Apple has to stop thinking they will capture 100% of the phone market, and instead start being happy with the 15 - 20% they have that has made them one of the richest companies on the planet.

Apple believing they are entitled to more market share if the copy-cats didn't exist is just ****ing stupid and greedy.

 

[JPLC]

First of all, that was Pablo Picasso who originally said that. Second, and more importantly, he wasn't trying to justify theft of intellectual property. Why does this quote come up every time a company blatantly copies an Apple design? There's a reason Xiaomi hasn't sold phones in the West yet.

About the "Great artists steal" quote.
This quote is not a glorification and motivation to steal. It is critical against the established order and elite who run (reproduced) art these days. For who reads this and really wants to know the real story...

What Picasso ment, and what CoBrA stood for (go Wiki go!) was a protest against the established art and an expression of innovation by breaking all the rules from their own creative base without external influence. That's what modern art stood for in the beginning. Not anymore. By copying each other, most modern artists do the opposite nowadays. Same story with Jobs. It's a quote without context he used. That makes it extra painful because it has no meaning when you do the opposite. Ironic.

 

[Edgar Spayce]

"Bad artists copy, great artists steal"

Xiaomi are great artists, and they borrow as much from the iPhone and Android.

But this kind of "meh they copy Apple, because Apple is invent0r meh" ****tard argument still caters to delusional and ignorant fans.

 

[kdarling]

Of course, Jobs took "Stay hungry, stay foolish" from the last Whole Earth Catalog's 1974 back cover:

 

[C DM]

Of course, Jobs took "Stay hungry, stay foolish" from the last Whole Earth Catalog's 1974 back cover:

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But it wasn't applied in the essentially same exact context and in the same exact way as it appears to have been by Xiaomi when compared to how Apple used it.

 

[Zedsdead185]

Sorry about that...I guess I do owe you an apology. You are entitled to your opinion even if I don't agree with the argument. It's just that those pictures and that argument have been used multiple times by some of the biggest Apple haters in this site. Again, I don't see the similarities and I don't consider those pictures as proof that Apple copied those designs.

If you wanna talk about Apple copying then Xerox comes to mind. But then again, Jobs was just opportunistic and the people at Xerox were idiots for not patenting their discoveries.

Don't worry about it if I knew it would cause such a stir on here I wouldn't have bothered. But hey ho. thanks for the apology and more so for understanding that we both have different opinions on the matter.

I do however agree completely on the Xerox comment

 

[Bellboy, The]

Not stealing from Apple, sure. This guy has zero shame.

I'm guessing he worked for Hitler as a spokesperson in a former life. "It wasn't a *Holocaust* per se, they were going to die at some point anyway--we just helped it happen sooner and all at once."

 

[Bilbo63]

Apple can either be a company that is proud of the products it makes and secure in what market they can gain, and can innovate and be the "first" with everything they do, regardless of how often they are duplicated or copied, or Apple can be a stupid, entitled, naive, petty, jealous and insecure company that assumes they will gain more market share if they compete in the courtroom and sue every "copy-cat". Apple has to stop thinking they will capture 100% of the phone market, and instead start being happy with the 15 - 20% they have that has made them one of the richest companies on the planet.

Apple believing they are entitled to more market share if the copy-cats didn't exist is just ****ing stupid and greedy.

Just because Apple have worked very hard and are very successful is not a reason to just say, "yeah, copy our work and then immediately compete with us in the same space." that is ludicrous. Apple cannot be okay with that.

Apple are not perfect. Lord knows Steve jobs wasn't perfect. But Apple did invent the modern smartphone and turned the industry on it's ear. Blackberry admitted it in their most recent tell-all book. Google admitted that their version of Android changed drastically as soon as Apple announced the iPhone. Apple did not invent all of the tech within the phone, but they had the vision to put all of the pieces together in this fashion. Maybe that is patentable and maybe it's not – I'm not a lawyer.

Apple have been inspired by Sony, Dieter Rams and others. They've admitted that. But what Apple didn't do was clone someone else's products as soon as they were released and then immediately compete with those companies with their own designs the way that Xiaomi and Samsung have done. Hugo Barra is an absolute joke.

With the Swiss watch face issue, it was brought to Apple's attention that one of their UI designers took some liberties that stepped over the line. What did Apple do? They immediately negotiated a settlement because they were in the wrong. They didn't whine about it and try to claim that it's just a few circles with tick marks. They made it right.

Inspiration is picking up on design cues of others, then applying them on other products in your own way – often years after the original was done. This is not what is happening here.

 

[Arndroid]

Semantics. Even if I give you the benefit, his claims we're incredibly misleading which basically had, and still has, everyone fooled about what apple actually has invented. Did they invent it? No.

Has Apple actually invented anything?

To answer that question, watch this video:

Pretty sure you are using the word "inventing" wrong. Apple has "invented" an absurd amount of stuff.

 

[bladerunner2000]

Pretty sure you are using the word "inventing" wrong. Apple has "invented" an absurd amount of stuff.

Name those things.

 

[C DM]

Name those things.

Why does that matter as far as Xiaomi fairly blatantly copying Apple's stuff?

 

[BaldiMac]

Name those things.

Is this a trick question? How many would you like people to name? Can you really not think of any yourself?

 

[bladerunner2000]

Is this a trick question? How many would you like people to name? Can you really not think of any yourself?

No, I honestly CANNOT. So again;

NAME these inventions done by Apple.

 

[BaldiMac]

No, I honestly CANNOT. So again;

NAME these inventions done by Apple.

iPhone, iPod, iPad, Mac, Newton...

I just find it hard to believe that you visit this forum and haven't heard of any of these things.

 

[bladerunner2000]

iPhone, iPod, iPad, Mac, Newton...

I just find it hard to believe that you visit this forum and haven't heard of any of these things.

Those are not inventions, LMAO.

 

[C DM]

Name those things.

Lookup the patents that have been awarded to Apple and you have your answer.

 

[BaldiMac]

Those are not inventions, LMAO.

Sorry, I didn't realize that we were using your super secret personal "know-it-when-I-see-it" definition of invention. I was just going by the one in the dictionary.

What exactly would you like someone to name?

 

[bladerunner2000]

Sorry, I didn't realize that we were using your super secret personal "know-it-when-I-see-it" definition of invention. I was just going by the one in the dictionary.

What exactly would you like someone to name?

How is the iPhone an invention? Did apple invent the phone? Therefor, if apple has the Mac, does that mean they invented the computer? If they were to release the iCar, would you now call that an invention as well and claim apple invented the car?

Please... those arent inventions.

 

[mi7chy]

It doesn't matter that Apple copies others. I'm just glad iOS 9 will get Samsung's split view and PiP, Android's proper keyboard that shows lower/UPPER case keys and many others. The broken keyboard is one of the most annoying things about iOS on my iPad. Second would be lack of background multitasking that I hope is fixed in iOS 10.

 

[bladerunner2000]

It doesn't matter that Apple copies others. I'm just glad iOS 9 will get Samsung's split view and PiP, Android's proper keyboard that shows lower/UPPER case keys and many others. The broken keyboard is one of the most annoying things about iOS on my iPad. Second would be lack of background multitasking that I hope is fixed in iOS 10.

What? iOS doesn't do that?! LOL!!!

 

[C DM]

What? iOS doesn't do that?! LOL!!!

It does as of iOS 9.

Given how many things you appear to keep on getting wrong, seems like there simply isn't much weight that could be put into much of anything that you bring up.

 

[mi7chy]

What? iOS doesn't do that?! LOL!!!

Here. Educate yourself.

http://www.theverge.com/2015/6/10/8756243/ios-9-keyboard-lowercase-shift

 

[bladerunner2000]

Here. Educate yourself.

http://www.theverge.com/2015/6/10/8756243/ios-9-keyboard-lowercase-shift

Oh cool, they finally got it right. I suppose now Apple has revolutionized the keyboard, right?

Ah well, it only took them about 7 years to add this feature.

 

[mi7chy]

Oh cool, they finally got it right. I suppose now Apple has revolutionized the keyboard, right?

Ah well, it only took them about 7 years to add this feature.

I guess Apple doesn't release it until it's prime. Only thing it needs now is a number row like Samsung's keyboard which makes it much more usable for entering things like complex passwords without the hassle of switching back and forth.

 

[bladerunner2000]

I guess Apple doesn't release it until it's prime. Only thing it needs now is a number row like Samsung's keyboard which makes it much more usable for entering things like complex passwords without the hassle of switching back and forth.

Android and other OS'es have had it 'prime' for years now. I wanna know the REAL reason why Apple stagnates features like this.