He copied his design aesthetics. However, the design for the original iMac was inspired after he visited a jelly bean factory. And no, Apple have never made any of those products. You're talking about the product as a whole. I'm talking about the design and visual appeal of the said product.
Got a tip for us?
Let us know
Become a MacRumors Supporter for $50/year with no ads, ability to filter front page stories, and private forums.
Xiaomi VP Hugo Barra Defends Against Copycat Accusations in New Interview
- Thread starter MacRumors
- Start date
- Sort by reaction score
He copied his design aesthetics. However, the design for the original iMac was inspired after he visited a jelly bean factory. And no, Apple have never made any of those products. You're talking about the product as a whole. I'm talking about the design and visual appeal of the said product.
While the article and what's in question is the product as a whole, which is a good amount different. There are tangents to it all, but they are just tangents.
Uh, ok moderator. I simply responded to the person who keeps arguing that Apple never invented anything.
Apple steals ideas, technology, and UI from tons of other companies, that's a fact. In this sort of tech industry, somebody somewhere, has likely implemented the idea before. Apples overall implementation is what puts them ahead by combining multiple different ideas to make the overall product unique. The Apple ecosystem is different in the way it all connects, which is something that it did implement far better than any other company at the time. They use ideas from others to create a unique compilation. That being said, others copy from Apple and that's totally understandable in this industry
Sorry that you've seen that picture before. Be sure to send me a list of images that you have also seen so that I don't also upload them and end up hurting your feelings...
And seriously, I don't know why you picture me as so smug all the time. I wasn't trying to be clever. I just wanted to contribute. Obviously though, some people wish I'd rather just not talk. If posts like that rile you up so much then maybe you should just ignore them instead.
It's one thing to do all that, it's another thing to do nothing more than simply almost mindlessly just copy a whole product and that's it.
what one calls copying, the other calls inspired by.
its all semantics
its all semantics
Nah, there's a difference, one is one thing and the other is another. Some just might not want to pay attention to it or divert attention from it to suit their point better, but the difference is there nonetheless.
Yes but Apple would never copy an entire factory floor design, car, let alone food and sell it to babies.
Actually, the difference between copying and imitation is not semantics. For example, the android phone icon was a copy of the iOS phone icon, down to the green. People were like "well, what other color and shape could it be?" A quick google search showed hundreds if not thousands of phone icons with different colors, shapes orientations, etc.
Out of the huge universe of possible designs, android's phone icon came down right on the iOS phone icon. That's a copy, not an inspiration.
People who aren't creative might not realize there's a difference.
Out of the huge universe of possible designs, android's phone icon came down right on the iOS phone icon. That's a copy, not an inspiration.
People who aren't creative might not realize there's a difference.
Of course they didn't. But companies like Microsoft didn't strive for minimalism and were successful. If Apple hadn't chosen minimalism, would have Xiamoi? Doubt it.
Weeeell, I dunno, plenty other sites have nice, minimalist designs. I don't know how true that was before Apple got so big, but I suspect there were many if them.
On a bit of a tangent: I'm not a massive fan of Apple's minimalist design when it comes to their technical sites, such as the documentation for developers. I think they've made it far less intuitive to use than sites like the old MSDN site. Big side panels showing a hierarchical perspective on the page you're currently viewing give you an instant, intuitive understanding of where you are and how to get back to it, as well as ow to find related pages. I find Apple's site lacks this.
Part of that is designing products in a different category and in a different time, not immediately aping the design in the exact same product category right after it's released. Dieter Rams does not feel Jonny Ive has ripped him off, in fact, quite the opposite. http://www.telegraph.co.uk/technolo...Apple-has-achieved-something-I-never-did.html
Also of note, Jonny talks about and gives credit to Dieter Rams and his design ethic, talks about how it inspired him. He doesn't dismiss it and say, "well, all the products in the category look the same, everyone copies from everyone else."
Do you think if Jonny Ive was working in the same time frame as Dieter was designing for Braun and he produced products in the same categories that just took elements from Dieter's designs, that Dieter wouldn't have thought he was just a copycat?
Last edited:
When I mean smart home hub, i'm talking home automation products that have been out for +6 years like zwave, insteon, x10 that do home automation... i have been able to control all my lights, garage door, cameras, temperature, sensors, power sockets, lamps, locks from my phone for years. I use Vera and like it.
I always thought Apple missed an opportunity here not adopting these existing protocols and open the hundreds of hoe automation products out there.
Sorry about that...I guess I do owe you an apology. You are entitled to your opinion even if I don't agree with the argument. It's just that those pictures and that argument have been used multiple times by some of the biggest Apple haters in this site. Again, I don't see the similarities and I don't consider those pictures as proof that Apple copied those designs.
If you wanna talk about Apple copying then Xerox comes to mind. But then again, Jobs was just opportunistic and the people at Xerox were idiots for not patenting their discoveries.
None of these videos you have posted mean anything because they are one sided. Post a video where someone makes accusations and Apple has representatives standing right there who can rebut or fail to rebut. Presenting only one side proves nothing.
With Xerox Steve was opportunistic for sure. Xerox were in the early stages of GUI concept that was groundbreaking. Unfortunately the Xerox brass just didn't understand or appreciate what their engineers were working on. Steve understood and used that to his advantage. Ultimately the GUI concept founded at Xerox-Parc became the foundation for the original Mac OS.
It should be pointed out that Apple made a financial arrangement with Xerox and they were paid in Apple stock (the Apple haters always leave that part out). Apple didn't take Xerox's work for free.
Mind you, Apple did not wind up paying anywhere near what the tech was probably worth at the time but that was the fault of Xerox brass. The Xerox engineers understood however and some were not happy while others went on to Apple to continue their work. By the time Xerox management realized their colossal blunder it was too late.
Last edited:
I kind of expect someone's answered this, but in case not ...
I can tell you that from a financial perspective, Apple has spent a giant giant pile of cash, researching, designing, developing their products and image. They didn't do it so that someone else could reap the rewards of that effort for free.
The guy says "I just don't think we can allow a company to take ownership of things that just are how they are, right?" Before the iPhone came along, the "just how they are" for phones was unquestionably profoundly different. I don't think there's a question that Xiaomi came along and has modeled itself as a clear, high-quality, cheaper facsimile of Apple. The products, the branding, the keynote presentations, the fricking style of dress.
bladerunner2000: In the efforts of not spreading tales, the whole McDonalds 100% Beef thing is not true.
http://www.snopes.com/business/market/allbeef.asp
http://www.snopes.com/business/market/allbeef.asp
He went on to say that the accusations were the result of a bias against Chinese companies. "People couldn't bring themselves to believe a Chinese company actually could be a world innovator, could build amazingly high-quality products."
This is beautiful. Go ahead, Hugo. Play the race card. That will get you real far.
This is beautiful. Go ahead, Hugo. Play the race card. That will get you real far.
And some of them went on to create CISCO and Adobe and who knows what else. Xerox could have been the master of the universe. Ha...Xerox could have Apple, Adobe and Microsoft...all rolled up into one. Colossal blunder indeed.