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To be fair, no one forced you to buy a X. Those are the reasons I got an 8+ to replace my 6+ which Apple has graciously made slower to the point of unusability.
To be fair, judging by his comment, I’m betting he doesn’t have one and is just spouting off instead. No one makes you use Face ID, no one makes you watch videos full-screen including the notch, and my limited experience with the phone suggests it’s substantially grippier than the old metal frames.
 
And one of the most exciting features in iOS 11 is the complete breakdown of being able to reliably sync large photo libraries to your iOS device especially the iPad (any model). Instead of being able to sync an 18,000 pic library to your iPad in one session as with iOS 10.x.x, one can now do it in maybe 20 sessions if one is feeling lucky.
 
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Summary: Same stuff rehashed.
Features removed.
Prices increased.
Sales continued.
Logic bypassed.

I agree. It don't make sense. Throttled performance. Less for more. But. If you were Tim and the model still works then would you change anything either? There's you're answer.

If it ain't fixed why break the cash cow!

It's a cult-like following. Nothing is seen as wrong. Business as usual as the cult continues to buy. Look at Waco. lol
 
Yeah, it’s just too bad 2017 ended on a sour note for Apple with cooling X sales and the battery/performance throttling fiasco which wouldn’t be so bad now if they were just a little more transparent. It’s a good that Apple is taking responsibility now and hopefully they won’t do something else in the future that will erode the trust of their customers. Just be honest and transparent. Don’t leave your customers in the dark when you change the behavior of their devices negatively without saying a word. You’ll lose their confidence and trust if you force them to fumble in the dark looking for answers. Explain and offer options/alternatives if possible.
 
"Both the 10.5 and 12.9-inch iPad Pro are amazingly powerful and can serve as PC replacements with A10X Fusion chips and 4GB RAM."


Is that you, Phil?

Thought I had mentioned one of the most basic issue with that statement 2 weeks ago already in another thread.
Phil, seriously? When I can't even open a webpage like on a computer while I have already requested the desktop site?
 
As a rMB (2017) and MBPtb user, my solution was to change cables to USB-C -> whatever is at the other end, and an all-in-one Belkin Desktop Hub for the MB.

No dongles. Sure, the cost might hurt, but I see USB-C lasting for quite a while as a standard, so it only hurts once. Instead of dongles, go for new cables. It's simpler & easier.
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I disagree with many of these complaints (2, 4, 6, 7, 9). Let's take HomePod for an example: if the sound quality of Amazon Echo or Echo Plus is enough for you for music listening, HomePod will be the wrong product for you. HomePod is about music (sound quality), especially when used as a stereo pair.

And what's wrong with internal upgrades for products that already have a great design?


I can't count the times I have needed HDMI or regular USB 3.0 in the last 4 months. I can, however, count the times I needed USB-C. ZERO!

And Homepod, it will have freakin Siri!! Enough said but come on! Ask it something and you get nothing! Siri finally can understand what I'm saying, but the search results are fn useless.. How many years are they behind google now??

Now Google Home is an interesting product, and with google's voice assistance, it really adds value. Homepod may be amount sound, but can it really compare to Google Home from a utility perspective? I cringe when I have to use Siri..

Personally, Tim cook can shove siri with his 10k apple watch, and other hardware crap that he has produced. Lastly, to get back on topic, I shouldn't have my Iphone throttled when my battery is not under 80% working capacity (apple's definition of not working correctly). Apple should then advertise the processor speed is only available within the first couple of months.

I think Apple Hardware has gone down hill, and short term profits and fashion is definitely put ahead of quality, innovation, and usefulness!
 
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Most of this stuff is either a warmed-over version of the previous model, or models upgraded with high school-geek stuff. Where is the real innovation? How can it take almost a year to design a new MacPro? Your would think the world's largest capitalized company could put more resources into the MacPro. Did it reassign all the engineers who did the 2013 MacPro? The article also didn't mention that Apple had to sell LG monitors because the Thunderbolt monitor was so out of date; Apple was embarrassed to keep it on the shelves.
today's apple doesn't care about innovations as well as users, the most important for them is to harvest $, nothing else
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Is that really anything to rate Apple of? We already know they charge a premium for their products, but given the durability and build quality, you get exactly what you pay for. It's almost an expectation knowingly the quality product Apple puts out. I personally would rather pay a higher dollar amount for something I know that will last versus a cheaper product that may not meet the expectations that I would expect for longevity.
I just disagree here.
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It doesn't, nor is your wages relevant here. Your tangent is separate from mine. The reality is, they do charge a premium for the products and some of them are more expensive than others increasingly so, but it doesn't prohibit the quality of the product the consumer receives knowingly the support behind it. You either can or cannot justify the purchase or find something that meets your expectations at a cheaper price point.
many would disagree with your explanation. period
It was a substantial year:

I upgraded from iPad Pro 9.7" to 10.5", and have not regretted it.

I went from iPhone 7 (4.7") to iPhone X – well worthwhile: display size, device size, build, Face ID, dual camera, etc. iPhone 8 Plus would be too big for me, and after X, I could never go back to 4.7". The X is a sweetspot for me – now I just need to decide do I keep the Silver or Space Gray X as my daily driver.

My original Apple Watch SS (series 0) is still going strong (okay, Apple exchanged it for a new one this Spring due to a swollen battery of the 2015 purchase), yet I could not resist the Space Gray AW Series 3 – with a dark gray leather loop it's perfect, and I can use the same watch band with the S0.

Apple TV 4K – after the 11.2 update that automatically adjusts to SDR / HDR / Dolby Vision & frame-rate – is so much better than LG OLED's smart TV & apps. ATV 4K shines on LG OLED (2017 models). A perfect 4K media box.

I got both Space Gray 2017 MacBook i5/512GB and 2017 MacBook Pro 13" TouchBar i5/512GB this Christmas – and I am having a really hard time deciding which one to keep. Portability vs. a little less portability but much more power. Maybe I'll keep both. MacOS, iOS and iCloud Drive makes it so easy to keep all my devices (files) in sync (on iPad Pro, MacBook and MacBook Pro AND MacMini).

My late-2012 MacMini with 16 gigs of RAM and an SSD (upgraded myself as this model was user-upgradeable and I consider it the best MacMini ever) is still going strong – but I do hope Apple will refresh MacMini in 2018 with configurations that I feel are worth upgrading to. I got the MacBook, and MacBook Pro, to replace the aging MacMini (with Belkin's USB-C/TB dock for desktop use). MacBook is not much of an upgrade over the beefed-up 2012 MacMini speed-wise; MacBook Pro is.

Too bad HomePod did not make it for Christmas: I would have bought 2 (a pair) for my living room to work as stereo pair and one for bedroom. I hope they're available soon enough!

So: Apple did good in 2017. A lot of products I didn't necessarily need – but still wanted. And none of them have been a let-down in any way. They've all been a joy. For example the 2017 MacBook is much more than I dared to expect from it – and I can say the same of all the 2017 products I got.

That has left me excited about what Apple will present in 2018!

No other consumer electronics / computers / smartphones manufacturer provided such a new and refreshed product line as Apple in 2017. And still some people are complaining here!
some apple users will be happy with whatever you put in their hands, that's just reality :)
 
"Both the 10.5 and 12.9-inch iPad Pro are amazingly powerful and can serve as PC replacements with A10X Fusion chips and 4GB RAM."


Is that you, Phil?

Thought I had mentioned one of the most basic issue with that statement 2 weeks ago already in another thread.
You don’t need a computer. You have your Apple Watch. It can do anything. Siri can read the desktop-sites for you. isn’t this AMAZING? It is!
 
As a rMB (2017) and MBPtb user, my solution was to change cables to USB-C -> whatever is at the other end, and an all-in-one Belkin Desktop Hub for the MB.

No dongles. Sure, the cost might hurt, but I see USB-C lasting for quite a while as a standard, so it only hurts once. Instead of dongles, go for new cables. It's simpler & easier.
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I disagree with many of these complaints (2, 4, 6, 7, 9). Let's take HomePod for an example: if the sound quality of Amazon Echo or Echo Plus is enough for you for music listening, HomePod will be the wrong product for you. HomePod is about music (sound quality), especially when used as a stereo pair.

And what's wrong with internal upgrades for products that already have a great design?

What's wrong? All machines were easily upgradable before. Now they close to limit your options. It's a bad marketing.

Look at the Surface Studio. You can tilt your monitor, it is touchscreen and much better design than the iMac.
iMac design has not been changed for many many years. They are stuck on time.
Furthermore, if you are paying $5k for an iMac Pro you should be easily able to upgrade the RAM.
Somtimes you start small and you add as you need. You cannot do that in the iMac PRO...What a joke...
 
I’ve been quite pleased overall with Apple’s offerings this year.

I’ve bought the iPhone X, iPad Pro 10.5 and series 3 Apple Watch cellular. All were upgrades on older devices.
 
What's wrong? All machines were easily upgradable before. Now they close to limit your options. It's a bad marketing.

Look at the Surface Studio. You can tilt your monitor, it is touchscreen and much better design than the iMac.
iMac design has not been changed for many many years. They are stuck on time.
Furthermore, if you are paying $5k for an iMac Pro you should be easily able to upgrade the RAM.
Somtimes you start small and you add as you need. You cannot do that in the iMac PRO...What a joke...

So you're criticizing Apple for not making their machines as upgradable, but then you champion the Surface Studio, which is tied to the PC equivalent of a quad-core Mac Mini, costs $4200 for a half-way decent CPU/GPU, and can't be used with another computer as a display? That's some twisted logic right there.

You can buy a 27" Wacom Cintiq Touch for $2400, or the touch-less model (because touch isn't necessary if you mount it on a $75 Ergotron arm) for $1900. That leaves you with up to $2225 to buy/upgrade a much better spec Mac or PC to attach it to. Not to mention that you'll be able to move it between machines at will.

Plus I've demoed the Surface Studio in a Microsoft store, and it's drawing accuracy compared to a Wacom of the same size is laughable. Just try and draw a straight line with a ruler. I dare you. It's a toy, not a professional tool.
 
So you're criticizing Apple for not making their machines as upgradable, but then you champion the Surface Studio, which is tied to the PC equivalent of a quad-core Mac Mini, costs $4200 for a half-way decent CPU/GPU, and can't be used with another computer as a display? That's some twisted logic right there.

The only thing I was pointing was the design. Not any of the power or components.
The design is certainly much more interesting than the iMac. The iMac design has not been updated in a very long time. Components, yes Apple might be better. But it is sad that Apple is not leading the way in design like they use to. They definitely turned into a phone company.
 
The only thing I was pointing was the design. Not any of the power or components.
The design is certainly much more interesting than the iMac. The iMac design has not been updated in a very long time. Components, yes Apple might be better. But it is sad that Apple is not leading the way in design like they use to. They definitely turned into a phone company.

The technical details do matter, because the Surface Studio fails hard as an artist's tool compared to a 27" Wacom. Both because of the VERY inaccurate pen technology used, and because you can only ever use it with the box that comes built-in to it at its base. As an investment, it's horrible compared to the alternatives.

Design is not just about making something look cool or interesting. It's also about the user experience, and a device's ability to get tasks done. I don't exclude Apple from this criticism (touch-bar anyone?), but I see more purpose in what they do than Microsoft, who just seem to push out "interesting" but barely usable gadgets on a regular basis.
 
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