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You don't like iMessage because you don't get it. [iMessage FAQ]

lulla01 said:
i just wish they had an app like BBM, separate buddy lists and shows online/status and away messages. thats just me messages is becoming too cluttered
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I'd prefer it this way too, to be given the clear choice as to the method of communication I want to use without messing around in the settings.
 
data connection woes

What happens if we have a group chat and some of the members on the chat lose data connection? Do they just drop off the chat or revert to SMS?
 
dubnde said:
What happens if we have a group chat and some of the members on the chat lose data connection? Do they just drop off the chat or revert to SMS?
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I'm assuming it would revert back to SMS. That's part of the reason why it's all unified within one app imo
 
vebs said:
I'd prefer it this way too, to be given the clear choice as to the method of communication I want to use without messing around in the settings.
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yeah im not sure why it isnt seperate either then every message uses data regarless if its your nieghbour or some in another country, i dont believe the argueement that they wanted less clutter so they combined the 2 apps in one becasue they seperated the ipod app into 2 different ones
 
CrzyCanuck72 said:
Apple should have left iMessages off the iPad and iPod Touch and just made it an advanced iPhone-to-iPhone messaging system (like BBM). There's too much confusion and potential for missed messages when people have iPad/iPTs but not iPhones.
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That doesn't make sense. iPad/iPt users won't miss messages.
 
bmms8 said:
dubnde said:
hmm... Does SMS have group chat capabilities?
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yes it does. its available on current iOS
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This isn't entirely accurate. Currently iOS has group messaging capability, but not group chat. Example: I send a message to two people. This creates a chat group in my Messages app. If one of those two people replies to the message, it comes in under my previous messages with that person, not with the group.

Group messaging/emailing is one of the glaring weaknesses left in iOS, and one that I have hoped Apple would address ever since iOS 3.
 
waterskier2007 said:
my problem with it is that I have an iPad and iPhone. I want to use my phone number as my imessages "account/identifier" because the people who i would normally text know that number, but I would like to receive on both my iPad and iPhone so I can take advantage of the ability to resume a convo on either device (like was advertised in keynote). However, I cannot use a phone number as my PIN for iPad so this kind of stinks and the only way I can use the same account on both devices is with an email, which not many of my iOS having friends would normally know
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doesnt it bind your email, phone number, and apple id together, so messages sent to your number also go to the iPad?
 
dubnde said:
What happens if we have a group chat and some of the members on the chat lose data connection? Do they just drop off the chat or revert to SMS?
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With any iMessage, when it's sent the service will try and deliver it to the recipient for 5 minutes. At that point, the message will be automatically sent by SMS if iMessage couldn't deliver it.
 
Daveoc64 said:
With any iMessage, when it's sent the service will try and deliver it to the recipient for 5 minutes. At that point, the message will be automatically sent by SMS if iMessage couldn't deliver it.
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That's pretty smart. I haven't been able to use it yet, but I'm definitely loving it.
 
xAnthony said:
That's pretty smart. I haven't been able to use it yet, but I'm definitely loving it.
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IMO it's not that smart.

If I knew that it would fail (because I knew that the data connection at my end or the recipient's end wasn't working) then I could have sent an SMS much faster.

A conversation where every reply has a 5 minute delay because iMessage isn't working doesn't sound that smart to me.

If I'm on Wi-Fi abroad and I send a message using iMessage, it should be free - but what if it doesn't get delivered in 5 minutes? It would automatically send it as an SMS which costs me 11p ($0.18) in most countries.

As others have noted, a separate App would make much more sense.
 
maclaptop said:
The title of this thread speaks volumes about the author.

We _all know_ what they say about those who assume :)
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It's just a thread title, chief. And you're making an assumption about someone based off a thread title ;)
 
utwarreng said:
This isn't entirely accurate. Currently iOS has group messaging capability, but not group chat. Example: I send a message to two people. This creates a chat group in my Messages app. If one of those two people replies to the message, it comes in under my previous messages with that person, not with the group.

Group messaging/emailing is one of the glaring weaknesses left in iOS, and one that I have hoped Apple would address ever since iOS 3.
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Thought as much. SMS is really point-to-point and can not have a group chat. Presumably, anyone who drops out of data connection drops out of the iMessage group chat. The worrying this is I understand it will revert to sending SMS after fives minutes retry which is what I would want an option to avoid. Really I would want an option to terminate sending that message or explicitly choose which method I want to send my. I am taking on message by message basis and not just turning off iMessage completely.

I still think iMessage is a brilliant system
 
utwarreng said:
This isn't entirely accurate. Currently iOS has group messaging capability, but not group chat. Example: I send a message to two people. This creates a chat group in my Messages app. If one of those two people replies to the message, it comes in under my previous messages with that person, not with the group.

Group messaging/emailing is one of the glaring weaknesses left in iOS, and one that I have hoped Apple would address ever since iOS 3.
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The responders must also have Group Messaging enabled in their settings or else they'll respond as a single SMS/MMS (depending on their phone). If they have an iPhone with Group enabled, they will send the group message.

(iPhone group messaging is actually an MMS)
 
My apologies if this has been asked and answered already:

How does one device know that the other device has iOS 5?

After all, it just has a phone number to work with.

- Does it ask the Apple mothership to look them up in some secret iPhone database?

- Does it first send a hidden SMS to ask the other device? (my guess)

- Or... ???

Thanks!
 
kdarling said:
My apologies if this has been asked and answered already:

How does one device know that the other device has iOS 5?

After all, it just has a phone number to work with.

- Does it ask the Apple mothership to look them up in some secret iPhone database?

- Does it first send a hidden SMS to ask the other device? (my guess)

- Or... ???

Thanks!
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It detects it before hand. The 'Send' button will be green if it's going to be sent as a SMS, and blue if it's going to be sent as an iMessage.
 
kdarling said:
My apologies if this has been asked and answered already:

How does one device know that the other device has iOS 5?

After all, it just has a phone number to work with.

- Does it ask the Apple mothership to look them up in some secret iPhone database?

- Does it first send a hidden SMS to ask the other device? (my guess)

- Or... ???

Thanks!
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You select a contact in the Messages app and it will look up in Apple's database to see if any of the phone numbers or email addresses linked to that contact are registered to use iMessage. If they are, then iMessage is used. If they aren't registered, an SMS is used.
 
It is a big step in the right direction and I am interested to see how the carriers react to it.

Not going to pull me away from IM+ though, most of my friends don't have iphones and a couple don't have cell phones.
 
FSMBP said:
I've read a typical SMS is under 2KB (and that's being plenty generous). So, let's say you send 7,500 iMessages a month, that's 15MB. And that's NOT including messages you send for free over Wifi.
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a normal SMS is 160 bytes in GSM/3G (I have no idea about the SMS implementation in CDMA/Verizon)
 
kdarling said:
My apologies if this has been asked and answered already:

How does one device know that the other device has iOS 5?

After all, it just has a phone number to work with.

- Does it ask the Apple mothership to look them up in some secret iPhone database?

- Does it first send a hidden SMS to ask the other device? (my guess)

- Or... ???

Thanks!
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i suppose it'll query the Apple database.
after all, you have the option to Facetime someone during a call without that 'initiation SMS' ever having been sent
 
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