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You guys wanna know what Apple did by not allowing flash?

Your logic should apply to all companies

camelsnot said:
Flash interferes with $teve Job$ maximizing his profit in the app store.
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If companies made more money by excluding Flash, why don't all companies making mobile devices exclude Flash? Are all non-Apple companies nice, user-focused organizations that will walk away from a pile of cash just to give their users what they want?

[Hint: No].
 
The only site I've run across that I really want to see videos from that's not iPad-compatible is HBO's. Strangely, they have an "HTML5" version of the site, as well as as iPad app, but both are a complete joke and you can't watch the videos on either. Other than that, I don't miss it at all.
 
Stirolak123 said:
So if you go to ign wireless are you telling me you cn view the app show video on the top features section? Or when you hit on the ipad 2 was unveiled link your telling me, hinest to god, thst you csn view thst video in the middle of the article? Cause i must be on drugs or something cause im seeing s big black ugly screen.
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I never go to IGN, but I did so just for you. Everything seemed to play fine. I'm using plain safari and not sky fire. Which video doesn't work for you? Let me try that one. I tried a couple of the front page articles and they played fine.
 
Wirelessly posted (Mozilla/5.0 (iPhone; U; CPU iPhone OS 4_2_6 like Mac OS X; en-us) AppleWebKit/533.17.9 (KHTML, like Gecko) Version/5.0.2 Mobile/8E200 Safari/6533.18.5)

Apple has asked Adobe repeatedly to submit aversion of Flash that runs smoothly on a mobile platform and doesn't kill the battery.

I guess we're still waiting?
 
Stirolak123 said:
They paved the road for the makers of thenskyfire browser to become rich. And I mean filthy rich. Even at $5 its selling like hotcakes. And you know what, its awesome. Its not just good because it allows flash, the browser is suoer stable and super fast.
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Affiliated with them are you?
 
Stirolak123 said:
They paved the road for the makers of thenskyfire browser to become rich. And I mean filthy rich. Even at $5 its selling like hotcakes. And you know what, its awesome. Its not just good because it allows flash, the browser is suoer stable and super fast.
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Skyfire sold 300,000 the first weekend it was out, and we still get the "duh I never run into any flash sites" comments, too funny. There is quite a large demand for flash on iOS, we are not discussing if flash runs well (it does in my experience on both PC and Android, and quite decently on skyfire), we are not discussing the economy of html5 versus flash, we are discussing the unwashed masses, what they expect and what they spend their money on, anything else is just semantics for the tech geek who scrutinizes what most consumers could care less about.

I'll be the first to admit that skyfire is clunky, but it's a life saver. I can't live without my comedy central/Daily Show, and the vast majority of the tech blogs I visit have flash content (including macrumors amusingly enough).

Of course this is just a bunch of anonymous forum users uselessly bickering like old ladies among themselves (myself included). The real test will be if consumers take the hook the "other" companies are offering in specifically mentioning flash capability on their devices.
 
spinedoc77 said:
There is quite a large demand for flash on iOS, we are not discussing if flash runs well (it does in my experience on both PC and Android, and quite decently on skyfire).
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Maybe if Adobe had focussed on a top notch experience with Mac OS Steve Jobs and his little gang wouldn't be so averse to it being on iOS devices now.
 
Though I do understand Flash has its place, the best thing about no Flash on an iPad is that I miss out on all of the stupid OTP ads on SMH, News and Yahoo7 :D
 
Skyfire sales doesn't prove there is demand for Flash on iOS devices. It proves there is demand for web sites to stop using Flash.
 
SuperCachetes said:
"Learn economics?" :rolleyes:

Flash can't be that hugely desired... How much, based on your vast economic knowledge, would you estimate has been left on the table, exactly?

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Fine post! Fine post indeed....
 
Ah, I misread 'what' for 'why', my bad.

Yes, I understand that, but here's the thing: Apple doesn't care. They have more than enough money, they might loose a few sales, but it doesn't matter to them. Besides, if developers are making money they can boast about the figures in the next keynote.
 
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PatrickCocoa said:
But Stirolak123 says Apple left money on the table by not including Flash. Now you're saying Apple makes more money by not including Flash.

I'm confused. Can you anti-Apple people get together, come up with a coherent, unified story, and get back to us?
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It will take them a few days...but this is what they will come back with.

But...But...you are all brainwashed, Steve loving, fanboys!

PatrickCocoa said:
If companies made more money by excluding Flash, why don't all companies making mobile devices exclude Flash? Are all non-Apple companies nice, user-focused organizations that will walk away from a pile of cash just to give their users what they want?

[Hint: No].
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Get out of here with your logic. There's no room for logic in a discussion about Flash. :D
 
camelsnot said:
that's because you're running a Mac. Not always efficient.


Flash interferes with $teve Job$ maximizing his profit in the app store. Content must come from the app store. Angry Birds in Flash? No thanks says $teve Job$. Keep people funneling through the app store. There are a hell of alot of Flash games/videos out there which $teve doesn't want you to have access to.

It's already been shown Flash mobile isn't half as bad as $teve claims. His ego and his wallet won't allow Flash to ever come to iOS, unless of course you jailbreak and download from certain sources.
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And the presence of HTML5 keeps Shantanu Narayen, Adobe CEO, from maximizing his profit from Flash. Adobe has been stalling the standards committee on HTML5, making the work move at as slow of a pace as possible. If HTML5 emerges, where's the need for people to spend over $500 to make Flash content when they can do that for a fraction of the cost with HTML5?
 
Elweezy said:
What do you mean? Flash videos are still everywhere. It's a pain in the ass seeing a flash video on an iPad. Depressing they need to nut up and allow it.
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Flash is 98% ads, and I can do without. The rest, if I REALLY need to see it, it can wait till I get home.
I don't miss flash at ALL.
Reminds me that I don't NEED a USB port on my iPad either.

Jobs was right.
 
Some good points in here and a lot of bad ones (along with biased ones on both sides).

You guys wanna know what Apple did by not allowing flash? They killed it. It's not dead yet, but it's like a person that's been in poor health for years and is now in a vegetative state on life support.

Agreed that flash is mostly Ads, even the websites that relied mainly upon it have wisely changed due to the mobile devices that don't support it (partially or at all).

I have a laptop - it's a PC with a quad core i7 and a great GPU (GTX 460m) and I have GPU acceleration on in the flash settings. It has a good cooling system where I can hardly hear the fan. If I have a lot of tabs open I know when flash is running because the fans get louder and the back gets hotter. Then I go to my task manager and see that firefox's plugin container is taking up like arseloads of ram. That's when I click 'end task' then listen to my fans quiet down. Later on I'll see a tab where an add was with the "plugin not loaded" banner in its place. Yes flash is that bad and honestly I don't know about html 5 so I'm not going to form an opinion on it.
 
o 1.2 billion mobile phones are Flash-capable
o 70 percent of online gaming sites run Flash
o 98 percent of Internet-enabled desktops use it
o 85 percent of top 100 Web sites use Flash
o No. 1 platform for video on the Web – 75 percent of all videos use Flash, including Hulu, Disney and YouTube
o 2-3-million-person Flash developers community
o 90 percent of creative professionals have Adobe software on their desktops

I really don't see it going anywhere anytime soon though. Maybe to the next version though! lol Point is, it is still used more than half the time. It's still here and will be at least for the next couple of years. I don't really see Apple as striking a nail into the coffin.

The main thing killing Flash is HTML5, not Apple. :D


Source(s):
http://www.mobilemarketer.com/cms/opinion/columns/5980.html
http://www.flashmagazine.com/news/detail/how_many_sites_use_flash/
 
Never been a fan of Flash, and causes far too many crashes on my system for me to reconsider liking it. Also have an Android device (Nexus S) and while it has Flash, it's absolutely awful in terms of hogging resources and draining battery.

For people who want it and have a pleasant user experience with it, great. But I agree with the decision not to include it on iOS devices; I never want to see it on there.
 
Jason Beck said:
o 1.2 billion mobile phones are Flash-capable
o 70 percent of online gaming sites run Flash
o 98 percent of Internet-enabled desktops use it
o 85 percent of top 100 Web sites use Flash
o No. 1 platform for video on the Web – 75 percent of all videos use Flash, including Hulu, Disney and YouTube
o 2-3-million-person Flash developers community
o 90 percent of creative professionals have Adobe software on their desktops

I really don't see it going anywhere anytime soon though. Maybe to the next version though! lol Point is, it is still used more than half the time. It's still here and will be at least for the next couple of years. I don't really see Apple as striking a nail into the coffin.

The main thing killing Flash is HTML5, not Apple. :D


Source(s):
http://www.mobilemarketer.com/cms/opinion/columns/5980.html
http://www.flashmagazine.com/news/detail/how_many_sites_use_flash/
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The man is right.
 
Jason Beck said:
o 1.2 billion mobile phones are Flash-capable
o 70 percent of online gaming sites run Flash
o 98 percent of Internet-enabled desktops use it
o 85 percent of top 100 Web sites use Flash
o No. 1 platform for video on the Web – 75 percent of all videos use Flash, including Hulu, Disney and YouTube
o 2-3-million-person Flash developers community
o 90 percent of creative professionals have Adobe software on their desktops

I really don't see it going anywhere anytime soon though. Maybe to the next version though! lol Point is, it is still used more than half the time. It's still here and will be at least for the next couple of years. I don't really see Apple as striking a nail into the coffin.

The main thing killing Flash is HTML5, not Apple. :D


Source(s):
http://www.mobilemarketer.com/cms/opinion/columns/5980.html
http://www.flashmagazine.com/news/detail/how_many_sites_use_flash/
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Please don't introduce facts into a debate like this, it doesn't work that way. ;)
 
Jason Beck said:
1.2 billion mobile phones are Flash-capable
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I seriously have to question that number. I have an Android phone that was considered one of the fastest phone on the market prior to the wave of Tegra2 devices and it struggles to keep up with a lot of Flash stuff that's not simple animation, including movies clips. Anything with complicity of a real app? It completely kills the phone and the performance is unbearably slow.

If my phone, which was considered state of the art half a year ago, has trouble handling those Flash stuff, I wonder how many of those "1.2 billion" mobile phones are actually usable with Flash?

spinedoc77 said:
Please don't introduce facts into a debate like this, it doesn't work that way. ;)
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Fact is a funny thing. In another thread someone mentioned this "exclusive content" available only in Flash and used it as a reason why iOS should have Flash.

I went to the Flash site on my Android phone. It was absolutely unusable. Yet that's content "available exclusively on Flash" and Flash advocates will gladly use that as part of the "fact," added to the statistics.
 
HTML5 isn't a complete replacement for Adobe's Flash(TM). Why don't people understand that?
 
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