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You think maybe the new iPhone will have talk and surf?
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it is related to whatever they put in the phone because the TB is on Verizon and it can do it, So why not future phones/iPhones
dont need to search, I dont care WHAT the technology is in the TB, I just want it in the iphone
the thunderbolt uses LTE for data, and CDMA for voice like all of verizons 4g phones, so most likley no, this feature will not be on iphone5
This. Three good friends of mine work at Verizon stores. CDMA cannot do simultanous voice and data. What you are probably seeing is someone connected to wifi in addition to 3G.
Oops I see the poster above explained it.
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Yes it does, it's called SVDO and will work with current cdma networks. It's up to the phone manufacturers to implement. Looking at Qualcomm's products (the radios), it looks like SVDO is baked into the die of all of them now. Looks like the Thunderbolt is the only one I can see with it actually turned on.
Not from the US but I think the fact that the Thunderbolt can do voice and data on a CDMA network is due to the LTE chip. That doesn't mean 4G has to be on, it just means the phone has another chip there to process data while in a call (I read something like that here: http://usamaisawake.wordpress.com/2011/04/30/htc-thunderbolt-does-voice-data-on-verizon-3g/ I'm not just pulling it out of my ass).
SVDO support on the Verizon network is still spotty. Though the newest CDMA radio chipsets will support it, operation will more than double the bandwidth used. If you are in a strong network area it works, but in a weak coverage area you have no chance of success.
It's a technology that was developed to preserve the investment in the CDMA infrastructure while waiting for a lower power LTE chipset...
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It's a technology that was developed to preserve the investment in the CDMA infrastructure while waiting for a lower power LTE chipset...
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ahhhhhhhhhh doesnt anyone ****ing read the postings, LTE HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH IT!!!!!!!!!!
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yeah, even the verizon reps are clueless to how it works, LTE and WIFI are both off and the Thunderbolt CAN do it, Read some of the previous threads on how. Maybe we should call your 3 good friends and school them a little
Oh my freaking God. How the heck can people STILL not get this?!?! I even linked to a definition of SVDO!
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The Thunderbolt supports SVDO, which allows it to do voice and data at the same time over 3G (aka EV/DO). This has NOTHING to do with LTE! Yes, the Thunderbolt can do voice and data over 4G (aka LTE) at the same time, which so far all Verizon 4G phones can do. But it's not the same thing.
At this point I'm tempted to put up a damned Youtube video of my Thunderbolt making a call during a large file download or something. Wait, somebody else did it!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vJyvZgyx93Q
Please watch the video and acknowledge that you folks are wrong. I'm seriously getting tired of this foolishness.
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The Thunderbolt supports SVDO, which allows it to do voice and data at the same time over 3G (aka EV/DO). This has NOTHING to do with LTE! Yes, the Thunderbolt can do voice and data over 4G (aka LTE) at the same time, which so far all Verizon 4G phones can do. But it's not the same thing.
At this point I'm tempted to put up a damned Youtube video of my Thunderbolt making a call during a large file download or something. Wait, somebody else did it!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vJyvZgyx93Q
Please watch the video and acknowledge that you folks are wrong. I'm seriously getting tired of this foolishness.
To answer the OP's question, I don't think the new VZW iPhone will allow talk and surf. I had with AT&T and now that I'm with VZW I don't seem to miss it. That's just me.
To the OP, while people are wrong there is no need to call people asses. Calm yourself down, it's just the internet.
To the OP, while people are wrong there is no need to call people asses. Calm yourself down, it's just the internet.
The few people who responded with SVDO are correct.
It's implemented on the phone by making separate connections to both the 1xRTT Voice and EVDO 3G Data channels. (It does not share the data channel / bandwidth with voice as does GSM 3G or VoIP.)
All the other responses claiming it's not possible, or that it relies on having LTE, or needs network changes (it's not related to 1X Advanced like some bloggers think) are incorrect.
This thread is full of some epic nerd rage. Good grief! smh
On topic: SVDO is "meh". Apple seems to treat its VZW users like red-headed step children (re: software updates and such), and might not have any qualms about including a *****ty "talk and surf" experience on the next VZW iPhone. That said, it makes more sense to future-proof the phone (if only for the next year) and have it LTE-capable. LTE ought to be quite a bit more widespread throughout next year and frankly I'll be amazed if this year's device isn't ready for it.
On topic: SVDO is "meh". Apple seems to treat its VZW users like red-headed step children (re: software updates and such), and might not have any qualms about including a *****ty "talk and surf" experience on the next VZW iPhone. That said, it makes more sense to future-proof the phone (if only for the next year) and have it LTE-capable. LTE ought to be quite a bit more widespread throughout next year and frankly I'll be amazed if this year's device isn't ready for it.
oh ok, so it's ok for everyone to rip me that i have no clue what I am talking about and get a clue and blah blah blah, even though I was RIGHT, Yet I cannot respond and say that they were being asses, yeah, seems totally fair
Even though they were calling the OP an idiot in their posts. I'm going to straight up say it. They were acting just like children on the playground.
The only way this would work is with SVDO. But it's not something manufacturers really want to throw in every phone. It kills battery life and performance. Keep that crap out of my iPhone.
I agree that it sucks, a lot of people on this thread came in and answered a question they didn't know incorrectly and VERY rudely. They really need to check their own attitudes (and why were they answering a question they dind't know the answer to in the first place??)
OP, you can reply harshly, but according to forum rules you cannot insult them. The usage of the term previoiusly mentioned is grounds for being banned or at least put in Time-Out on this forum. If I were you (and if you still can) I'd go edit/remove the insult from your post.
You're very wrong. It's called SVDO. It allows a voice and data connection the CDMA network simultaneously. It's just up to the phone manufactures to implement the chip.
Not really.
Except for the times that the owner is on a call and transferring data at the same time, the feature is not even being used.
One difference between SVDO and UMTS is that SVDO can't accidentally drop the voice call when adding on data, since the channels are still kept separate.
With UMTS, if you start to use data while on a voice call, a data connection has to be created (same as with SVDO) and then the GSM voice connection has to be dropped and voice is switched over inside the phone to share the data connection. If the data connection gets dropped, so does the voice.
(This is one reason why people sometimes get mysterious call drops on the iPhone, because in the background without them knowing about it, an app or the OS needs to do a little background data transfer.)
Their is a special chip in it that allows simultaneous talk and data and how could you even call VZ a **** network being on ATT.
How am I very wrong? I said almost exactly what you did.
And to kdarling:
Let me rephrase; i didn't necessarily mean it was going to eat battery like a 4G chip or anything, but in my experience with the Thunderbolt, (friends have it) even with 4G turned off, the data and voice simultaneously still eats more battery.
Having two basebands chips will do that to you, I presume.
That said, im stuck on AT&T till VZW gets their crap together. Simultaneous voice and data is not something I can live without on my phone. I use it multiple times every day.
Yep, during the times that the person is using voice + data, it would use more battery. For me, that would probably be just minutes a day, at most. For others, could be hours.
Likewise, a GSM phone uses more battery in the same circumstances (because it's transceiving more data on the data channel), albeit not as much.
Likewise, higher speed data connections on either use more battery.
There's just no such thing as a free lunch, anywhere