Your iPhone is tracking you!

Discussion in 'iPhone' started by Stealthipad, Apr 20, 2011.

  1. Apple 26.2 Contributor

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    Awesome. I think.

    Apple is no different than Google when it comes to certain things.
     
  2. wingnut8 macrumors 65816

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    You are such an important person that they care where you are.
     
  3. Stealthipad thread starter macrumors 68040

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    No I use a Blackberry!:p
     
  4. LucasG macrumors regular

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    You guys do miss the point of this. It's not to track you. They can't track you, they can steal your device and see where you've been going to, etc. but it's not like they have a database collecting your movements to then do a conspiracy against all you important people. :rolleyes:
     
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  6. xAnthony macrumors 65816

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    Of course you do. You're the worlds most amazing man. -The only man on this planet that has never once experienced a crash on his blackberry. (In the 10 years he claims he's been using one for.)

    At least that's what you said in a previous post.
     
  7. MEJHarrison macrumors 6502a

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    I'm absolutely fine with it tracking me. How flattering to think I'm so important that Apple wants to know where I've been. :D

    But seriously, there's no need. If anyone really wants to know where I go and how long I stay there, I'm more than happy to tell them. They can even ride along with me during my travels. I can't imagine where I could possibly go that I wouldn't some someone to know about (and yes, I'm including the porn store).
     
  8. scaredpoet macrumors 604

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    I like how people refer to "Mr Jobs." Because you know, Steve, personally is pouring over the GPS logs of 108 milllion+ iPhone users. he's THAT obsessed about you, and you're THAT important to him. :rolleyes:

    Apple SHOULD be chastised for being careless with this data, but if you're getting all hopping mad that Apple is invading your privacy, well, why are you even ON a cell network to begin with? AT&T, Verizon, Sprint and all the others have been tracking your location, your phone logs, and your text message activity for WAY longer... and they don't need a log file on your iPhone to do that.
     
  9. BriChi macrumors 6502

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    Do most people really care, I know I don't. So Apple either knows where I have been or if the phone is stolen, the person can findo out where I have been, WOW HOW EXCITING FOR THEM

    work
    home
    work
    home
    club
    home
    7-11
    home
    bar

    Yup, thats pretty much it, feel free to follow me around :)
     
  10. Stealthipad thread starter macrumors 68040

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    Kinda makes you sound jealous:p
     
  11. iApples macrumors 65816

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    Indeed it does make him seem jealous ahaha. :p
     
  12. Apple OC macrumors 68040

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    seems like a feature that has yet to be fully explained ... could be useful for tracking felons ... however IMO it could also put others in danger (such as being used by a violent stalker)

    Personally I do not care who is tracking my phones whereabouts ... I am curious what the purpose of it really is? :cool:
     
  13. Nebrie macrumors 6502a

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    I found this insightful post on reddit:

    I figure this thread is as good a place as any to brain dump on this. I went to WWDC last year where the new Core Location system was discussed in great detail. If you went as well, or have the videos, look at the video for session 115, "Using Core Location in iOS". Skip to around 13:45 for the discussion of "Course Cell Positioning" where they discuss the cache in detail.

    The purpose of this is offline GPS. Normally, each cell tower has an identifier and Core Location sends that identifier to Apple and asks for the lat/lon for that tower. This requires a data connection, and the use of data. Since cell towers don't move, however, it's inefficient to keep going back to Apple for that information so they cache it. Now if a tower appears with the same ID as the cache, tada! you have a cache hit and a faster fix with no data use. Which also means you can get a "course location" (as in rough) if you are near known towers and don't have a data connection.

    That's all this is. It's a cache of identifiers (cell and wifi), locations, and their age (it's a cache, after all). Someone made the decision to never clean it out so they would have more and more information about those GPS "assists" (you know, A-GPS) and so they'd use less and less power and data over time for the places you frequent. It's a great idea, technically.

    Practically, yes, you can track location over time. The file is readable only by root and you're free to encrypt your backups for now. I'm sure Apple will either encrypt the file or truncate the data in a future update (I would prefer encryption as I think it's technically sound, but I know many will disagree). I'm also sure someone is considering a toggle for the feature or a button to clear the database. Both are great ideas.

    This isn't nefarious, this isn't being sent anywhere, and this isn't as bad as everyone is making it. This is a real feature with a major oversight. That's it.
     
  14. cookiesnfooty macrumors 6502

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    It is tracking cell towers you've being connected to not YOUR locations the data would not be able to track your specific location.
     
  15. LinMac macrumors 65816

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    I stopped reading when I saw Fox News. This is a sensationalized nonissue like most of the "news" coming out of their network.
     
  16. decafjava macrumors 68000

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    Do you have a link for this info? Very useful.
     
  17. Stealthipad, Apr 21, 2011
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    I know most of the fan boys do not see any harm is your phone recording and storing this information but our government has already got every carrier keeping these records for a period of time for law enforcement.

    The whole point of this is that Apple is being deceptive.:eek: Most think if they turn off location services that all is good. Here even if you turn off location services your phone is still recording and storing where you have been and when you were there. This info is stored for over a year and downloaded into iTunes for a reason. Sorry but alarms go off for me:(

    At some point Apple has to be using this information for something as this software was not accidentally put on our phones, it was put on their for Apple's use.

    I just think that Apple owes their customer base an explanation and the option to OPT OUT!

    For the fan boys who think that ANYTHING Apple does is OK, just relax and don't worry about it. The "Nanny State" and our government will take care of everything. Just puff on another number listen to your Tunes don't worry about anything.:eek:

    You need to look again as it will be quite accurate! Have you downloaded the software and looked at what you phones is telling you? It is NOT just telling what tower your happened to drive by!:eek:

    You need to step out of the box and watch all news. If you are just looking at what ABC, NBC and CBS is telling you then you do not know the whole story. Try looking at all of it and then filtering out the facts. None of them are perfect but filtering out Fox just because it is Fox will leave you without the tools to think for yourself!:)

    Are you sure of this?

    How could you be sure?
     
  18. Phil A. Moderator

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    I'm not particularly happy about anything tracking my location without my knowing and I certainly don't buy into the "If you've done nothing wrong" school of thought because that's the start of a long and slippery slope of civil liberty erosion.

    However, looking at my data shows it to be far from accurate: It's over 100 miles out in a lot of instances, including showing locations I haven't been to since I got my iPad / iPhone.

    If I was to believe the data, my iPad has a life of its own and has going to remote parts of the UK for the last month ;)

    Personally, I'd like to know why Apple is creating this database and I'd rather it wasn't on my phone but it won't stop me using it
     
  19. ajohnson253 macrumors 68000

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    You guys are really freakin out. Hah look around.
     
  20. decafjava macrumors 68000

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    @ Stealthipad I DON'T think it's ok-and I believe that we should have been told. Apple gets no pass from me-and you will agree other companies and other brands of smart or even dumb phones could do the same thing. If it is just for GPS purposes as the post says we should be told and be able to opt out if we choose.

    I like the gps feature and apps that use it (like around me and a Postoffice app for example). There should be some reasonable protection and most importantly there should be transparency. ;)
     
  21. eawmp1 macrumors 601

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    Why does this surpise you? You are carrying a device constantly connecting to a communications network. If Find My Phone and the authorities can triangulate your position, just because Apple stores this data in a file, this worries you?

    Turn in your iPhone, cut up your credit cards, and move to an unelectrifed shack in Montana.

    And by the way, prove to me other smartphones DON'T do this.
     
  22. Stealthipad thread starter macrumors 68040

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    You are correct and if they do, we are all getting ready to find out!:eek:

    Apple will be the first to tell us if the other phone makers are doing the same!

    I would love to hear RIM describe to me WHY they have been recording this same information!
     
  23. JASApplications macrumors 65816

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    Why are people so surprised about Apple tracking the iPhone? How did you think Find my iPhone worked?
     

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