Lol.. You are probably right about all those dongles being needed but one could actually get away with plugging one of those into one of these of which I have.
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YouTuber Claims 15-Inch MacBook Pro With Upgraded Core i9 Chip is Severely Throttled Due to Thermal Issues
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Lol.. You are probably right about all those dongles being needed but one could actually get away with plugging one of those into one of these of which I have.
This is also an issue in the iPad Pro lineup where the OS throttles the CPU and dims the display due to overheating. It's not clear if it's the battery, the CPU or the GPU, since iOS prohibits temperature readings. I don't think the CPU on an iPad Pro actually has a thermometer (when the iPad overheats, I believe it is using the temperature reading from the battery).
The overheating on iOS is noticeable on games or apps that push the upper limits of the CPU, or heavily utilize the GPU. The screen will dim and the frame rate will become a bit more choppy because it switches to the less powerful cores. Additionally, the battery on the iPad Pro cannot charge as fast as some applications demand power, which is an entirely different issue, but equally as frustrating.
That said, you have a 2.38 GHz, 3-core chip on an super thin, battery operated device that lasts 10 hours.
As for the MacBook Pro...
You could always buy a cooling system for when you use your MacBook Pro at home or work. That is more or less the freezer demonstration shown in the video.
I think the reason we're reaching the limits of the MacBook Pro design is less to do with the form factor and more to do with consumer preference.
Additionally, the micro architecture of the Intel chips reduce power consumption which also reduce heat and requires less power. While the newer 2.3 GHz Core i5 chips let you run on battery for 10 hours (remember the 2 hour laptop battery times?) it has been a marginal improvement on single core performance each year. So you paid $3,000 for a laptop that lasts 10 hours instead of 5 hours (2012 - 2018).
If you're doing light work, that's a huge improvement.
Since micro architecture technology takes years to develop (it's down to 9mm), consumers are complaining about clock speeds and want to see it double to 4.5 GHz.
The tradeoff of smaller micro architecture comes at a cost to processing power, where we're seeing the faster chips throttled due to overheating, which ultimately keeps the laptop running longer.
To summarize, Apple could make the fan louder or lower the runtime on battery to improve the CPU performance.
I'm not sure I would trade battery runtimes for a faster machine, given that you can cool the unit yourself if you need the extra processing power.
The overheating on iOS is noticeable on games or apps that push the upper limits of the CPU, or heavily utilize the GPU. The screen will dim and the frame rate will become a bit more choppy because it switches to the less powerful cores. Additionally, the battery on the iPad Pro cannot charge as fast as some applications demand power, which is an entirely different issue, but equally as frustrating.
That said, you have a 2.38 GHz, 3-core chip on an super thin, battery operated device that lasts 10 hours.
As for the MacBook Pro...
You could always buy a cooling system for when you use your MacBook Pro at home or work. That is more or less the freezer demonstration shown in the video.
I think the reason we're reaching the limits of the MacBook Pro design is less to do with the form factor and more to do with consumer preference.
- Everyone used to complain about loud fans
- The main benefit of SSD, aside from speed, was that it was super quite
- They don't use DVD drives anymore for the noise reasons as well
Additionally, the micro architecture of the Intel chips reduce power consumption which also reduce heat and requires less power. While the newer 2.3 GHz Core i5 chips let you run on battery for 10 hours (remember the 2 hour laptop battery times?) it has been a marginal improvement on single core performance each year. So you paid $3,000 for a laptop that lasts 10 hours instead of 5 hours (2012 - 2018).
If you're doing light work, that's a huge improvement.
Since micro architecture technology takes years to develop (it's down to 9mm), consumers are complaining about clock speeds and want to see it double to 4.5 GHz.
The tradeoff of smaller micro architecture comes at a cost to processing power, where we're seeing the faster chips throttled due to overheating, which ultimately keeps the laptop running longer.
To summarize, Apple could make the fan louder or lower the runtime on battery to improve the CPU performance.
I'm not sure I would trade battery runtimes for a faster machine, given that you can cool the unit yourself if you need the extra processing power.
What we learned from thin design:
1. Horrible cooling severely compromising performance in real world use
2. Fragile keyboard, keys may stop working at any time
3. Soldered SSD, your $2000+ machine is disposable if your storage needs should ever change.
1. Horrible cooling severely compromising performance in real world use
2. Fragile keyboard, keys may stop working at any time
3. Soldered SSD, your $2000+ machine is disposable if your storage needs should ever change.
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The RAM is soldered too, so that can't be upgraded either.
Is this something that will only be noticeable when doing a long task like video rendering? I've just ordered one with the i9. I'll mostly be using it for Photoshop and Lightroom. Multiple 30 megapixel images open at once in photoshop. Is it likely to throttle to that extent in Photoshop?
Welp... the new Macbook Pro is here... and it has problems.
Can someone point me to the "Waiting for 2019 Macbook Pro" thread?
Can someone point me to the "Waiting for 2019 Macbook Pro" thread?
These throttling results were experienced on laptop running on power, not on battery.
You’ll probably be fine, it’s more of an issue with sustained cpu loads, in your case as long as you don’t need to run some complex Photoshop filter that takes several minutes to run, you won’t have much sustained cpu load so it shouldn’t get as warm to trigger throttling.
Anything that makes makes your CPU hit 100% for more than 3-5 minutes and you will be hit hard by the CPU throttling. Anything less and you should be good - That being said, the i7 is most likely a better/safer choice for you as it stands right now.
It's not only one data point, there's another video where 2017 MacBook Pro renders Final Cut significantly faster than 2017 (and even boots up faster). We'll have to wait and see the actual reviews, this so far were all first views and previews, but I was already doubting that i9 sounds too good to be true.
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I find it funny how people here call out Dave Lee, a very well known and respected Youtuber who puts a lot of time into solid research. I've been watching him since quite some time and he's surely not a "Random Youtuber". He always actually liked and recommended Apple laptops.
Funnily enough Notebookcheck just released a preview of the new 13" MBP and it suffers from severe throttling too. This should really surprise nobody who knows how bad of a job Apple is doing even with their thermal paste in their past products. But I guess some people here would rather blame half of the internet than admit that a product may have it's problems... and this is the problem why Apple always gets away with it in the end...
https://www.notebookcheck.com/Test-Apple-MacBook-Pro-13-2018-Touch-Bar-i5-Laptop.316002.0.html
Funnily enough Notebookcheck just released a preview of the new 13" MBP and it suffers from severe throttling too. This should really surprise nobody who knows how bad of a job Apple is doing even with their thermal paste in their past products. But I guess some people here would rather blame half of the internet than admit that a product may have it's problems... and this is the problem why Apple always gets away with it in the end...
https://www.notebookcheck.com/Test-Apple-MacBook-Pro-13-2018-Touch-Bar-i5-Laptop.316002.0.html
You hypothetically could toggle macOS to change the CPU usage depending on whether the device is running on battery or a power supply.
I don't see that option in the preferences on macOS High Sierra under Energy Saver, so perhaps it's something macOS Mojave can fix.
If you have an old Android device, or a Windows machine, you can download software to overclock the CPU and see for yourself. I've experimented with overclocking Android chips and you rapidly lose battery power. If the chip has a maximum clock speed of 1.7 GHz, but is under-clocked to 1.5 GHz by the manufacturer, running the CPU at 1.7 GHz greatly affects your battery even though it is designed as a 1.7 GHz chip.
My guess is that Apple throttled the CPU on macOS High Sierra to improve battery performance.
Also, I believe he was using battery mode for the freezer experiment. I didn't see the power connected (which probably wouldn't be a good idea.)
I mean it makes sense - if that SW is optimized for Win, why the hell would someone use it on Mac and then bitch about it? My friend is making 3D visualizations of architecture and he solely uses Windows PC for it. He said that although he would like a Mac, he will not buy it because there is no great 3D rendering engine for it. Instead of complaining and whining he went for something which is good for him and he is satisfied.
Hardly a surprise.
Thermal issues or throttling are nothing new to recent Apple hardware. These are fundamental design flaws and completely unacceptable.
Customers are being burned. Literally.
Thermal issues or throttling are nothing new to recent Apple hardware. These are fundamental design flaws and completely unacceptable.
Customers are being burned. Literally.
Claiming that Dave2D is a random guy ist just beyond...fanboyism.
Just acknowledge that Apple likely messed up - again.
Yeah, that’s pretty much my takeaway after observing several years of tech you tubers. Those using Macs typically do so for Final Cut Pro.
I think that was Apple’s intent all along when they released Final Cut Pro X. Seems Apple decided that the future of movies was not Steven Spielberg but Casey Neistat. And that all these “hobbyists” on YouTube would be the future market for FCPX.
How have they messed up if they are still selling well?
The problem everyone has here is perspective. Even if we highlighted everyone who has a bad experience with these products it’s a drop in the ocean compared to the amount of people who have bought these machines and lived happily ever after.
And even if these machines don’t work properly for some Apple still have the best after sales support in the business. That’s why you buy them and put up with certain things. Try and get other laptop companies to fix your stuff or even look at an issue and see how far you get. Apple have stores in nearly every major city.
People just moan because life is a soap opera and moaning is just like watching another episode.
Not criticizing the YouTuber or his testing methodology, but I would say people who need maximum performance from their hardware shouldn't be buying systems that have to worry so much about size/weight/power consumption.
Maybe people (especially Apple) can accept there sometimes is no replacement for a good desktop tower.
Maybe people (especially Apple) can accept there sometimes is no replacement for a good desktop tower.
This is not a bad PR, this is literally what testing and using a professional product should look like. The "bad PR" will end when Apple stops severely cutting corner on their products.
Yes, ive been following dave in youtube since 2016 and his reviews are awesome. He knows his stuff.