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YouTuber Claims 15-Inch MacBook Pro With Upgraded Core i9 Chip is Severely Throttled Due to Thermal Issues
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What's "pathetic" about the display and what kind of person "laughs" at someone else's computer hardware?
It's just... yeah, ok. You do you
I do. Me. Usually while pointing my finger at the object in question.
Thanks for the clarification, but what were you talking about that was freezing?
Both are nonsense. Apple can’t be incompetent and of course they are trying. The truth is always more complex than can be seen from the outside.
I’m not even ready to say there’s a confirmed issue that can’t be solved.
What are you, like 10 years old? I can't honestly take this post seriously.It's just... yeah, ok. You do you
I do. Me. Usually while pointing my finger at the object in question.
It's just... yeah, ok. You do you
Any other worthless gems you want to share?
So you're an elitist snob?
A few days ago I explained in one of my threads that you should not buy the i9 nor the 4TB SSD. You will automatically save about $4K. You are not going to notice a performance difference between i9 and i7. Buy the best 15" i7 MBP with a 1TB or 2TB SSD and 32GB. Use that money to fly to Bangkok and well, you know.
I think there's probably some legal issues in suggesting Apple hardware on a forum, so to make it clear, the dock idea actually exists for other products. It's merely a suggestion for the MacBook Pro line.
For instance, the Nintendo Switch utilizes a dock for the same exact purposes:
So a Macbook Pro dock would be following a trend established by already successful hardware.
Additionally, Apple has a history of creating docks for its products:
https://www.apple.com/shop/product/MGRM2AM/A/iphone-lightning-dock-white
To suggest that the dock concept be extended to the MacBook Pro line, which independently has adopted technologies to support an eGPU prior to this post, is a logical observation of the technology's evolution.
For instance, the Nintendo Switch utilizes a dock for the same exact purposes:
So a Macbook Pro dock would be following a trend established by already successful hardware.
Additionally, Apple has a history of creating docks for its products:
https://www.apple.com/shop/product/MGRM2AM/A/iphone-lightning-dock-white
To suggest that the dock concept be extended to the MacBook Pro line, which independently has adopted technologies to support an eGPU prior to this post, is a logical observation of the technology's evolution.
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You keep defending Apple with vague statements. Please enlighten us all with what the truth actually is. I'm sure most of us are college educated. Some of us have even taken economics and engineering courses, and have even worked for large organizations so we can handle the complexities of the truth. So please, tell us what is really going on since the simplest answers are pure nonsense.
Keep in mind that Apple is not at fault for throttling during rendering. If an application uses 100% CPU, it's obviously the application at fault and not optimizing for Apple hardware. Apple (FCP X), Avid, and Adobe have absolutely no idea how to render graphics on Apple systems.
Sarcasm aside... the person who said this has no software engineering professional background, but regardless of that fact, their rationalization can only be 100% correct.
I was just teasing you. Why so serious? (get it, cause you kinda look like the Joker?)
Nvm, I'll stop now
Nvm, I'll stop now
- Don’t have any fun
- Don’t enjoy anything. Doubly so if it’s made by Apple
- Always pretend to never have heard of any popstar. The less likely that is, the better
- If anyone says anything negative about Android or Windows, even presented as an opinion, be sure to hound them
- Always remember to insult the intelligence of anyone who disagrees with you. It’s the done thing
Enjoy
Ok, now that makes sense. I guess you learned the hard way to never have any unused external (or internal) hardware connected when installing an OS, especially a drive with an unrecognized file system. Best thing to do is to disconnect everything but the internal drive for which you are installing the OS on, to include external USB devices. Once the OS is installed, then connect your other drives/devices and hopefully the OS will recognize and configure them. This happens with Linux also, though Linux can recognize a lot more file systems than both Windows and MacOS. This also keeps the newly installed OS from screwing up things you don't want it to screw up. Only exceptions would be if you are trying to set up a dual boot system. However, you should read up on how to properly set up your two OSes in a dual boot before you do it.
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I would say that statement was from a 12-13 year old boy who just learned what puberty was.One with a sense of humour though
Now here's a 10 year old.
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The operating system is responsible for providing a layer/interface between the application and the computer's hardware. An application should not talk directly to the CPU, the operating system should allocate CPU resources to the application as need. The same with throttling the CPU. The OS tells the CPU to throttle, not an (normal) application. It is most definitely Apple's fault for the CPU throttling, since MacOS controls the hardware.
I understand what you are trying to say, but what you are actually saying is wrong. Even if an application requires the use of 100% CPU (which, BTW, no application does unless there is a SERIOUS bug), it is the OS that decides whether or not to allocate it to the application. Here is a direct quote from Wikipedia if you don't believe me:
"The operating system provides an interface between an application program and the computer hardware, so that an application program can interact with the hardware only by obeying rules and procedures programmed into the operating system. The operating system is also a set of services which simplify development and execution of application programs. Executing an application program involves the creation of a process by the operating system kernel which assigns memory space and other resources, establishes a priority for the process in multi-tasking systems, loads program binary code into memory, and initiates execution of the application program which then interacts with the user and with hardware devices."
I like how you’re too blind to notice 2 tests on the first post, not to mention countless ones in this topic...
Heck, I already ran out of popcorn & there are 24 more pages of comments left
Source?
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It's just... yeah, ok. You do you
aka children.
Not really, even notoriously low quality hardware OEMs are putting out more competently designed gear than apple are in the notebook space today.
This isn't the only issue with new machines from apple (in general).
- Lack of upgradability
- lack of memory capacity
- lack of high end GPU options
- promoting thunderbolt as your expansion route then basically putting out no first party thunderbolt peripherals to do said expansion for 6-7 years
- thermal throttling on any of the high end machines for the past few years
- bad, high return rate keyboard that a large number of people dislike to use even if it doesn't fail
- mandatory touch-bar (with cost increase), gimping any machine that doesn't use it
- priority of style over performance (iMac Pro, Mac Pro, current Macbook Pros in general)
It is not this hard. They had workable designs for their Mac Pro and Macbook Pro lines. The form factors were fine for those market segments. All they needed to do was perhaps make minor changes to the cooling, and use the space freed up by smaller component designs for more battery.
But they went chasing thin and light or small form factor on machines where this is not really relevant, to the detriment of cooling and processing power. It's not like Apple started out behind. They had a lead and they didn't just sit still, they went backwards relative to the market.
If you want a high end mobile "workstation" for example, you can order a PC based notebook with anything up to dual geforce 1080s in it. Sure the case won't be as nice, but the keyboard will work and the performance will blow anything apple has (even their iMac Pro, on GPU accelerated tasks) into the weeds.
Two things
1) apple screwed up, shouldve known that these chips would throttle hard for pro users
2) 90% of you guys are not pro users/even interested in getting the i9.
1) apple screwed up, shouldve known that these chips would throttle hard for pro users
2) 90% of you guys are not pro users/even interested in getting the i9.
Well, a lot of thin laptops with those processors have some thermal issues, which is like a tax for having thin laptop. But it of course doesn’t mean it's ok. I always think where are the limits of changing dimensions of anything. You know like "what is the max. thinness that won't make the phone uncomfortable in your hand". And I think that we might reached / crossed the limit of current PRO processor. Or maybe it's because manufacturers are just focusing on other things, mostly those you can see in the first place. I'm quite surprised that Apple just put the i9 into same "old" chassis. I think this MBP update was not properly planned, Apple might just realized that almost any other laptop already have the 8th gen CPUs and the pressure from customers was really big. Too bad, hope this bad PR will make Apple try harder.
Also, I know people get confused a lot because it seems like the majority of people who love apple are video editors. But you got to wonder if Apple defines pro as someone who uses their CPU at 100% for sustained periods of time. Again, Apple screwed up, but it's not hard to imagine that Pro encompasses a LOT of things. It just means professional.
I'm a professional who enjoys apple products and will never use 100% of my CPU for a sustained period. Am I not allowed to buy the macbook pro because I'm not a professional? I like thin and light and good build quality. Should my work refuse me a macbook pro?
Fact of the matter is apple is taking advantage of that fact. THey are designing for who buys. They made one small step towards professional use-case (in this case screwed up), but I find it odd that people attack apple for focusing on design. That's what sold Apple computers for YEARS. "Thin and light" seems like a dirty word but it sells. Sorry about that.
Makes me feel like you guys must be new Apple fans. People who have bought apple computers have had this frustration for sometime. Wanting a Nvidia Graphics chip has been a request for years.
I'm a professional who enjoys apple products and will never use 100% of my CPU for a sustained period. Am I not allowed to buy the macbook pro because I'm not a professional? I like thin and light and good build quality. Should my work refuse me a macbook pro?
Fact of the matter is apple is taking advantage of that fact. THey are designing for who buys. They made one small step towards professional use-case (in this case screwed up), but I find it odd that people attack apple for focusing on design. That's what sold Apple computers for YEARS. "Thin and light" seems like a dirty word but it sells. Sorry about that.
Makes me feel like you guys must be new Apple fans. People who have bought apple computers have had this frustration for sometime. Wanting a Nvidia Graphics chip has been a request for years.
Yes, they should have known, they should have had a fix before the reviews.
Pfft! Most people 'pros' here or 'pros' that dare to use a laptop when they should be using a workstation... are not real 'pros' either... In fact a REAL 'pro' would be complaining that anything less than a nVidia Titan V is a toy... and the nVidia Titan V is still too slow. Anything less than a dual-Xeon 56 core beast with 1.5TB of ECC DDR4 just won't cut it. In fact any 'pro' that does not whine and complain constantly - is just not a 'pro'.
I find this whole last few months of negative apple news fascinating. Apple has a HUGE or did, R&D budget. They employed some of the most ground breaking engineers and coders. They do everything in house from the OS to the design of every single goddamn piece of their hardware. Apple die hard’s can’t get it through their skulls. You can blame Intel, you can say it was the “whiner” crowd demanding big updates so Apple “rushed” to make them happy, you can blame everyone and call ALL of the pc evidence junk and upcropping evidence that it is happening inmacs a lie. You can claim Apple just didn’t know better. Right.
Right now Apple has nothing left. They slammed this i9 into a preexisting housing, that already failed at providing consistent pro level production performance. They have not redesigned anything, they haven’t even redesigned the wheel. They don’t have anything left. Face it, they have become a boutique media company that sells consumption devices. Very very very expensive consumption devices. Look at the internals of these computers. Look at the iPads, the MacBooks. Unless they very significantly change things up or do some seriously dynamic reengineering ain’t nothing gonna get better. And that sucks. DD
Right now Apple has nothing left. They slammed this i9 into a preexisting housing, that already failed at providing consistent pro level production performance. They have not redesigned anything, they haven’t even redesigned the wheel. They don’t have anything left. Face it, they have become a boutique media company that sells consumption devices. Very very very expensive consumption devices. Look at the internals of these computers. Look at the iPads, the MacBooks. Unless they very significantly change things up or do some seriously dynamic reengineering ain’t nothing gonna get better. And that sucks. DD