The i9 has the same thermal output as the top processor in the 2017 model. If you believe the i9 is too hot then you have to believe the top of the line i7 in the 2017 was too.
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YouTuber Claims 15-Inch MacBook Pro With Upgraded Core i9 Chip is Severely Throttled Due to Thermal Issues
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Awesome. She is reasonable and I have always loved her videos. I in no way regret my i9 order. Thanks for posting, mate.
Agreed. Not worried. I like it when I hear, “wicked fast.” My mainstays are Logic Pro, Ableton and Pro Tools. I love how she came right out and said Premiere is a, “dog,” on Macs.
I’m a music producer so audio is where it’s at for me as well. Although I did opt for the i7 because I already have an iMac Pro. I just have no need for an i9 in such a small case. I am curious to see how this all plays out when the dust settles.
I'm wondering WTH this person is talking about also. I have installed Windows on dozens of computers throughout the years. I have never had a Windows install freeze on me. Windows does take forever to install when compared to Linux: over an hour for Windows versus 20 minutes for Linux, but it has never frozen.
Because I don't like un-informed people getting ripped off and apple using that "user acceptance" of their design ethos as justification for continuing it.
Long term, that leads us from things like the universally loved, good value, well performing, upgradable pre-retina models to where we are today, and if it doesn't stop soon, even worse.
I like macOS and want better hardware for it. If the mass market keeps accepting this garbage, we won't ever get it.
By the way, i'm not presuming my use case is the same as anyone else's. My use case doesn't involve trying to do this stuff on a notebook any more (and that's why i currently run a 13"). But plenty of others do. And I used to.
And whatever my use case is is pretty irrelevant. Apple are trying to sell this as a high end professional workstation for high end audio and video. It just isn't.
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Logic, Pro Tools, Ableton and Reason. You can listen to some of my work at www.transatlanticcrush.com
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I am not taking about the Windows OS install freezing.
No because TDP is basically almost meaningless nowadays. TDP doesn't mean the maximum heat generated, it means the heat generated when running "real applications". Now obviously what constitutes a real application is up for interpretation, and you can't rely on Intel on being honest or playing fair, Intel is notorious for bending the rules left right and center.
The i9 has more cores, it may be that a "real application" doesn't use all of them, hence the same TDP. Or whatever the reasoning. The i9 gives out more heat when at 100%, it's only logical as it has more cores.
Nice, mate. I’ll check it out.
I want to learn how to produce solely as a weekend hobby and have debated between ableton and fl. I have been leaning toward ableton.
The spec chaser is Intel, who boosted their TDP and came out with chips that are worse-performing per watt than their last gen because they're feeling the heat from AMD.
Apple's only recourse at that point is to redesign the entire chassis with no guarantee they won't continue that trend next year.
Which makes it abundantly clear why they're so interested in producing their own chips, so they can stop being beholden to a supplier's own choices (like the worse integrated graphics in last year's models due to Intel jiggering their product portfolio.)
I think this thread is interesting because there's an ancillary market for making your Mac run better.
Here are some examples:
2. A cooling station can optimize your Mac under heavy CPU or GPU load
3. A USB-C hub can provide you with the missing ports
4. An eGPU will improve the GPU on models that support Thunderbolt 3.
Suppose you combined all of those features into a dock station of some sort.
Here are some examples:
- A Mac in clamshell mounted vertically runs faster than a Mac in clamshell on a flat surface
2. A cooling station can optimize your Mac under heavy CPU or GPU load
3. A USB-C hub can provide you with the missing ports
4. An eGPU will improve the GPU on models that support Thunderbolt 3.
Suppose you combined all of those features into a dock station of some sort.
Exactly! What you said
bottom line is the i9 runs hot. It’s a furnace. It’s been proven to be this way in other laptops, not just Apple’s.
Do you have any evidence to support Intels published thermal numbers are deceitful?
Yeah, Intel are completely dishonest about their TDP and have been for a decade or so
"TDP represents the average power, in watts, the processor dissipates when operating at Base Frequency with all cores active under an Intel-defined, high-complexity workload"
Really clears that up, huh? It's less that they're deceitful, than "based on a secret sauce Intel doesn't want to share". They tell you something but something that no-one really knows.
Not that any of this excuses Apple for not testing (or not caring) or engineering it properly.
I have. Installing Win 7 once and 2 times afterwards installing Win 10. It was stalling then failing giving out a really cryptic error message that nobody on the Internet knew what it meant. Eventually hidden in a single random post on a forum was the fix - disconnect every unused drive and only leave the drive you're installing to.
Turned out to be a really old bug from Win ME days, and me having another hackintosh drive connected with OS X installed on it was probably what was triggering it.
Bug is probably still not fixed.
Then what are you talking about?
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It's not the install that takes long. It's updating it afterwards. It's absolutely ridiculous how many trips to Software Update it takes to bring a new install of Windows current.
Check my graph above for the desktop versions. 8700k is 21 degrees hotter then 7700k, runs hotter then a 1950x :/
It’s irrelevant to this thread. In my opinion Windows is a disaster compared to macOS. If you get on well with it great for you. It’s a giant eyesore to me.
I think this thread is interesting because there's an ancillary market for making your Mac run better.
Here are some examples:
- A Mac in clamshell mounted vertically runs faster than a Mac in clamshell on a flat surface
2. A cooling station can optimize your Mac under heavy CPU or GPU load
3. A USB-C hub can provide you with the missing ports
4. An eGPU will improve the GPU on models that support Thunderbolt 3.
Suppose you combined all of those features into a dock station of some sort.
Those are all band-aids for a broken notebook design.
If i was wanting to run a mac in clamshell mode or on a cooling pad i'd simply buy a desktop instead. Oh wait. The high end iMac and iMac Pro throttle as well! Oops
"Oh it's so thin and light! Just carry around this additional stand, cooling pad, etc. so that when you get to your destination you can use your high end machine properly!"
Never mind using the machine in transit on a train, bus, plane, etc.
Never mind that those are expensive accessories for an already overpriced vs. performance notebook compared to the market.
Or working with Intel to ensure they're using the product correctly.
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No, it's not. You brought it up so finish it. Don't run, man up.
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How does that demonstrate Intel is deceiving manufacturers with their thermal numbers?
Because Microsoft doesn’t fix bugs. They just keep bloating their code.
He knows stuff and I too enjoy his youtube videos but at the same time. Click Bait = Life on Youtube. I have a issue with Youtubers making over-reactions to the smallest things.