ZTE Launches World's First Phone With Under-Screen Selfie Camera

I7guy said:
There were a vocal minority that had that attitude towards the notch. I don't remember going back 3 years if that was the entirety of the sentiment.
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You need to do your homework on this. When the iphone with the notch came out, it was the most talked about aspect of the phone and it drew a huge amount of critisim and dislike. There was no 'minority' that had an attitude towards the notch, it was a very very huge majority that was vocal about it. The majority of Apple reviewers on youtube and tech websites disliked the notch. It was only a minority of people that actually liked the notch.

It's innovative if it works as claimed. If it doesn't work as claimed, then it's as innovative as airpower was.
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Your wrong again. An innovation does not need to work to be classed as being 'innovative', it just needs to be designed and built and the idea shown off. This is where the idea of 'concept designs' comes in to play. Many an innovation are seen on 'concept car's' from the motor industry. Many of the innovations on the vechicles do not actually work but is there to show off the creative minds of the designers and engineers. If someone likes an innovation, it gets looked into further and then working prototypes are made. If it fails, then it fails but it's still shows off the potential of the innovation.
 
macmediausa said:
I never understood the reasoning for why so many people are against having a notch on the phone.
So with these notchless phones, when you pick it up - how do you know which orientation is the phone? It's important as which side are you supposed to answer the call? Which side are you supposed to hold it when taking a photo (either with front or rear facing?). The more the manufacturers make phones without bezels or indicators where the top is - the more the user has to fumble to see which side is up (and the greater chance of dropping the phone).

I love having the notch (and the ear speaker notch) so I know quickly how to hold the phone.
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It's a design flaw. Same as the hole-punch camera. Just knowing it's there is distracting and I will not buy a phone with a hole or notch in the screen.
 
laptech said:
You need to do your homework on this. When the iphone with the notch came out, it was the most talked about aspect of the phone and it drew a huge amount of critisim and dislike. There was no 'minority' that had an attitude towards the notch, it was a very very huge majority that was vocal about it. The majority of Apple reviewers on youtube and tech websites disliked the notch. It was only a minority of people that actually liked the notch.
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It's impossible to tally the votes on an online forum as to how that translates into tens of millions. Of course we know what went on to happen, but it's tough to tell if the buyers of the iphone x; hated the notch, tolerated the notch or liked the notch...based on MacRumors forum postings or iphone units sold. I don't know if there was ever a poll on this.
Your wrong again. An innovation does not need to work to be classed as being 'innovative', it just needs to be designed and built and the idea shown off. This is where the idea of 'concept designs' comes in to play. Many an innovation are seen on 'concept car's' from the motor industry. Many of the innovations on the vechicles do not actually work but is there to show off the creative minds of the designers and engineers. If someone likes an innovation, it gets looked into further and then working prototypes are made. If it fails, then it fails but it's still shows off the potential of the innovation.
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There can be an innovative concept, but in a practical sense, innovation is about implementation. And if it can't be produced or productionized, where is the innovation? If a concept design is innovative and impractical but the vehicle that was based on that has none of that innovation, what does it matter? So I'm not wrong, it depends on what definitions one wants to slice this with.
 
Definitely great work from ZTE. Great initiate and pushing for a better tech

But I guess for those who said Apple should have done instead of it competitor might want to watch this video -->

Due to the use of the more transparent screen on that part, you can see the colour is a bit uneven, especially when the screen is displaying red colour. This basically compromises the screen output quality. The second thing I noticed is that the native camera app is not right to the edge of the screen, it did leave a bit of padding which allow the screen to be completely dark so that camera can see through it better. you will also noticed that a lot of the apps will not utilized the full screen.
 
Even if you can leave aside that this will inevitably result in a worse camera, it's also only a solution for the camera, not the other sensors in the notch. So the notion that this is a more "innovative" alternative to the notch is just silly.

At best, it's a plausible alternative to the hole punch, but even then, a hole punch phone is going to have a much better front-facing camera than this.

laptech said:
You need to do your homework on this. When the iphone with the notch came out, it was the most talked about aspect of the phone and it drew a huge amount of critisim and dislike. There was no 'minority' that had an attitude towards the notch, it was a very very huge majority that was vocal about it. The majority of Apple reviewers on youtube and tech websites disliked the notch. It was only a minority of people that actually liked the notch.
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Can you cite actual numbers of how many people disliked the notch so much, they skipped no buying an iPhone, bought an iPhone 8/8 Plus instead of the X, or now an SE instead of the 11?

Or did they move to Android? If so, what, did they get a phone with:

  • worse or no facial recognition (no notch, no sensor array, just a hole-punch)
  • bigger bezels (no notch because the entire bezel is the notch)

Or did they end up with a notch after all?
 
ani4ani said:
ok give it a rest. Manufacturers were using 2D face and retina scanning long before Apple came up with FaceID. No manufacture, other than Apple, has gone to the trouble (and complication) of using dot projection and the like before or since.
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Cause, I mean, who cares about security when it comes to authentication, right?
 
chucker23n1 said:
Even if you can leave aside that this will inevitably result in a worse camera, it's also only a solution for the camera, not the other sensors in the notch. So the notion that this is a more "innovative" alternative to the notch is just silly.

At best, it's a plausible alternative to the hole punch, but even then, a hole punch phone is going to have a much better front-facing camera than this.



Can you cite actual numbers of how many people disliked the notch so much, they skipped no buying an iPhone, bought an iPhone 8/8 Plus instead of the X, or now an SE instead of the 11?

Or did they move to Android? If so, what, did they get a phone with:

  • worse or no facial recognition (no notch, no sensor array, just a hole-punch)
  • bigger bezels (no notch because the entire bezel is the notch)

Or did they end up with a notch after all?
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I do not need to provide such detailed information and you know it, your just being pedantic. When the phone with the notch was initially released, the general consenus from the public was that people hated it. There are lots and lots of posts in this forum that is proof of that. Plus there is lots and lots of review videos with comments from people that say they do not like the notch. Everyone who was wanting the phone knows this. The feature was disliked, period, there is no number figure that needs to prove this.
 
laptech said:
I do not need to provide such detailed information and you know it, your just being pedantic.
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Not at all. If people's conclusion, by and large, is "well, the notch isn't great, but overall, this is a good phone; I'm going to buy it", then it becomes a tradeoff: how many of those people are OK with losing Face ID and a good front-facing camera, if it means getting rid of the notch and having the camera underneath the screen?

Some, I'm sure. But as many as are currently buying the iPhone 11 as is?

laptech said:
When the phone with the notch was initially released, the general consenus from the public was that people hated it.
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What's your polling data on this? You're making leaps based on what you've seen some pundits say. This place is very, very unrepresentative of the typical iPhone buyer.

laptech said:
There are lots and lots of posts in this forum that is proof of that. Plus there is lots and lots of review videos with comments from people that say they do not like the notch. Everyone who was wanting the phone knows this. The feature was disliked, period, there is no number figure that needs to prove this.
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Do you also vote based on what some guy in a forum and some reviewer on YouTube says? Or do you actually make your own informed choice?
 
chucker23n1 said:
Apple will probably be able to shrink some of the sensors at some point. But probably never quite enough to make the notch entirely invisible.
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I agree, and I don’t think they want to. If every phone was all screen with no notch, how could you tell them apart from the front? Right now, the notch seems associated with the iPhone, and that isn’t such a bad thing.

Also, I don’t think camera quality through a screen could ever be comparable in quality or authentication purposes.
 
laptech said:
This is the sort of engineering invovation and leap forward that we should be expecting from Apple, not it's competitors.
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One have to repeat that over and over. There are many factors every couch analytic should take into account:
  • is solution really up to Apple quality expectation and user experience
  • is there producer able to deliver that in masses Apple needs and acceptable price
  • is producer able to deliver it in quality needed
  • and maybe others
 
DinkThifferent said:
It's not. The screen is not symmetrical. The bezel at the bottom is slightly thicker than the top bezel.

You can't unsee that.
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all phones have that. even samsung does. there's nothing you can do about it. they have to put the ribbon cable somewhere. it's a non-issue, and it's much less noticable than a big hole in the middle of the screen.
 
JessicaFEREM said:
all phones have that. even samsung does. there's nothing you can do about it. they have to put the ribbon cable somewhere. it's a non-issue, and it's much less noticable than a big hole in the middle of the screen.
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Aren't the iphones' x/xs/11 etc, bezels symmetrical? Hence the notch.

edit: there really is no follow-up as to the veracity of an under screen camera. Would definitely be interested to see a camera shoot-out.
 
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