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Zuckerberg: Android's Openness Offers Opportunity for 'Way Better' Experience Than iPhone

aliensporebomb said:
What he doesn't understand is that while facebook is very popular today it could easily be in the same boat as myspace tomorrow.

I didn't buy my iPhone to hang off facebook 24/7, that's just an app I use once in a while. I realize they want to push it as "the main reason anyone exists at all" but it's just a website.
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1. He's the CEO and founder of Facebook. Why would he share that line of thinking - that it might be in the same boat as myspace tomorrow.

2. You don't need to worry. Home isn't coming to iOS as anything other than perhaps an app. You don't need to download it. And no one is forcing you to buy a phone that has Facebook Home installed on it.

Problem solved :)
 
aliensporebomb said:
I didn't buy my iPhone to hang off facebook 24/7, that's just an app I use once in a while. I realize they want to push it as "the main reason anyone exists at all" but it's just a website.
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But some more or less live on Facebook (when they are not texting) and for them this will probably be great. But this is an option, a free choice (if you have an Android phone). If you want it - install it and activate it. If you don't want it- don't install it. The Android world isn't like the iOS world, where the manufacturer tells you what you want and what you must use as default, what your phone has to look like and how it must behave (which can be both good and bad). You have an option to decide for yourself. I believe options are good.
 
aloshka said:
Who gives a sh i t. The success of a company is not based on how much the CEO is worth. I don't even think much. He landed facebook by accident and so far not a single decision he has made gives facebook revenue. User base , yeah. Advertising, definitely, but none of that was his idea. He IPO'd and promised investors tons of money. How did that go?

So no, success isn't how much someone is worth. And quite honestly, if he were to leave facebook, I don't think any company would really want him. Maybe myspace
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So he's a retard but a billionaire? No clue what he is doing? Apple didn't have any luck involved at conception? Microsoft?
 
I agree customization can be great. It allows you to be unique and express your individuality. Like MySpace for example. But don't automatically think that customization = success. Cause we know how that worked out for the company mentioned above. Facebook will come up with new and interesting ways to grab and keep a users attention. That's they only way they can try to make money off their user base for now. But as time as shown us, people are fickle and the tides will turn. What is up today will be down tomorrow (figuratively speaking)

Nale72 said:
But some more or less live on Facebook (when they are not texting) and for them this will probably be great. But this is an option, a free choice (if you have an Android phone). If you want it - install it and activate it. If you don't want it- don't install it. The Android world isn't like the iOS world, where the manufacturer tells you what you want and what you must use as default, what your phone has to look like and how it must behave (which can be both good and bad). You have an option to decide for yourself. I believe options are good.
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Plutonius said:
But the point is without google apps (mail, etc), even the Kindle is a brick. Android requires Google to get anything out of it. It is not open since you need Google.
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What are you talking about? Do you know what 'Google Apps' means?

Why do you think Amazon has it's own app store? Do you think only the gmail app can handle gmail? That Google Maps are the only maps app out there (if one would need it on a wifi tab)? :confused:
 
My is totally right. Due to so many crappy restrictions iOS severely lacks in user experience but thanks to jobs being such a great talker and marketer people actually belive the fallacy of the iphone.

You only get a great user experience when you jailbreak an iphone but not right out the box.

With android, the user experience on a high end phone is so much better it isn't even funny! You have all the power and make all the decisions regarding your phone, the way it should be.

Hopefully now that jobs is gone they will open up the platform a bit (open to options, not bad apps).

They can set the device up like the cydia store with advanced and user modes from first boot.

Stop fighting jail breaks, encourage that!

Simplify the platform don't just say it's simple when it's no simpler than competing products (ever try turning on mobile hot spot on a stock iphone? Complicated to most people).

Anyone that says MZ is wrong is lying to themselves
 
tb5 said:
so you go running in the dark with the flashlight on your phone on, while making outgoing calls and change songs and podcast at the same time in the dark?

some sure have strange hobbies...
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No, some people go running in parks after work, where it's often dark in the winter months and then a phone flashlight working properly is generally helpful....:rolleyes:

What I find strange is that instead of comprehending that Android really does some things better nowadays, so many here are defending Apple's shortcomings and lack of meaningful iOS development over the past few years, despite record profits.

BTW, the whole point of this FB launcher is that you can CHOOSE to install it and use it on your Android device, or CHOOSE not to.

There is no such choice in iOS. I find it strange that this makes some people smug and happy,
 
OliverOSX93 said:
Of course android is better for facebook. Neither company understands the term "customer privacy"
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When last I looked, Apple didn't really understand that term either. That being said, I guess I'm that one person who has not yet signed up for a Facebook account.
 
Facebook doesn't define smart phones.

In a couple years, Facebook will be replaced just like Friendster, MySpace and countless others have been. People are gradually losing interest.
 
lupado said:
In a couple years, Facebook will be replaced just like Friendster, MySpace and countless others have been. People are gradually losing interest.
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No doubt. And you'll probably find similar integrations of that social website in Android and iPhone too.

I'll hazard a guess: the successor to Facebook is going to have an improved privacy policy.
 
Stella said:
No doubt. And you'll probably find similar integrations of that social website in Android and iPhone too.

I'll hazard a guess: the successor to Facebook is going to have an improved privacy policy.
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For adults - we already have LinkedIn :)

I have a love/hate relationship with Facebook.
 
xraydoc said:
Comparing the Samsung Dart to the iPhone is not a fair contest. While I'm an iPhone user (primarily, though I also own an Android device), the Samsung Dart and other low-end Android phones are not in the same class as the iPhone. These are basically feature-phone replacements and should not be compared to $650-$850 iPhones (at retail price).

Remember that not everyone who wants a smartphone-type device wants to (or can afford to) buy a $199+ device on a two-year contract. Some buy a $79 phone on a pre-paid carrier or have to buy the phone at full retail price where the $650+ price of an iPhone is cost-prohibitive.

While clearly the experience of an iPhone is going to be better than a budget Android phone, I don't think they belong in the same comparison class. Yet do not underestimate the influence these budget devices have. They raise the Android adoption numbers substantially. And that will push developers to target Android more and more.
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It's not a fair comparison and I did that on purpose. I did it to show that Android's open platform has a very wide range of experiences. Ranging from completely awful to incredible. Which means, being open does not necessarily mean a better experience, which some people are inclined to believe.

With that in mind, Zuckerberg's comment ("In a lot of ways, this is one of the best Facebook experiences that you can get.") may not always be true. It all depends on the quality of phone that the consumer has chosen to buy, which is completely out of the hands of Facebook. Unless of course they only choose to support certain phones, in which case you will have people seeing their friends with the new Facebook launcher, but will be unable to get it on their own Android phone. Is that a good experience?
 
Winni said:
That being said, I guess I'm that one person who has not yet signed up for a Facebook account.
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Actually there are a few of us that have purposely avoided Facebook. We are a very small group.

In the USA alone, the multinational company I work for has thousands of employees. I am the lone holdout that refuses to join Facebook.

Funny how the metrics reveal I'm the most productive engineer in the group. Could it be because I'm working when others are on Facebook?
 
maxosx said:
Actually there are a few of us that have purposely avoided Facebook. We are a very small group.

In the USA alone, the multinational company I work for has thousands of employees. I am the lone holdout that refuses to join Facebook.

Funny how the metrics reveal I'm the most productive engineer in the group. Could it be because I'm working when others are on Facebook?
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But you're on here ;) It's just displacement ;)
 
Big Brother's phone

I'll admit to being a Facebook user, but I always keep in mind that it's an advertising company. The main strategy of and ad company is to burrow themselves into your life. This is why they are offering a phone.

If they ever misbehave (like trying to claim copyright ownership of my photos, etc..) they'll be tossed in the can.

In the end, we always seem to do it to ourselves. Soon:

Facebook = "Big Brother" … just sign here please… no need to read the fine print...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Big_Brother_(Nineteen_Eighty-Four)
(for all you youngsters)

So, the best feature of the Facebook iOS app is you can press/hold down the icon, then tap the red 'x' when it appears. Goodbye!!
 
I find this news topic hilarious, since Zuckerberg apparently owns an iPhone yet he's slagging it off for not being open :)
 
thehustleman said:
My is totally right. Due to so many crappy restrictions iOS severely lacks in user experience but thanks to jobs being such a great talker and marketer people actually belive the fallacy of the iphone.

You only get a great user experience when you jailbreak an iphone but not right out the box.

With android, the user experience on a high end phone is so much better it isn't even funny! You have all the power and make all the decisions regarding your phone, the way it should be.

Hopefully now that jobs is gone they will open up the platform a bit (open to options, not bad apps).

They can set the device up like the cydia store with advanced and user modes from first boot.

Stop fighting jail breaks, encourage that!

Simplify the platform don't just say it's simple when it's no simpler than competing products (ever try turning on mobile hot spot on a stock iphone? Complicated to most people).

Anyone that says MZ is wrong is lying to themselves
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Open is pretty vague. I think what makes Android customizable is the widgets and the ability to change your home screen. They still have the grid of apps.
iOS could use more elegant multitasking. Running apps that share screen space.
But do you want to give up battery life for that?
I still like that the :apple: is protecting me and can kill switch a bad app. before it causes too much trouble.
Android's openeness also leads to ransomware where your phone is hijacked until you pay some hacker $75 or more to unlock it.

Open and popular in a phone is a recipe for virus and data theft of the most personal kind.
Closed and Hardened is preferable.
 
I was kind of excited for this, I thought the new UI would push apple to make something better, turns out that they just added your face on everything. Then you get facebook notifications everywhere. And those cute little notifications that appear for 2 seconds then disappear, now pile up and bother you till you give them attention. This is just a ton more facebook and in the future ads.

This isn't even apple vs. android. This is how much Facebook do you want on your phone
 
thehustleman said:
With android, the user experience on a high end phone is so much better it isn't even funny! You have all the power and make all the decisions regarding your phone, the way it should be.
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Luckily, you don't get to make decisions for other people.

I guess, I have:
Option A: Toaster which requires a programming language to cook toast. Allows any toasting temperature, to vary at 1 second increments, 2 levers to push down toast, varying sizes of toaster slots can be configured.

Option B: 2 non-configurable sized slots, with one lever to push down, no other controls.

Option A is infinitely better than Option B. For All people. All the time.

Sure.
 
bbeagle said:
Luckily, you don't get to make decisions for other people.

I guess, I have:
Option A: Toaster which requires a programming language to cook toast. Allows any toasting temperature, to vary at 1 second increments, 2 levers to push down toast, varying sizes of toaster slots can be configured.

Option B: 2 non-configurable sized slots, with one lever to push down, no other controls.

Option A is infinitely better than Option B. For All people. All the time.

Sure.
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Only your example is extremist. Are you really suggesting that iOS and Android are that far apart in ease-of-use?
 
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