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Generally with the EU, they tend to make laws like this with a soft touch to begin with in the hopes that the companies it applies to would do the right thing on their own. That means not just following the law but also follow the spirit it was written in & what it was trying to achieve.

Apple has decided to ignore that and gone intentionally out of its way to find loopholes to bypass what they knew was the goal.

I'd imagine what will happen now is other companies/developers will continue to complain. The EU will then warn Apple and if they don't then backdown, the EU will legislate much tougher to the point where Apple will likely face significant fines to their annual turnover unless they comply.
At what point would you consider the EU’s regulations to have overstepped the mark? Is it ok for the government to force companies to give away their products and services for free? What other businesses might be forced to do that in the future?
 
And Apple can pay themselves on the back for having highlighted most loopholes in one go so the EU can just amend the regulation to close them, as they will likely do soon enough. Regulations should never be more strict then they need to be, clearly Apple is a bad actor that needs stricter regulations than originally thought sufficient.
One thing that kind of annoys me is that Apple would never pull this stunt with let's say Chinese regulations. They would bend over so fast it would seem like an Olympic back flip.
But for a rule of law based economic bloc that works in good faith they dither.
It could be argued that they are working in their shareholders best interest as they should. I'm also not certain of that because it can be reasonably expected that this won't end here.
If they end pulling this one off it's indeed a great move.
 
It's not like Apple heavily subsidizes their iPhones and iPads. Customers should have full choice to stick to Apple's App Store or install that elusive App which falls outside of Apple's walled garden rules and be self responsible for whatever havoc it causes on their phone. By your precious logic, Microsoft and Android should also stop sideloading any apps on Windows and Android because everyone has been leaching on Windows for nearly 30 years.
You know what you’re buying into when you buy an Apple product. It’s been a USP for years, you can’t now have it both ways. If you don’t like the features now then buy another product.
 
Does the word "entertain" have more meanings than the one I know (i.e. provide amusement) ? Because in that context I fail to see how Zuckerberg would entertain what apple is doing...
Yes it also means to give attention or consideration to something
 
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At what point would you consider the EU’s regulations to have overstepped the mark? Is it ok for the government to force companies to give away their products and services for free? What other businesses might be forced to do that in the future?
I don't own a Mac but I'm assuming Apple allows you to install programs on your computer from other companies without charging the User or the Company despite those programs coming from a 3rd party onto an Apple OS?

At the end of the day, nothing any of us say on this forum whatever side of the fence we are matters. The EU has also passed the legislation which applies within their own territory & they're allowed to do even if you don't agree with it. If Apple feels the EU are breaking their own laws then they also have a right to challenge that.

As far as I know, the EU/Facebook/Spotify etc haven't once called for Apple to provide them their services for free.
 
Several of you in support of the EU keep saying things like "Apple should do the right thing."

The Right Thing? The EU has crafted a law to specifically make something that is legal for every business in the EU to do, but illegal for Apple to do. So, how does any of that equate to doing "the right thing?" IF it's the right thing to do, why doesn't it apply to any business in the EU?

The answer, of course, is that this is bald protectionism, masquerading as morality.

The "intent" of most tax laws are to fund things like basic education, yet in many places, basic education is under funded. Does that mean that when you follow the law, and only pay the taxes that the law says you must pay, you're ignoring the intent of the law?

Apple can't guess the intent of a law that doesn't specify specifics. They can only follow the law as written.
 
If platforms were all forced to be actually open then I'd be for that...

... but these rules are purely aimed against Apple so I mostly applaud Apple making this painful. In reality Apple could come up with FAR more punishing mechanisms if the EU plans to continue going after them as a singular company.

Now for some what-about-ism:
  1. Region Locking in printer ink. https://h30434.www3.hp.com/t5/Print...-to-region-lock-European-printer/td-p/7886598
  2. Consoles(Playstation, Nintendo)... Epic isn't complaining about Sony because Sony owns a huge chunk of Epic. The EU technically says you can't sell things at a loss because of the lock-in that obviously happens... but the EU allows it through a series of loopholes for the big manufacturers.
  3. Cars... GM is dropping AppleCar AND AndroidAuto to force people to use their AppStore. BMW charges a fee to allow you to access CarPlay. These are people that didn't develop this tech literally charging rent on it.
  4. The DMA rules effectively don't touch Android even though Android has twice the marketshare in the EU.
 
Agreed and I just learned a new English word. „Onerous“ interesting
It's a very common word in other languages as it has a Latin origin.

I'm not English native and didn't even know that in English it was a fancy word. It's quite common in my language (not exactly equal, of course, but a bit like tomato which is almost equal in several languages).
 
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I don't own a Mac but I'm assuming Apple allows you to install programs on your computer from other companies without charging the User or the Company despite those programs coming from a 3rd party onto an Apple OS?

At the end of the day, nothing any of us say on this forum whatever side of the fence we are matters. The EU has also passed the legislation which applies within their own territory & they're allowed to do even if you don't agree with it. If Apple feels the EU are breaking their own laws then they also have a right to challenge that.

As far as I know, the EU/Facebook/Spotify etc haven't once called for Apple to provide them their services for free.
Bringing up how it works on a Mac, Windows or Android is irrelevant because that’s not how Apple designs it to work on iOS.

If people want the EU to force Apple to make it work like Mac, Windows or Android, that is fine, but I don’t think the DMA stipulates that.

I’d also question why everything should be forced to operate under the same business model instead of allowing the market to have different models. Many didn’t like that Apple prevented game streaming services from being in the App Store because it stopped a new business model for games from developing.
 
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That was the whole point. Of course these are just proposals. The EU might not accept them.
 
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I agree Apple shouldn't be allowed a fee for app developers to use their technologies.

I assume Epic will let us use Unity Engine for free, Spotify will give us Premium for free ? Right ?
Well what is Meta paying Apple now since all their apps in the App Store are free to download/use?
 
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