Having Mark Zuckerberg complain about Apple does not add much support to opposing Apple. A blatant example of the pot calling the kettle black.
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Zuckerberg Calls Apple's DMA Compliance Changes 'Onerous' and 'Difficult to Seriously Entertain'
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Indicating that perhaps were it different, Facebook would try to monetize the EU mandated free access to Apple's platform and customer base. Which confirms what many have said about apps leaving the walled-garden ecosystem of Apple.
How do you think Apple subsidizes your “free” OS upgrades and all the server-based services you use on your iPhone and ongoing development of the platform years after your purchase? Perhaps you would prefer to buy your iPhone hardware and pay separately for all subsequent upgrades and a subscription fee for use of Siri, iCloud transfers, Apple Pay registration, etc.?
Isn't that kind of the point? Apple doesn't want to make the alternative app store more appealing. It simply exsits for compliance.
It will be interesting to see how many devs choose to use the alt store over the App store.
It will be interesting to see how many devs choose to use the alt store over the App store.
Mark Zuckerberg, trillionaire, whining that Apple will cost Meta money for their so-called ‘free’ app. Where does Meta’s billions/trillions in revenue come from, if not advertising, and monetizing users’ data and compromising privacy (that’s the actuality). Too bad, Zuck.So the Apple move is evil even by the standards of Mark Zuckerberg
Careful Zuck, these over-reaching idiots will come for you too!
Android and iOS are better than Windows PCs and macOS because they were designed from the ground up around a sandboxing model. iOS does not allow apps to have root access, at all (unless someone goes through the steps of jailbreaking their phone). In that context the App store model literally does nothing; a sideloaded app would still be forced by the OS to run in its sandbox and ask for permissions to use system resources outside of it like the microphone or camera.
That's a rubbish comparison also. The car manufacturer didn't invent gas or come up with it in their spending on R&D. Try again.
People cry "unfair" when they really mean "not to my advantage".
News at 11.
News at 11.
big fine coming for apple when the EU review they have done but apple will have already factored that in. They know they are not complying.
I really don't understand the slavish devotion to apple's EVIL policies. They do not a lick of good for anyone here... it's positively insane.
1: Allowing unfettered side loading just as has been the case on windows, macOS, linux, android etc... is not going to cause any flood bank of doom and destruction - it's quite literally the natural state of computing since time immemorial. Apple claims aren't even spurious, they're absurdly wrong, and proven to be so by their own product (macOS).
2: no, apple nor microsoft... nor google... nor red hat , etc... none of them need ADDITIONAL user based fees (post initial sale) of any sort for their core platforms... they have ALL established that by creating extremely popular Operating systems - inevitably open and unforced streams of revenue will pour in through various avenues due to that very popularity. Allowing corporations to FORCE money flows that aren't needed for their ongoing operations is anti-competitive and functionally evil.
3: Apple makes wonderful products ive been using since the 80's to near exclusivity, but their behavior in the last 10 years or so has become anti-user, anti-competitive, and most unforgivably... unnecessary. When an entity behaves in a manner that is detrimental to the interests of society, hopefully one represented by democratic and politcal representation - it is the place, right, and duty of government to take corrective measures in hopefully the minimal way applicable.
4: When a corporation blatantly ignores and works to flagrantly spit in the face of such corrective measures... they deserve the full on ban hammer. Apple is overdue for a smackdown, and I wish the USA would get as serious about it as they were for ma bell, standard oil, microsoft, and so on. This sh!!t is not good for the consumer nor society, and apple has only themselves to blame.
The fact that so many of you just blindly support their ****** excesses, to no benefit at all... which is literally provable by their long standing MacOs... is just... bewildering. Id swear you guys are apple employees, because I am an apple fanboy, and even I know that side loading isn't going to cause an iota of meaningful harm.
1: Allowing unfettered side loading just as has been the case on windows, macOS, linux, android etc... is not going to cause any flood bank of doom and destruction - it's quite literally the natural state of computing since time immemorial. Apple claims aren't even spurious, they're absurdly wrong, and proven to be so by their own product (macOS).
2: no, apple nor microsoft... nor google... nor red hat , etc... none of them need ADDITIONAL user based fees (post initial sale) of any sort for their core platforms... they have ALL established that by creating extremely popular Operating systems - inevitably open and unforced streams of revenue will pour in through various avenues due to that very popularity. Allowing corporations to FORCE money flows that aren't needed for their ongoing operations is anti-competitive and functionally evil.
3: Apple makes wonderful products ive been using since the 80's to near exclusivity, but their behavior in the last 10 years or so has become anti-user, anti-competitive, and most unforgivably... unnecessary. When an entity behaves in a manner that is detrimental to the interests of society, hopefully one represented by democratic and politcal representation - it is the place, right, and duty of government to take corrective measures in hopefully the minimal way applicable.
4: When a corporation blatantly ignores and works to flagrantly spit in the face of such corrective measures... they deserve the full on ban hammer. Apple is overdue for a smackdown, and I wish the USA would get as serious about it as they were for ma bell, standard oil, microsoft, and so on. This sh!!t is not good for the consumer nor society, and apple has only themselves to blame.
The fact that so many of you just blindly support their ****** excesses, to no benefit at all... which is literally provable by their long standing MacOs... is just... bewildering. Id swear you guys are apple employees, because I am an apple fanboy, and even I know that side loading isn't going to cause an iota of meaningful harm.
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Indeed the DMA is just an "anti-Apple" legislation. Only they can't name it that. And this is also why Apple is pushing back on it.
My taxes are a public good that support everyone, despite what vehicle choices they make. Said taxes don't increase company nor personal profits, well at least they aren't supposed to.
Not even comparable, unless you want to say that Apple is taxing developers.
Wrong. Other gatekeepers, notably Facebook (Meta) are subject to the law as well.
The principle of competitive markets should be protected - and where necessary restored, yes.
Apple doesn’t need to “guess” the intent of the law - the law clearly states its intention.
You really think all the infrastructure, development tools, etc don't cost significant amount of money to maintain and develop?
If anyone should shut up because he is a hypocrite, it’s Zuckerberg.
So Meta can say on the current system or if they want try the alternative but it will cost them.
"Here’s some extremely back-of-the-napkin math: Facebook has 408 million monthly users in Europe across all platforms — web, Android, iOS, etc. iPhones make up about one-third of the mobile phone market in Europe. If one-third of those Facebook users have the iPhone app installed, Meta would be paying Apple €67.5 million (around $73.4 million) per year, just for Facebook. And there’d be another fee for WhatsApp, another for Instagram, another for Messenger, and so on. That number is also just for active users. Meta would also have to pay for people who installed the app years ago and never open it up but still get automatic updates."
www.theverge.com
So theoretically Meta would be looking at:
Facebook 73 mill
What's app 73 mil
Instagram 73 mill
Messanger 73 mil
So if they choose the alternative Meta will be paying around 292 million dollars a year for active users, not counting the non active ones getting updates.
"Here’s some extremely back-of-the-napkin math: Facebook has 408 million monthly users in Europe across all platforms — web, Android, iOS, etc. iPhones make up about one-third of the mobile phone market in Europe. If one-third of those Facebook users have the iPhone app installed, Meta would be paying Apple €67.5 million (around $73.4 million) per year, just for Facebook. And there’d be another fee for WhatsApp, another for Instagram, another for Messenger, and so on. That number is also just for active users. Meta would also have to pay for people who installed the app years ago and never open it up but still get automatic updates."
Here’s the new Apple tax every developer is going to hate
50 cents is the new 30 percent.
www.theverge.com
So theoretically Meta would be looking at:
Facebook 73 mill
What's app 73 mil
Instagram 73 mill
Messanger 73 mil
So if they choose the alternative Meta will be paying around 292 million dollars a year for active users, not counting the non active ones getting updates.
Just yesterday Mark Zuckerberg was saying he’s sorry about social media ills towards children and tried to shift the blame of Facebook to Apple and Google. Yes another blame the Apple app store not Meta.
The EU’s “try to comply and we’ll tell you afterwards if you succeeded” method of regulation is so inane I almost can’t believe it’s real.
Quite the contrary - it wisely and correctly anticipated gatekeepers’ attempts to maliciously comply and undermine the legislation with any crafty tricks and loopholes they could come up with (just as Apple did).
Lol can we stop the hysterics and using the word “evil” to describe things that we just don’t agree with? The English language isn’t nearly capacious enough to handle this superlative creep.
Hitler was evil. Jeffrey Dahmer was evil. Apple’s DMA compliance plan is not evil.
Or they could just do the logical thing and provide actual guidelines for companies to follow rather than leave so much wiggle room. It’s effectively entrapment.