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I think Steve Jobs summed it up in a quote, once upon a time:
"The problem with Microsoft is they just have no taste. They have no taste and I don't mean that in a small way, I mean that in a big way."

heyy... you forgot the "third-rate products" part
 
They really are good competition for Apple, in the media device market. Don't give me this survey sh**. It's a load of tosh. I know for a fact that '100% of teenagers' do not want iPods.
Im a teenager (for a few more weeks at least) and i dont want an ipod. I'd much rather have a zune for the larger screen, even if it is the same resolution as an ipod. I'd occasionally watch movies on it and having a larger screen would mean i can leave my psp at home and just carry one device. With an ipod i would carry my psp just for the bigger screen. I also do not want and ipod touch, not enough storage space.

I think It's bloody marvellous to see Microsoft enter the touch-screen device market, and I also think it's great that we now have even more variety of devices out there.
I will disagree with you here. I hate touchscreens. Its just a gimmick that grabs your attention. I like buttons. I dont even like trackpads on laptops (though the new macbook trackpad is amazing), i always grab a mouse.
 
That seems pretty simple to me.

Today 150 innocent people will be killed. That would be a negative fact (although that's not actually a fact as I have no idea).

Yesterday everyone one in the world got $100. That on the other would be a positive fact. (That one is true though, hopefully you didn't miss the memo).

Facts, cannot. However, an interpretation of it can be negative or positive. The fact that you have "innocent" in that sentence already makes it objective. Innocence itself can be argued to be objective. Also, the fact that most people think that 150 innocent people will be killed is bad, some psycho might not—that's the difference between facts and interpretation.
 
Im a teenager (for a few more weeks at least) and i dont want an ipod. I'd much rather have a zune for the larger screen, even if it is the same resolution as an ipod. I'd occasionally watch movies on it and having a larger screen would mean i can leave my psp at home and just carry one device. With an ipod i would carry my psp just for the bigger screen. I also do not want and ipod touch, not enough storage space.
You're turing twenty and you play with a PSP?
/judgement


I hate touchscreens. Its just a gimmick that grabs your attention.
It's not a gimmick if it makes the device function in a way that wasn't previously possible.
I like buttons. I dont even like trackpads on laptops (although the new macbook trackpad is amazing)

Are you attempting to make a point here? If you were you really screwed yourself over with the comment about the Macbook trackpad.
 
The sheer fact that I prefer Zune, is proof enough.
Myself, and a good friend of mine, both imported Zunes into the UK, because we prefer them.

Hardly unbelievable.

Can we agree on 90%?

I concede that there IS a Zune aisle at my local Best Buy, but it's gathering dust and there's tumbleweed rolling around there, with the faint sound of windchimes.
 
That whoosh is the sound of the point going completely over your head.



Big ugly black border + second unnecessary silver chin = UGLY. Deal with it.



Welcome to MacRumors. The iPod event has traditionally been in September.

Can we agree on 90%?

I concede that there IS a Zune aisle at my local Best Buy, but it's gathering dust and there's tumbleweed rolling around there, with the faint sound of windchimes.

Not true. From what I hear a lot of people buy Zunes over any other MP3 player (after iPod of course)
 
Can we agree on 90%?

I concede that there IS a Zune aisle at my local Best Buy, but it's gathering dust and there's tumbleweed rolling around there, with the faint sound of windchimes.

I totally agree, but I don't believe it's down to the product itself.

iPods have been around for lord knows how long. Let's face it, they are indeed aesthetically pleasing. That, and iTunes, is more than likely what swayed so many people in the first place, into buying them. There you have thousands of people, *used* to iPods - and it caught on from there on.

Microsoft have a bloody lot of competition, and the reason so little people have them, is purely because iPod seems to be 'the way to go', because it's so familiar.

I say, give the Zune time, and the device (and the services that will inevitably come as software), will be as popular as the Windows operating system.
 
The Zune is only going to get a bigger market share if it's available outside of the USA and Canada.

This argument is actually legit.
The reason is because the Zune will be sold at lower price points.
Most people cannot afford to pay for ipods , so They go for the so-called next best thing which for some would be the Zune.
Moreover,
I think it will appeal to those whom are Die Hard microsoft junkies....
Just like iPods,iPhones appeal to us Apple junkies....
 
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This is freaking GROUND BREAKING!!.... for 2007.
Yup, Microsoft -- a dollar short and two years late.

And the HD thing -- unless it is substantially bigger, it make no sense to anyone other than a MS marketing droid thinking "our specs will beat their specs". Good luck with that.

Meanwhile the day Apple releases an iTablet, which actually will be large enough to benefit from a HD screen, the Zune will be consigned to oblivion yet again.
 
There's no harm in praising a superior product. I actually wonder how many of you have actually used a Zune. I don't mean looked at one in a store or laughed at the brown (hey, it's not as ugly as the 3rd generation iPod nano colour lineup), I mean actually sat down and used the interface, tried the store etc.

I recall someone else (user: Sehnsucht) who has once owned a Zune. This is what he said:

Time to come out of the closet: I used to have an older version of one of these P.O.F.S.'s and it SUCKED. Looking back on it now, having that Zoon was akin to eating a dry, congealed Quarter Pounder that's been sitting under a heat lamp for several hours, and knowing that I could have gone across the street to Red Robin for a REAL flame-broiled burger with fried onions and jalepeños, and smoked slab bacon. :D :D

An important consideration is that Apple has had much longer to gain its market share, and much longer to develop its products. According to Wikipedia, Microsoft has sold 3m Zunes in two years. That's a great achievement, given how saturated the market was when they entered. If Apple tried to launch iPod then they sure as hell wouldn't be sitting on the market share that they are now.

and Apple sold 30 Million iPod Touch/iPhones now...

Zune did WiFi before iPod. November 2006 was when the first Zune launched with built in WiFi. It took Apple the best part of a year to copy it.

http://www.engadget.com/2006/10/02/zune-wireless-worthless-for-now/
http://news.cnet.com/8301-13526_3-10034885-27.html

Need I say more?


I don't see the attraction of having an App Store on your media player. I like it on my iPhone because I have a permanent data connection on there, but if you have it on a device which only has WiFi then you are severely restricted in the functionality of those applications because they will only work when you are somewhere with WiFi. I don't know about other people, but apart from my house I don't really go anywhere on a regular basis which has free WiFi. Even paid-for WiFi is not really that common.

Well you're missing the point of using an iPhone or iPod Touch rather than using HTC's or whichever-phone-company-you-like's phones... Without the apps I'd rather just buy a normal phone.

I am surprised that no one has noted that none of the iPod/iPhone line nor the Zune lineup have ever been suited to modern video playback. The shows I watch are all recorded either in SD or HD 16:9. For this reason, I prefer to watch things on my Sony PSP, which has a 16:9 display. I hate having to watch them on my iPhone because it either puts ugly black bars at the top and bottom of the image or it crops it. Not ideal. If the Zune HD is 16:9 I can see it being very, very attractive.

Well for a pocket sized device there is only so much you can expect. I'd say that 3:2 is quite enough. (Though if apple got rid of the chin and the head we might get enough space for a 16:9 resolution.)
 
I think I'll do something crazy like try it our before making stupid and prejudicial pronouncements on a message board which will make me look like an ass.

Well I would if they ever get round to selling it in the UK that is.
 
You people seem to forget that Microsoft are market leaders in software - so all these comments about how 'bad' the Zune software (both PC software, and device software), is just wrong. It's without reason. You're just wrong. End of story.

There is no doubt that MS is still the market leader in software. It seems that they're a little worried about that right now, seeing as they're running ads trying to make people lean back towards buying PCs.

Microsoft know what they're doing. It's not like they're some small, knowledge-less company.

I'm not quite sure about that. If they knew what they were doing, then the Zune would have already made some headway in the market. The fact is, is that the iPod IS an iconic image to everyone. Everyone knows how to use one, because it's got an easy to use interface. Yes, Zune has an easy to use interface too, BUT again, it's too "flashy".

More people care about a clean, easy to use interface, and that's what's kept Apple going throughout the years. UI design is the MOST important aspect of an OS. Microsoft still doesn't have UI design down. They often make it "too flashy" and "over-designed". And by over-designed, I mean they try too hard. Windows 7 is a step forward from Vista, but still not "clean".

And you'd be surprised, that a big company CAN be a knowledge-less company, especially in something that they're not good with.

They really are good competition for Apple, in the media device market. Don't give me this survey sh**. It's a load of tosh. I know for a fact that '100% of teenagers' do not want iPods.

Obviously, competition is good for everyone. And who said 100% of teenagers want iPods? :rolleyes:
 
Will be interesting to see if this is actually a Zune OS or if it is Windows Mobile with some sort of Zune media skin pasted on top.
 
You're turing twenty and you play with a PSP?
/judgement

Its something to do during breaks at work. Im also a pretty big nerd. :p

Also, i can say the trackpad on macbooks are amazing even if i dont like them. I dont care for Joe Satriani much, but i can still admit he is an amazing guitarist.
 
Amazing to me that some of the Zune aficionado's that are posting in this thread will simultaneously bash Apple's domination of the MP3 player market as simply the result of brand brainwashing, then heap praise on Microsoft's domination of the PC OS market. Hypocritical at best.

As for the hypothetical Zune HD, I think it's a nice looking product that is obviously taking heavy cues from Apple's industrial design approach. The problem being that it isn't only the industrial design that sells the product. The iPod was a smash hit because of Apple's commitment to a complete product experience...they covered all the bases, while their competitors tried to compete with fragments of it (usually focusing on specs/price only).
 
Yup, Microsoft -- a dollar short and two years late.

And the HD thing -- unless it is substantially bigger, it make no sense to anyone other than a MS marketing droid thinking "our specs will beat their specs". Good luck with that.

Meanwhile the day Apple releases an iTablet, which actually will be large enough to benefit from a HD screen, the Zune will be consigned to oblivion yet again.

This.
 
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