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Zune HD

raggedjimmi said:
HD? So that tiny display is 720p? Can you guys hold on a sec my pig just flew off, brb.
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11800506 said:
Doubt the HD title actually refers to 720p.
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It could probably refer to the fact that it might output HD resolutions so you could hook it up to a TV and watch the media on that.


fleshman03 said:
What compenition?

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Wrong market segment.

There have been quite a few statements saying with the app store this is dead in the water and that this device is not competition.

Microsoft recently launched an app store for windows mobile 6.5 it is obviously going to work with those applications and that store so right there is a huge potential customer base to attract developers



h.21 said:
The reason the black border exists on the zune is to make the screen look bigger when it's turned off.

Onto your other point. The silver chin is useless because it's a zune.
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TennisandMusic said:
Dude...
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Indeed

Looks at iPhone

Black Border: Check
Useless Silve Chin: Check
 
In order to be HD it's going to either have a 720p minimum internal display or 720p output. Anything less isn't HD - it's EDTV.

It's ridiculous how people 1) want a HD display in a (max) 3.5" display, especially when these things aren't even SD yet 2) buy into such buzzwords and 2.5) use such buzzwords especially when they're used incorrectly.

Meh, it's not like I'll ever buy one. The iPhone/iPod Touch is the "hottest" MP3 player in the market. A Zune, or anything, will have to be really good and be marketed well to beat that.
Oh and to be released outside of the US.
 
What's the point?

M$ sure doesn't seem to care about the millions wasted trying to market their Zunes. Competition is great for the industry, yes - but Apple and the family of iPods just can't be beat.

The problem is ... Redmond chose not to care about the iPod in 2001 - when Apple released their first music player. The software Behemoth was quite busy with Windows XP at the time. It took an obscure nerd at the company years to convince them to release their own player. The first one finally released in late 2006; while Apple was on their 5th generation of the product.

Sorry, Microsoft. It wouldn't matter this late in the game if your Zunes were the better product. They could **** gold cuff links and it still wouldn't matter. iPods are recognized, tried, true, and successful. Stick with your OS, Office, and the XBOX 360 instead of pet projects like the Zune, folks. Your shareholders will thank you for it.

:apple:
 
Everybody stop ragging in Microsoft and stop idolizing Apple. People hated the name "iPod nano" when there were rumblings. Apple did NOT invent touch screen players, just created the first good software/UI for one. There's still plenty of room for improvement. I recall the Samsung P2 being released basically at the same time (Sep. 2007) as the iPod touch. I've owned both, and the P2 is actually a very nice player. It was actually my main MP3 player for a while, but I ended up ditching it just because I couldn't sync it with iTunes easily. So it wasn't an issue with the player but an issue with my already-established loyalty to Apple software. And the only reason I got an iPhone was because I could ditch both my phone and MP3 player (the P2) and still use iTunes. Beyond that, I don't find the iPod touch/iPhone software fantastic. It's quite good, but don't expect that Microsoft won't find something to improve upon. It's not likely they'll produce a killer product, but at the very least they're going to introduce some cool things. Just appreciate the competition and the market world we live in, because without it, you probably wouldn't have your shiny iPod or your expensive MacBook Pro. Bleh.
 
Goona said:
And you should stop being a Microsoft troll.
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There's no harm in praising a superior product. I actually wonder how many of you have actually used a Zune. I don't mean looked at one in a store or laughed at the brown (hey, it's not as ugly as the 3rd generation iPod nano colour lineup), I mean actually sat down and used the interface, tried the store etc.

An important consideration is that Apple has had much longer to gain its market share, and much longer to develop its products. According to Wikipedia, Microsoft has sold 3m Zunes in two years. That's a great achievement, given how saturated the market was when they entered. If Apple tried to launch iPod then they sure as hell wouldn't be sitting on the market share that they are now.

Zune did WiFi before iPod. November 2006 was when the first Zune launched with built in WiFi. It took Apple the best part of a year to copy it.

I don't see the attraction of having an App Store on your media player. I like it on my iPhone because I have a permanent data connection on there, but if you have it on a device which only has WiFi then you are severely restricted in the functionality of those applications because they will only work when you are somewhere with WiFi. I don't know about other people, but apart from my house I don't really go anywhere on a regular basis which has free WiFi. Even paid-for WiFi is not really that common.

I am surprised that no one has noted that none of the iPod/iPhone line nor the Zune lineup have ever been suited to modern video playback. The shows I watch are all recorded either in SD or HD 16:9. For this reason, I prefer to watch things on my Sony PSP, which has a 16:9 display. I hate having to watch them on my iPhone because it either puts ugly black bars at the top and bottom of the image or it crops it. Not ideal. If the Zune HD is 16:9 I can see it being very, very attractive.
 
DELLsFan said:
M$ sure doesn't seem to care about the millions wasted trying to market their Zunes. Competition is great for the industry, yes - but Apple and the family of iPods just can't be beat.

The problem is ... Redmond chose not to care about the iPod in 2001 - when Apple released their first music player. The software Behemoth was quite busy with Windows XP at the time. It took an obscure nerd at the company years to convince them to release their own player. The first one finally released in late 2006; while Apple was on their 5th generation of the product.

Sorry, Microsoft. It wouldn't matter this late in the game if your Zunes were the better product. They could **** gold cuff links and it still wouldn't matter. iPods are recognized, tried, true, and successful. Stick with your OS, Office, and the XBOX 360 instead of pet projects like the Zune, folks. Your shareholders will thank you for it.

:apple:
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I aggree with you . Ms has a operating system, Office software, Business softwares ( like Ms Dynamics ), hardware, search engine, very popular messenger client, Live.com etc. I would focus on those things. From my understanding Zune was a failure . ( I never seen someone with Zune - maybe you have them in US-Canada )

I see MS's reason why they want to compete with iPod. iPod brings new customers to Apple . ( apps , music and sometimes Mac computers as well ) And if you get into the iPod + Mac trap ( this is how I call it from my experience ) you dont want to leave that convenience although you sometimes think Apple is the one of most greediest companies in the world.

If I were Ms I would support mp3 player makers to compete with Apple rather than producing my own.
 
Everyones blah blahing about the App store :rolleyes::apple:

Watch how Microsoft come out with support for free Apps. :eek::cool:
 
Mac Head said:
Everyones blah blahing about the App store :rolleyes::apple:

Watch how Microsoft come out with support for free Apps. :eek::cool:
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Actually, Microsoft was first to offer a development environment coupled with support and hosting for independently created applications on its Xbox console. Look up "XNA" and you'll find out about what Microsoft has done to encourage independent developers to produce video games for its machine.

Lots of features of the Community Games project are shared with Apple's iPhone App Store. XNA dates back to 2006, so it appears that it was Apple doing the following in this case.
 
I can write software for the Zune in C# and Microsoft gives away XNA Studio for free -- and does NOT ask a developer to sign an NDA.

They should start selling their stuff outside the US, though, if they really want to gain some momentum.

Just my personal two cents about the AppStore: It has become yet another reason for me NOT to buy another iSomething product from Apple anymore.

I would never have thought that I would say this about Microsoft, but after more than four years in Apple land, the Microsoft ecosystem really feels like The Free World when you compare it with the Apple world.
 
People forget that when the zune came out it had features that no ipod had, that only the iphone and touch recently got.

While the zune marketshare is low, people who have owned ipods and a zune seem to prefer the zune by a very large margin.

App store? There are been plenty of places to buy mobile apps for many years. And they don't need apples approval! handango.com is one of the most popular.

I do not own a zune, for the record. But if the accessories were there i'd have no problem buying one.
 
applecultvictim said:
hey what happened your img doesn't show up?!?!?!

Btw I thought it was funny without the picture as it meant from the people who brought us sweet f.a.
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hahah, yes, you have a point.

Anyway, also from the people who brought you:

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(sorry, it just never gets old as far as I am concerned, what were they thinking?)
 
Winni said:
I would never have thought that I would say this about Microsoft, but after more than four years in Apple land, the Microsoft ecosystem really feels like The Free World when you compare it with the Apple world.
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That's always been the case. Microsoft support for developers is amazing. Their main problem has been creating platforms that are technically good enough that people don't immediately puke when they look at them. Windows and the original XBox are good examples of when they pull it off. Technically pretty crappy platforms, but good enough that Microsoft could get developers to write for them. And as nice as it is having a great platform underneath your apps, it's ultimately the apps that sell the platform.

There's also irony in people saying Microsoft should stick to things like the XBox. The XBox is the perfect example of what they could pull off with the Zune. The technical quality of the original XBox was laughable, but they got developers for it. So even with a crappy platform, MS plowed their way into an established market to come out as a powerful competitor.

Remember folks, it's about the apps. And the apps are all about...I'll let monkey boy say it. Microsoft doesn't get much right, but the one thing they get right is the only thing they need to get right.
 
The Zune is still out there???? Hummm.... surprising!

Can you say "App Store"? Good luck MS! Time to follow the leader again!

You'd think they come up with some original thought at some point! Oh wait... they did! HD on a 4 inch screen! Wow man! It's so small but so darn clear! LOL!

Oh... I see the commercials now... Here's $224.95... now go buy a touch based MP3 player.... oh... the Apple iPod Touch is too expensive... but I can get this slick Zune for only $219.95! LOL! "I'm cheap, that's why I'm a Zune"! LOL!
 
Before I start, let me clarify that I am indeed a mac user, and I have numerous iPods.
I also have four PCs, and a Zune.

So I'm not biased, and I'm not a fanboy.

The fact that you people are mocking, complaining, and picking faults in a product which hasn't even been released yet - is down right preposterous.

You people seem to forget that Microsoft are market leaders in software - so all these comments about how 'bad' the Zune software (both PC software, and device software), is just wrong. It's without reason. You're just wrong. End of story.

Microsoft know what they're doing. It's not like they're some small, knowledge-less company.

They really are good competition for Apple, in the media device market. Don't give me this survey sh**. It's a load of tosh. I know for a fact that '100% of teenagers' do not want iPods.

I think It's bloody marvellous to see Microsoft enter the touch-screen device market, and I also think it's great that we now have even more variety of devices out there.

It makes me laugh how some of you people only buy apple products, because you have this strange obsession with anything that has their little Apple logo on it.

Don't restrict yourselves to certain products. What's wrong with trying others? Other *good* products, like Zune.

We don't need immaturity here. What's wrong with good discussion, without just plain bashing of a product? Just because this is macrumors, doesn't mean that you can't just say 'You know what, that does actually look quite good. I'd like to see this improve, I'd like to see some good features.'

Stop with the fanboy-ism. It's beyond silly, now.
 
Jacqueclaude said:
You know, you mac fanboys really do make me puke in my mouth a little.

Before I start, let me clarify that I am indeed a mac user, and I have numerous iPods.
I also have four PCs, and a Zune.

So I'm not biased, and I'm not a fanboy.

The fact that you people are mocking, complaining, and picking faults in a product which hasn't even been released yet - is down right preposterous.

You people seem to forget that Microsoft are market leaders in software - so all these comments about how 'bad' the Zune software (both PC software, and device software), is just wrong. It's without reason. You're just wrong. End of story.

Microsoft know what they're doing. It's not like they're some small, knowledge-less company.

They really are good competition for Apple, in the media device market. Don't give me this survey sh**. It's a load of tosh. I know for a fact that '100% of teenagers' do not want iPods.

I think It's bloody marvellous to see Microsoft enter the touch-screen device market, and I also think it's great that we now have even more variety of devices out there.

It makes me laugh how some of you people only buy apple products, because you have this strange obsession with anything that has their little Apple logo on it.

Don't restrict yourselves to certain products. What's wrong with trying others? Other *good* products, like Zune.

We don't need immaturity here. What's wrong with good discussion, without just plain bashing of a product? Just because this is macrumors, doesn't mean that you can't just say 'You know what, that does actually look quite good. I'd like to see this improve, I'd like to see some good features.'

Stop with the fanboy-ism. It's beyond silly, now.
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"Microsoft know what they are doing."

I LOL'd hard at that. Thanks. ;)
 
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