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iPod Zune Out

aussie_geek said:
The only way Zune will sell at the moment is the fact at first glance it has more stuff than the current model iPod.

Just imagine in a department store:

Customer " I want to buy an MP3 player"
Rep " Yes - here we have an iPod and here we have a new product from MICROSOFT called the Zune"
Customer " what's the difference between them?"
Rep " The zune has everything the iPod has etc but it has more stuff too like........"
Customer " How much is it?"
Rep " Same as an iPod".
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You keep saying the Zune offers "more" than the iPod but you're overlooking the last part of that conversation:

Customer: "Cool, so what games can you get for the Zune?"
Rep: "Oh, it doesn't do games like the iPod."
Customer: "I can put my address book and calendar on it though, right?"
Rep: "Ummm, no. It can't do that either."
Customer: "Notes?"
Rep: "Nope"
Customer: "I can at least use the Zune as a portable drive to transfer files?!?"
Rep: "That would also be a no."
Customer: "Well, how much does a song cost from the online store?"
Rep: "79 points."
Customer: "Points?"
Rep: "You buy a block of 400 points for $5 and they deduct 79 from that for each song you buy."
Customer: "But what happens if I don't use all my points?"
Rep: "Microsoft gets your money"
Customer: "Not if I buy an iPod they don't."

I really don't feel the Zune is the feature winner against the iPod. Yea, some may be swayed by the bigger screen but the whole point thing is going to be a Zune-killer.
 
Still trying to figure out how to get videos onto this Zune. So far I can't transfer any recorded tv from my Windows Media Center. LAME!
 
aussie_geek said:
...Customer " I want to buy an MP3 player"...
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But, that's not what the average consumer says, instead they say "I need an iPod" because that's what their friends have, that's what their kid wants, that's what they've work great dozens of times. It's really the same dynamic that helps the Microsoft OS when someone wants a new computer.

The main customer for the Zune is the person who just doesn't want an iPod. I'm convinced that feature-itis is a real problem that actually scares customers rather than helping them choose between one product or another.
 
840quadra said:
I was extremely pissed that the iPod 5g did not come with screen mirroring for menu functions when you are connected to an external screen. That and the fact of the remote being 100% worthless for menu navigation in the first place!

It was only when I became aware of the pending iTV that this made some sense to me. Why would anyone buy an iTV when you can navigate menus, select music, pictures, notes, or videos to view on your TV screen with an iPod using the Universal dock and remote?

Regardless of that, It still bothers me that these features are not built into the iPod 5G. The hardware is there, why not enable or add these features with a firmware update!?!?
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Thats a very good point. That is ridiculous now that I think about it, even if the iTV is coming out. Apple, I hope you're reading this (doubted though).
 
Problem is - many people have 1,000s of songs in iTunes.

They can't use them with the Zune.

Furthermore, I have know idea how this thing handles podcasts - if at all.

I know many people who really enjoy listening to these.

The funiest quote was on the software, I think it was from cnet. The reviewer commented that after having 5 years to study iTunes the "Zune software and the Zune Marketplace are more Kazakhstan than Cupertino".
 
elppa said:
"Zune software and the Zune Marketplace are more Kazakhstan than Cupertino".
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"Hello, my name is Borat, I get a window from glass, he gets a window from glass, I get a step, he gets a step. I get an iPod, he gets a Zune :D. Great success."

Fits perfect- I loved that movie.
 
you must all remember that this isn't even really microsoft. they just got toshiba to modify a gigabeat s, give it a different name, and slap a mircosoft logo on it. im so very proud of you microsoft:D
 
scotthew1 said:
you must all remember that this isn't even really microsoft. they just got toshiba to modify a gigabeat s, give it a different name, and slap a mircosoft logo on it. im so very proud of you microsoft:D
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the zune has it's own logo
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elppa said:
Furthermore, I have know idea how this thing handles podcasts - if at all.
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Podcasts are just audio feeds, or casts, someone just put iPod in front, took away the 'i' and podcasts were born. If they end up in MS's Zune store (or whatever) the may be called 'Zunecasts'.
 
monke said:
Podcasts are just audio feeds, or casts, someone just put iPod in front, took away the 'i' and podcasts were born. If they end up in MS's Zune store (or whatever) the may be called 'Zunecasts'.
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I know, but people still won't be able to listen to their existing podcasts on a zune...

Or any for the first few months any until Microsoft updates their market place software.
 
monke said:
Podcasts are just audio feeds, or casts, someone just put iPod in front, took away the 'i' and podcasts were born. If they end up in MS's Zune store (or whatever) the may be called 'Zunecasts'.
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Even while showcased in places other then itunes, they're called podcasts.

PS: "podcast" came from "iPod" and "broadcasting"
 
Detlev_73 said:
"Zune will only play protected content from Microsoft's new Zune Marketplace. Curiously, Zune is not compatible with previous Windows Media Player based music stores (such as Napster). "

This implies that if you have music on your computer that was NOT downloaded from M$'s Zune Marketplace, you can't play it. So, what's the point? I hope that there is a VERY liberal return policy on these things, or M$ will get A LOT of bad publicity. Who the heck would buy the Zune if they couldn't play music that they already had NOT bought through the Marketplace?!

I'd like to see the results of a reliable study that investigates what percentage of the total music out there on iPods and other MP3 players is actually paid for. Anyone know of a link?
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You misinterpreted the quote. The key word is that the Zune will only play *protected* content from the Zune marketplace. Unprotected content (e.g. MP3s that you've ripped from your CDs) will play just fine. What this means is that Microsoft's "PlaysForSure" stores (e.g. Rhapsody, Yahoo Music, Napster, and I think MTV Urge) *won't* play on a Zune. Sucks for people that actually bothered to buy music from Napster or the other "PlaysForSure" stores and want a Zune.

P.S. even if I was anti-iPod, I just don't see the appeal of the Zune. I would be much more excited about things like Cingular Music, or the Rhapsody/BestBuy/SanDisk alliance. The Zune isn't even the best non-Ipod MP3 player out there!!!
 
appleintelrock said:
Even while showcased in places other then itunes, they're called podcasts.

PS: "podcast" came from "iPod" and "broadcasting"
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I figured they were called podcasts everywhere else, but also figured MS will change all this.

elppa said:
I know, but people still won't be able to listen to their existing podcasts on a zune...

Or any for the first few months any until Microsoft updates their market place software.
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They still should be able to listen on the Zune, unless it can't handle the file type. :confused:
 
monke said:
I figured they were called podcasts everywhere else, but also figured MS will change all this.



They still should be able to listen on the Zune, unless it can't handle the file type. :confused:
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I hope they don't change "mp3" to "ms3"
 
monke said:
Podcasts are just audio feeds, or casts, someone just put iPod in front, took away the 'i' and podcasts were born. If they end up in MS's Zune store (or whatever) the may be called 'Zunecasts'.
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Or as some are saying, "Netcasts."

Personally, I like the Podcast term, just like Xerox for making a copy, whether it runs on a Mac, PC, iPod or Zune.
 
elppa said:
Problem is - many people have 1,000s of songs in iTunes.

They can't use them with the Zune.
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Hahahaha!!! This is awesome!!! Apple is the Microsoft of the Music Biz :D

Now nobody will use non-iPods because their afraid their MP3s won't play on a music player that isn't the iPod. It's too funny. It's just like the Mac-phobia that PC users have always had, except this time Apple is the 800-pound gorilla so the bias and misinformation are working in its favor.

For the record: The Zune plays MP3s, not to mention AAC and WMA files. It just can't play songs purchased from the iTunes store. There are very, very few people that have purchased 1000s of songs from the iTunes store. In fact, 22 songs have been sold on iTunes for every iPod sold. The vast majority of music people have in their iTunes collection are from ripping CDs or...other means...
 
zephead said:
Well to be fair, you have to take into consideration that Vista is still not in its final version.
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Vista's been sent to manufacturing. It's being rolled out to corporate clients this month.

The general public isn't going to get it till next year though.
 
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