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Ok, I have f..ed with this zune all night long and it SUCKS. Getting videos on it is a nightmare. The zune software is just flat out broken. Tons of bugs. It converts EVERY single video file I put on it regardless of what format its in and it takes forever. The player is nice but the software is lame. The only reason I got it was to put my massive MCE recorded tv shows library on it but it WON'T do that. Microsoft, you SUCK.

Taking this thing back tomorrow. Uhhgg.
 
Thats a 4G iPod....I saw that 3G on the title, and stopped reading/ People need to have the basic facts down, then they can give an opinion(and have me take it seriously)
You are right. It does say 4G in the post.
 
It is sort of the question of owning a house verses renting a house. In the end, while there are some advantages to renting, there are much greater advantages to owning.

That's a really bad analogy. Buying a house is good because it's an *investment*, that has value to *other* people. Music, on the other hand, has no such comparable transfer/resale value, and certainly not one that would increase over time.

So forget the analogies and let's actually consider what we're actually comparing here. We're comparing buying songs for $0.99 apiece, vs. a subscription service of $15/month or so. So over a year, the subscription costs you $180. On iTunes, that would buy you 18 albums. Not a bad number at all, except that on a subscription service you will probably download a *lot* more than 18 albums in the course of a year.

Are there switching costs if you cancel your subscription? Sure there are - you have to spend some time downloading all the songs again. But in my opinion this switching cost is vastly outweighed by the benefits of subscription.
 
Zune and Windows Vista

I dont know if anyone else said this or not but according to Appleinsider.com the Microsoft Zune Player is not compatible with Windows Vista due to Microsoft's "need" to release Zune in time for the holidays
 
I dont know if anyone else said this or not but according to Appleinsider.com the Microsoft Zune Player is not compatible with Windows Vista due to Microsoft's "need" to release Zune in time for the holidays

It's been discussed.

Oh man, this just keeps getting better and better...

AppleInsider shows Zune is incompatible with Vista

Did MS let the work-experience kid come up with this whole thing?

Well to be fair, you have to take into consideration that Vista is still not in its final version.

M$ is shipping the final version of Vista to major PC makers as we speak

Vista's been sent to manufacturing. It's being rolled out to corporate clients this month.

The general public isn't going to get it till next year though.
 
And what's with using the most lampooned colour that there is - brown?

I can't think of a more fitting name for a brown music player than the Brown Note.

Spread the meme.

Let's think of some new marketing slogans. A few candidates:

Zune - it's so good you'll !$%* your pants.
Zune - Drop off your Inner DJ's at the pool
You're sliding into first, and you feel a sudden need-to-share-music-with-strangers-in-a-needlessly-complex-fashion - Zune
Zune - Hiiiii-Deeee-Hooooo music lovers!
Zune - welcome to the Social .... ewww, what kind of social involves lots of brown? You people are sick.
DRM. DRRRRM. DRRRRRRMMMMM. DRRRRRRRRRRRRMMMMMMMMMM.... Zune. - eat your veggies.

The simple notions of " Bigger is better" and " more for your money" will unfortunately come into effect when considering to buy this product.

Often yes, but not for something you intend to carry in your pocket. One only needs to look at cell phone trends to confirm this.
 
That's a really bad analogy. Buying a house is good because it's an *investment*, that has value to *other* people. Music, on the other hand, has no such comparable transfer/resale value, and certainly not one that would increase over time.

So forget the analogies and let's actually consider what we're actually comparing here. We're comparing buying songs for $0.99 apiece, vs. a subscription service of $15/month or so. So over a year, the subscription costs you $180. On iTunes, that would buy you 18 albums. Not a bad number at all, except that on a subscription service you will probably download a *lot* more than 18 albums in the course of a year.

Are there switching costs if you cancel your subscription? Sure there are - you have to spend some time downloading all the songs again. But in my opinion this switching cost is vastly outweighed by the benefits of subscription.
If your subscription lapses, not only do you have to spend time downloading the songs again, you don't even have access to them without purchasing them from another source. You can't legally make DRM-free copies to keep if you cancel your subscription. So, if you have 200 songs that you "must have", you will have to either continue your subscription or buy them somewhere else. I don't know about you, but I prefer to keep a copy of the songs I like, I don't change my musical taste every month. And I don't buy 180 songs a year (that would be 1 new song every 2 days).

Anyway, I wouldn't trust a music service that failed to support any of its predecessors' subscribers. How would you feel if you couldn't play any songs purchased under iTunes 6 when you upgraded to iTunes 7? Ironic that the previous Microsoft format was called "Plays For Sure". And what's Microsoft's points system? Just a way to fool consumers into thinking they're spending less money than they really are. There's really no other point to it.

Finally, there's really only one iPod that the Zune can be reasonably compared to, the 30 GB Video iPod, arguably the poorest value of any iPod. The Zune lacks the capacity of the 80 GB, and lacks the compactness of the Nano and the Shuffle. So I don't see the current model as being much of the anticipated "iPod killer".

BTW, I hear Microsoft is also planning to produce a phone next year. With the XBox and the Zune, is Microsoft planning to call it the Yax to keep with the end-of-the-alphabet theme?
 
Umm...so? The value I get from music is from *listening* to it, not from *owning* it. I would much, much, much rather pay $15/month for unlimited music.

And so what if the music dissapears if I decide to, for example, switch providers from Rhapsody to Napster or something? All the subscription services have more or less the same catalog of songs, so the next time you think of a song that you want to play, you can quickly search your new provider for the song, and in a few seconds you can be downloading the whole album. And since the song starts playing almost immediately while you're downloading it, it's almost as if it was already in your library.

Sheesh, all you people criticizing subscription services have no idea what you're talking about. I've taken Yahoo Music, Napster, and Rhapsody for a test run, so I can fairly compare them against each other and also to the iTunes store. And honestly, the whole, "your music dissapears" issue was just not a factor. It's just a total paradigm shift.

Think of it this way: in the time it takes you to search through your library to find a song/album and play it, you can search on a subscription service for *every song ever made* (ok, not really of course, but still, we're talking about millions of songs), and be playing that very same song/album in about the same time. In one case you're searching your own relatively limited music collection, in another case you're searching a catalog of millions of songs. The end result is the same: within a few seconds you're playing the song. And by the time the song finishes playing, in both cases it will be in your hard drive.

Also, the "custom radio station" feature is fantastic for music discovery. If you've used Pandora you know what I'm talking about. But the thing is, with a subscription service, you can copy that song to your library at no additional incremental cost. You don't have to pay an additional $0.99 cents to download that cool song that you've never heard before. You've already paid a flat subscritpion rate, so you're much, much more likely to take a chance and download that song you just heard, because the only cost is another 5MB or so on your hard drive. And not necessarily even that, because you can also "bookmark" a song which means it will *only* play in streaming mode (and thus only when your are connected to the internet).

Believe me, it may not happen this year or the next, but eventually subscriptions *will* be the dominant model. It's just too good a deal for the consumer for it not to happen.

it's your choice what it is. if you like, go ahead. I don't care. but subscription has the same DRM as MS offers. unfortunately the service from other like napster, Rhapsody WILL NOT PLAY on zune because MS is dumped all play for sure platform. it's only zune, stupid marketplace.
 
From CNN review:
"For those who have long lists of albums or artists, the Zune aids in rapid scrolling by showing a large letter of the alphabet, letting you know, for example, that you've reached the R section."

The writer may not know that this is a straight rip-off from iPod since iPod has had this feature for some time now. Just try scrolling fast through the songs list.
 
From CNN review:
"For those who have long lists of albums or artists, the Zune aids in rapid scrolling by showing a large letter of the alphabet, letting you know, for example, that you've reached the R section."

The writer may not know that this is a straight rip-off from iPod since iPod has had this feature for some time now. Just try scrolling fast through the songs list.

Well, to be fair it was present on the Zune first. Pre-production units had this capability before it was announced on the iPod. But, like Spotlight, Apple was able to adapt quickly and introduce it before Microsoft and make the feature something everybody expects - eliminating MS's ability to hype said feature.
 
That's a really bad analogy. Buying a house is good because it's an *investment*, that has value to *other* people. Music, on the other hand, has no such comparable transfer/resale value, and certainly not one that would increase over time.

So forget the analogies and let's actually consider what we're actually comparing here. We're comparing buying songs for $0.99 apiece, vs. a subscription service of $15/month or so. So over a year, the subscription costs you $180. On iTunes, that would buy you 18 albums. Not a bad number at all, except that on a subscription service you will probably download a *lot* more than 18 albums in the course of a year.

Are there switching costs if you cancel your subscription? Sure there are - you have to spend some time downloading all the songs again. But in my opinion this switching cost is vastly outweighed by the benefits of subscription.

Effectively, with Rhapsody and others, the album goes back to radio play or cable service, except I can time-shift and place-shift the media. And this sounds great, but the reality of the service is a lot of work, a lot of time and money for nothing. Not to mention $15 a month for poorly encoded WMA files.
The real problem with subscription services is the games the RIAA plays, you can't burn files to a CD, you are limited by file the numbers of computers you can have the music on, you have to connect your computer and player to the Internet every 30 days, the DRM server fails to work, and they don't work on the Mac. Forget the iPod, if something doesn't work on the Mac, I don't care about it because the company has, in my mind, made a concious choice to ignore me and I'll do the same.
Blaming the iPod is a convenient, if a little truthful, excuse.

Personally, I like eMusic, which is a nice hybrid. Yes, I pay a monthly fee, but I can download larger numbers of files which are unencumbered by DRM. For the same $15, I can get 65 files which I can burn and play as I wish.

When you bought an LP or a CD, you 'owned' music. This is increasingly less true, but the current subcription services require too many sacrifices of this older model to work for me.
 
It's a pity that Apple didn't release the craved for video iPod today. Now that would have taken a hugh bite out of MS' Zune announcement.

I reckon we'll see it early next year. Apple will ride the wave of product maturity this Christmas buying season and then re-invigorate the line with the first REAL revision to the iPod line since it's introduction in 2001.

And boy is it going to be sweet. I won't be buying one though unless the next six weeks (that contain both my birthday and Christmas) don't bring forth a 5.5G iPod. If a new iPod isn't forthcoming I'll be all over the next iPod like white on rice.
 
Zune install - sucks, but doesn't have to

After reading the engadget post on installing the software and seeing how bad the marketing slogans were, I've come up with some ideas M$ could use to improve the whole "Zune experience". OK, I didn't actually come up with them, I got them from Joe Dirt.

first take any crappy slogan for the Zune and put the word DUDE at the end.
It finishes their sentence for them and better targets their demographic.

So release your inner dj becomes release your inner dj dude.

welcome to the social dude, etc.

I've started a complete makeover of the engadget/zune install post using other Dirte-isms dude - check it.
 
Well, to be fair it was present on the Zune first. Pre-production units had this capability before it was announced on the iPod. But, like Spotlight, Apple was able to adapt quickly and introduce it before Microsoft and make the feature something everybody expects - eliminating MS's ability to hype said feature.

Where did you hear this? Wasn't this present on all the iPod Videos, or did this come during a software update?

If this is true, Apple smells a little sweeter, they can pull an idea from a pre-production unit, figure it out, and then add it into their own product before Microsoft can finish the original system. Now that's wicked.
 
Where did you hear this? Wasn't this present on all the iPod Videos, or did this come during a software update?

If this is true, Apple smells a little sweeter, they can pull an idea from a pre-production unit, figure it out, and then add it into their own product before Microsoft can finish the original system. Now that's wicked.

It first came on the 5.5G iPods released in September this year - it was added to the first lot of 5G iPods via the software update to 1.2 that also enabled the older models to playback the new higher quality video content and games.

The large letter device for scrolling had been shown on the Zune before the 5.5G iPod was released.

It is pretty cool.
 
Ok, I have f..ed with this zune all night long and it SUCKS. Getting videos on it is a nightmare. The zune software is just flat out broken. Tons of bugs. It converts EVERY single video file I put on it regardless of what format its in and it takes forever. The player is nice but the software is lame. The only reason I got it was to put my massive MCE recorded tv shows library on it but it WON'T do that. Microsoft, you SUCK.

Taking this thing back tomorrow. Uhhgg.

Remember this and tell everyone you know, Microsoft uses early-adopters as beta testers. Anyone who insists on ignoring this is a masochist.

Chundles said:
It first came on the 5.5G iPods released in September this year - it was added to the first lot of 5G iPods via the software update to 1.2 that also enabled the older models to playback the new higher quality video content and games.

The large letter device for scrolling had been shown on the Zune before the 5.5G iPod was released.

It is pretty cool.

I hadn't realized that until now, my iPod had that ability out of the box so I wasn't sure. Thanks for the info. That was easier than digging through the iPod Updater notes.

The reviewer is wrong though, he makes it sound as if the iPod lacks this ability entirely.
 
As I said before on another forum, I finally understood the logic behind selling a brown colored Zune player, and it's very simple really...
Isn't sh*t usually brown?? :p

on that brown note...
Did anyone else notice something strange about the marketing photos and events that ms has released?
In almost every zune promo shot there's a token black person (or more often than not, people).
I know it happens all the time in promo materials...but could there be a connection with the brown zune?

They seem to have paid alot of black artists to play at their events, too.
(or is bill's street cred just so heavy that they all did it as a solid?)

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