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2011 Macbook Pro 13 - many beachballs with 510 SSD

mac jones said:
I'm not sure what you mean. I have a 17" and it doesn't work, and that link you show is the cable in mine (which doesn't work), for $39 +shipping.

I would not go that route as the answer most likely is a firmware update.(it always is).

Anyway, if it is the cable then none of them are up to spec and the ones that do work are a fluke (variations in manufacturing).

But I don't know, i'm just guessing. Perhaps you are much more knowledgable about this (I hope so as i'm clueless) :D

BTW, there's another MBP (13") coming to the house in a couple days so i'll test it in that. If that works, then the whole thing is screwy.
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I'm not an expert either, just so desperate and trying to resolve this issue since I know based on my experience with apple they never fix anything unless its being reported by most media sites and most users are being affected by it.

I hope its a firmware update, I really do. But the reports that its working with some people make me wonder if its really just a firmware issue, I know that software and firmware would be 100% the same with all machines, but hardware would never be the same.

well, lets just wait and see how it goes:rolleyes:
 
I have two C300's in a RAID 0 in my late 2008 MBP. The speeds seem okay, but the boot time is almost a minute. I've set the startup disk, reset PRAM and SMC. I'm not sure what's going on, but I don't reboot that often, so I can live with it for now.
 

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Weaselboy said:
Just installed a 120GB Intel 510 SSD in my 2011 13" MBP and it is working perfectly.

I removed the OEM HD and installed the new SSD then did a SMC reset and booted from the OEM HD in a USB enclosure. Then ran Disk Util and partitioned the SSD and used Carbon Copy Cloner to move everything to the SSD. I shutdown and disconnected the USB drive and started off the SSD. Went to System Profile and the SSD is linked at SATAIII 6gbps. I set the new SSD as the Startup Disk then started again. Everything seems to work just fine.

Posted below are the XBench scores on the SSD.

Code: 
Disk Test	336.16	
		Sequential	214.06	
			Uncached Write	199.20	122.31 MB/sec [4K blocks]
			Uncached Write	320.29	181.22 MB/sec [256K blocks]
			Uncached Read	112.53	32.93 MB/sec [4K blocks]
			Uncached Read	603.17	303.15 MB/sec [256K blocks]
		Random	782.48	
			Uncached Write	601.20	63.64 MB/sec [4K blocks]
			Uncached Write	514.06	164.57 MB/sec [256K blocks]
			Uncached Read	2091.92	14.82 MB/sec [4K blocks]
			Uncached Read	975.34	180.98 MB/sec [256K blocks]

Here is a link to the XBench score if you want to use it to compare to other systems.

I disabled the sudden motion sensor just because it appealed to the OCD part of me, but I was not having any problems with it enabled.

I set the machine to sleep after one minute and let it go to sleep on its own. Hit the space bar and it woke right up no problems. So apparently no sleep crash bug.

Overall I am quite happy with the IntelSSD install. From the test results, there are probably SATAII drives that cost less and will give close to the same test results (and probably no perceivable difference in actual use), but based on all the good reports from users of Intels previous SSD lines I figured it was worth a little extra money to have a stable system. Also, the fact that Intel provides a boot CD that works for Mac firmware upgrades appealed to me. I had a OWC SSD in my 2008 MBP that worked fine except the sleep bug and it bothered me Sandforce has still not fixed this nor have they or OWC provided a Mac solution for firmware upgrades.
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thank you very much!!!!! just followed the instruction, and bam! my intel 510 is working. it was so straightforward.
 
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i got a 2011 new model 2.3ghz 8gb ram 750gb HD, high res, anti glare
also got the new intel 510 ssd 250gb


put in SSD, installed fresh install from dvd, no error, 40min install time
no problems


SATA2 speed so i do the reset, it goes to SATA3 speed ;)

BUT!.... it does freeze in heavy use, (fusion, photoshop etc., either freeze with mouse still working or 100% freeze...
 
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sacraments said:
i got a 2011 new model 2.3ghz 8gb ram 750gb HD, high res, anti glare
also the got the new intel 510 ssd 250gb


put in SSD, installed fresh install from dvd, no error, 40min install time
no problems


SATA2 speed so i do the reset, it goes to SATA3 speed ;)

BUT!.... it does freeze in heavy use, (fusion, photoshop etc., either freeze with mouse still working or 100% freeze...
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That's a 15"? Must be (hi res version).

So now we can add the 15" to the list.

I'm actually very happy about this because they will be forced now to fix it. (sorry) :D

Note: As far as i'm concerned, this is the only 6gbps drive I will buy. I have two OCZ drives (original Vertex) that are really great. The problem is, in researching the Vertex 3 , I came opon some disturbing info about OCZ. Apparently, they did a silent update to their new SDDs that DRASTICALLY reduces both their speed and reliability (mostly reliability) . In other words, they started selling junk with the the exact same model numbers as the good drives they had built their reputation on. Well they can kiss their reputation goodbye. IMHO
 
same problems here

13inch Macbook Pro early 2011 i5
8GB RAM (factory built in; Hynix)
Intel 510 SSD 250GB

Several attempts at getting the 510 to work in my MBP:

First attempt)
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1) Customized original Mac OS install on builtin 320GB HDD
2) put 510 in external USB enclosure and partitioned it (1 partition / whole drive)
3) cloned contents from internal HDD to external USB-SSD via Carbon Copy Cloner
4) replaced stock HDD with SSD in macbook pro and tried to boot

-> Result: Bootup took several minutes; nothing working properly; system log showed loads of hard disk related errors

Second attempt)
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1) SMC reset http://support.apple.com/kb/ht3964
2) PRAM reset http://support.apple.com/kb/ht1379
3) Booted installer from Mac OS DVD
4) Repartitioned internal SSD drive (again 1 partition / whole drive; capacity only 249,72 GB now - IIRC it was >= 250GB on first partitioning via usb enclosure)
5) Reinstalled Mac OS X

-> Result: Seemed to work without problems but I didn't do long term test (doubt it would have worked long time - see below)

6) Booted from original 320GB HDD via external USB closure
7) Repartitioned and reformatted internal SSD drive once more (1 partition / whole drive again)
8) Cloned external USB HDD to new partition on internal SSD and set it as boot device
9) disabled SMS

-> Result: Everything seemed to work fine for two days, but today I had beach balling and a stuck system after wake up (opening the lid), without system load. Had to power it off an on again. Disabled 'put the hd to sleep' energy saver afterwards.
Worked for some time but a few hours later again problems. This time under heavy load (VMWare, database,...). Managed to look at the system log - said someting like 'media is not connected' repeatedly. Seems to work after two hard resetts now, but some data may be corrupt.
 
macchiato2009 said:
MBP 13" i7 just received

works like a charm with my Crucial C300 64 Gb SSD :)
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Seems like this is a safe bet. I'm considering getting that for my 2011 15 incher, but I don't know if I should spring for the 128GB. Besides the OS, is it a good idea to install other apps using the SSD, such as Final Cut Pro or CS5? Just curious.
 
Latest attempt: Macbook 2011 13"

Did all the above. Discovered that these drives work fine in Sata 2. As soon as it negotiates the higher Sata 3 (or whatever it's properly called), it fails.

So i'm using this drive now in an Optibay. Problem solved, until we get this worked out. (what a ****** waste of money ) :D

Note: DVD /Optibay only works at Sata 2 so i'm good.
 
Update:

I've just tried a brand new Crucial C300.

Same problem, actually much worse.
 
ptsube said:
I have two C300's in a RAID 0 in my late 2008 MBP. The speeds seem okay, but the boot time is almost a minute. I've set the startup disk, reset PRAM and SMC. I'm not sure what's going on, but I don't reboot that often, so I can live with it for now.
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Your startup times are higher, because you are using software Raid 0. In order for that to work, the drivers need to load and then initialize the array, etc... This is why a dual Raid setup in a MBP is actually longer than a single SSD boot.

A minute seems a bit excessive, but not out of the realm of possibility. It's the trade off you are making for the Raid performance. And how often do you reboot anyways? I mean, I reboot every week or so, but I have gone weeks and even a month between reboots. Indeed sub 15 second boot times are nice, but definitely overhyped on these forums. The real benefit is the "instant on" feel once you are booted up, app launching, etc.
 
The Intel 510 works great in SATA 2 on these new machines as I have one in the Optibay (DVD slot) which runs at the lower SATA 2 (Apple limited it to this, for some reason).

Also, I read a post, where someone said that theirs run ok in Bootcamp but not in OS X.

If this is the case, it's actually good news, as it would definitely be an OS X issue, and we would only need an simple OS update.

But one thing is for sure; it could run in the new Macbooks, either with a firmware or OS X update (firmware to adjust the SATA controller; to either fix the 6 Gbps or limit it to a SATA 2), or a simple OS X patch.

But look at this logically. Apple releases a new line with new SATA controllers. The new controllers do 6Gbps. Apple's own SSDs don't do 6 gbps but are limited to SATA 2. These work fine so Apple is happy. But the problem is, the notebooks are clearly user upgradable, and anyone who puts a new (new is the key word here) SSD in them will find that they will 'automatically' switch to 6bps with a reset (as new SSD are all going to be this way). Problem is, OS X doesn't work correctly with 6 gbps , so ALL of the user installed SSD's will fail.

Bottom line is: Apple needs to fix this, like yesterday. Either that, or warn people that although their Macbooks allow the user to instal a hard drive, they are limited to rotational media: NO SSD's....sorry. If Apple says "We only support our SSDs", which they may say at first, this tune will change if enough people complain.( Actually, I think it would be a mistake to acknowledge major incompatibilities do to laziness :D )

The funny thing about all of this is, the same thing went on with the SATA 1 to SATA 2 upgrade a while back. But this time around it's worse, as with the previous conversion the drives at least worked, but only at SATA 1. (as before, the issue is only with SSD's really, as they are the only drives that can effectively use the increased bandwidth ). It only took Apple a short while of listening to complaints, and 'presto' a patch. Everyone was happy. But they aren't going to do anything until we start complaining. Intel isn't going to do it for us. The squeaky wheel gets......

Oh yes and BTW, I wouldn't go out and buy one of those attractive Vertex 3's quite yet. For two reasons:

1) they probably wont work
2) OCZ are a bunch of.......
 
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mac jones said:
The Intel 510 works great in SATA 2 on these new machines as I have one in the Optibay (DVD slot) which runs at the lower SATA 2 (for some reason).
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This is by design. The chipset allows for Sata-III / II combination. Apple chose to use Sata-III for the primary disk, and Sata II controller for the Optibay / ODD.
 
1BadMac said:
This is by design. The chipset allows for Sata-III / II combination. Apple chose to use Sata-III for the primary disk, and Sata II controller for the Optibay / ODD.
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Yes thanks, I knew that. I just don't know why ;)

But thanks, I changed the wording, which is important to that post, I think.
 
I guess I'll have to skip the Intel 510 or Vertex 3 and just get an Apple SSD. :mad:

Who knows when this'll be fixed.....
 
johnhlaj said:
I just exchanged my MacBook and my 510 seems to be working perfectly now. I vaguely remember the RAM being on a green circuit board, I can't recall the make. But what I have now is HYNIX branded memory:



BANK 0/DIMM0:

Size: 2 GB
Type: DDR3
Speed: 1333 MHz
Status: OK
Manufacturer: 0x80AD
Part Number: 0x484D54333235533642465238432D48392020
Serial Number: 0x57259984

BANK 1/DIMM0:

Size: 2 GB
Type: DDR3
Speed: 1333 MHz
Status: OK
Manufacturer: 0x80AD
Part Number: 0x484D54333235533642465238432D48392020
Serial Number: 0x57459982


Can everyone with an intel 510 SSD please post this info from their system profiler. Just a place to start the comparison for troubleshooting what is causing this for so many people.

Be sure to include in your post if you are having any issues or not.
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Similar situation here. I originally had a 2011 13'' mbp i7 with green memory chips that died shortly after installing my c300. I had it replaced, the new one had blue chips. No issues since.
 
Guys, Finally I've solved the problem
:cool::cool::cool::cool::cool::cool::cool::cool::cool::cool::cool::cool:

Remember what I've said in this post:
bodaay said:
If you have access to any unibody 17" macbook pro, you can try swapping the Sata connector with that one. I've already ordered this
http://www.ifixit.com/MacBook-Parts/MacBook-Pro-17-Inch-Unibody-Hard-Drive-Cable/IF162-015
and waiting for the shipment. The installation should be very simple, its explained in details on iFixIT.

Maybe, according to what I read somewhere else that the sata connector could be inefficient(maybe they are using different brands into different batches) to deliver Sata III speeds. I'm just trying anything even if it doesn't make any sense :(

And I'm waiting for the C300 as well, which has same problems as intel 510 I think.

I'll keep you guys updated
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Guess what. I've replaced the cable with the one I've ordered from iFixIT
http://www.ifixit.com/MacBook-Parts/MacBook-Pro-17-Inch-Unibody-Hard-Drive-Cable/IF162-015

I've ordered last piece (lucky me) but you can search for apple part number.

My machine now running on Sata III and the speed just amaaaaaaaazing. No freeze, no beach balls, everything really smooth and faaaast. I've decided to stick to Crucial C300 since it was faster than Intel 510. Maybe I'll use intel in Opti-bay once I get the HDD enclosure.


Back to the cable problem, Note that This cable is different for each model size!!.

To help you guys (with 17" only), I've taken a picture of the original defective cable:


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And this is the one I've ordered from iFixIt and working with SATA III (I think its for 17" 2010 model)



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one thing, I couldn't open one of the screws. It was really tight that I've damaged the screw, check below pics:
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so I had to use a cutter and just cut that small part of the original cable to be able to install the new one. Original cable still working fine but I hope you don't face this problem.


Finally, some pictures from profiler and benchmarks using QuickBench
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I don't think a software update needed, and Apple will never acknowledge this problem if it is really hardware related.

For me this is what worked out for both intel 510 and Crucial C300

Good luck
 
Genius? :D

Anyway, thanks a million. If it is just this, that's that's (as you said).

The ONLY fix will be this.

Fortunately , it's no big deal.

Thing is to get a cable before they mark them up :D

thanks.
 
That IS interesting bodaay. It would explain why some of us have no problems and others do even with the same configuration. For example, in this thread Desanti and I both have 2011 13" MBP with Intel 510 SSD. Mine works perfectly and Desanti's is all jacked up.

Just for comparison, here is the same Quickbench test on my Intel 510.

Code: 
Transfer Size   Sequential Read   Sequential Write    Random Read      Random Write

   4 KBytes      33.740 MB/Sec     27.698 MB/Sec     15.425 MB/Sec     28.121 MB/Sec
   8 KBytes      60.841 MB/Sec     48.257 MB/Sec     32.479 MB/Sec     51.688 MB/Sec
  16 KBytes      105.250 MB/Sec    85.770 MB/Sec     55.218 MB/Sec     88.609 MB/Sec
  32 KBytes      164.943 MB/Sec    135.616 MB/Sec    91.372 MB/Sec     135.326 MB/Sec
  64 KBytes      224.997 MB/Sec    181.587 MB/Sec    140.072 MB/Sec    188.549 MB/Sec
 128 KBytes      265.273 MB/Sec    224.514 MB/Sec    158.920 MB/Sec    187.259 MB/Sec
 256 KBytes      310.916 MB/Sec    249.942 MB/Sec    188.515 MB/Sec    198.819 MB/Sec
 512 KBytes      263.133 MB/Sec    220.503 MB/Sec    215.689 MB/Sec    185.438 MB/Sec
1024 KBytes      284.329 MB/Sec    136.741 MB/Sec    304.169 MB/Sec    118.976 MB/Sec

Standard Ave     190.380 MB/Sec    145.625 MB/Sec    133.540 MB/Sec    131.420 MB/Sec


Extended Test Results:
Test Cycles: 5

Transfer Size        Extended Read      Extended Write

 20 MBytes           337.563 MB/Sec     119.959 MB/Sec
 30 MBytes           339.301 MB/Sec     119.114 MB/Sec
 40 MBytes           339.534 MB/Sec     120.449 MB/Sec
 50 MBytes           339.652 MB/Sec     119.629 MB/Sec
 60 MBytes           340.095 MB/Sec     120.526 MB/Sec
 70 MBytes           340.164 MB/Sec     119.327 MB/Sec
 80 MBytes           340.610 MB/Sec     120.224 MB/Sec
 90 MBytes           340.383 MB/Sec     119.707 MB/Sec
100 MBytes           340.478 MB/Sec     119.417 MB/Sec

Extended Ave         339.754 MB/Sec     119.817 MB/Sec
 
I just ordered the cable form another seller. No way i'm going to force a screw though. If it doesn't come off i'm just going to leave it. Right now it's in the Optibay giving fine performance at the somewhat slower speed.

Really it would be nice to have the 6gbps, but I can live with it the way it is.

Any more suggestions about the troublesome screw? Any advice?

thanks
 
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