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Yeah - just what we need. A lot of terribly tacky 70's-style disco/funk tracks on the iTunes Music Store...
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Yeah - just what we need. A lot of terribly tacky 70's-style disco/funk tracks on the iTunes Music Store...
Damn! I really wanted 128MB graphics for my iMac G5. I purchased my iMac just over a month ago and now they come out with a new iMac G5 with 128 graphics which leaves my stuck with 64MB. Anyone know if they will sell an upgrade kit for the graphics?
I don't need the 250 HD because 160 is enough, I've got Bluetooth (But what is this about Bluetooth 2.0?), I got Tiger on Pre-Order, Already have iLife 05, and 200MHz added in speed is nothing to complain about. I just need those 128 graphics!
I don't need the 250 HD because 160 is enough, I've got Bluetooth (But what is this about Bluetooth 2.0?), I got Tiger on Pre-Order, Already have iLife 05, and 200MHz added in speed is nothing to complain about. I just need those 128 graphics!
So wait... my 15 inch PowerBook has a better graphics card than the next revision of PowerMacs? I don't get that...
And for those of you defending CPU driven core image, well, I don't see the big deal in that. Using the GPU makes pretty much everything realtime, whereas using the CPU does not. The biggest draw with core image is its crazy realtime rendering.
Also, core image is promising things that make CPU speed irrelevant, I heard smooth scrolling in safari on a 12 inch PB somewhere (frickin' finally!), and remember those DVD encoding specs being thrown around earlier? sounds to me like hardware accelerated encoding will rape those stats.
Think about it, guys, why would we need a faster processor? Encoding? Rendering? That stuff will all be GPU now. Unless I'm mistaken, when I get Tiger, my Powerbook, even at 1.67 ghz, will still be able to run the next batch of Pro apps in realtime, encode video with quicktime stupid-fast (taking an hour to encode a dvd makes the 8x burner not so useful as it could, and finally, yes, finally, scroll smoothly in safari!
Of course, I may be stupid, and this thread is way long. I don't think that that rumor is spot on, I'm predicting a much better video card.
Oh and one last thing, in about a year, mac gaming will be utterly worthless, PC gaming will be just as worthless. The next batch of consoles will be out, pumping photorealistic graphics, and basically pwning computer gaming left and right. Doom III will look like ass. Halflife 2 will look like ass. If a 400 mhz cube can push Resident Evil 4 while my 1.67 notebook chugs at Halo, upwards of 8 ghz gaming machines are going to thoroughly spank any manner of dual dual core 3 ghz computers. Unless, of course, Apple does something magical with the opengl in Tiger (crosses fingers).
And for those of you defending CPU driven core image, well, I don't see the big deal in that. Using the GPU makes pretty much everything realtime, whereas using the CPU does not. The biggest draw with core image is its crazy realtime rendering.
Also, core image is promising things that make CPU speed irrelevant, I heard smooth scrolling in safari on a 12 inch PB somewhere (frickin' finally!), and remember those DVD encoding specs being thrown around earlier? sounds to me like hardware accelerated encoding will rape those stats.
Think about it, guys, why would we need a faster processor? Encoding? Rendering? That stuff will all be GPU now. Unless I'm mistaken, when I get Tiger, my Powerbook, even at 1.67 ghz, will still be able to run the next batch of Pro apps in realtime, encode video with quicktime stupid-fast (taking an hour to encode a dvd makes the 8x burner not so useful as it could, and finally, yes, finally, scroll smoothly in safari!
Of course, I may be stupid, and this thread is way long. I don't think that that rumor is spot on, I'm predicting a much better video card.
Oh and one last thing, in about a year, mac gaming will be utterly worthless, PC gaming will be just as worthless. The next batch of consoles will be out, pumping photorealistic graphics, and basically pwning computer gaming left and right. Doom III will look like ass. Halflife 2 will look like ass. If a 400 mhz cube can push Resident Evil 4 while my 1.67 notebook chugs at Halo, upwards of 8 ghz gaming machines are going to thoroughly spank any manner of dual dual core 3 ghz computers. Unless, of course, Apple does something magical with the opengl in Tiger (crosses fingers).
As I said earlier, I don't think performance is the problem, it's the likely price. However, someone just made a post in another forum that suggested the following prices:
Dual 2.0GHz at $1500
Dual 2.3GHz at $2000
Dual 2.7GHz at $2500
If Apple could do that (or more simply, if they would be willing to do that) then these rumored Power Mac specs don't look nearly as bad. Consider getting a dual processor 2GHz G5 for only $1500 -- that's a very nice price point.
Then, as was also suggested by someone, when the dual-core 970MPs ship Apple will be able to offer a single-processor dual-core system at $1500 and dual processor, dual core systems at prices back up to $3000+. If this is Apple's plan, then I think they have an answer for the short term to counter the new dual-core PCs.
Dual 2.0GHz at $1500
Dual 2.3GHz at $2000
Dual 2.7GHz at $2500
If Apple could do that (or more simply, if they would be willing to do that) then these rumored Power Mac specs don't look nearly as bad. Consider getting a dual processor 2GHz G5 for only $1500 -- that's a very nice price point.
Then, as was also suggested by someone, when the dual-core 970MPs ship Apple will be able to offer a single-processor dual-core system at $1500 and dual processor, dual core systems at prices back up to $3000+. If this is Apple's plan, then I think they have an answer for the short term to counter the new dual-core PCs.
The Man said:
There might be different versions of the Radeon 9600 around, but is it believeable that the the 1.25 Ghz G4 eMac is going to have a 64 MB Radeon 9600 and the Dual 2.3 Ghz G5 Powermac the same card, with just twice the memory as a difference. Or is there something fishy with these specs?
DrNeroCF said:
To the best of my knowledge, the graphics processor (GPU on the video card) won't be used much for compression and decompression, however, it will accelerate things like filters that run on images that are already in memory. Thus, even with Tiger you will still want the fastest possible G5 to perform the really time consuming compression required for DVDs and for H.264 video. Said another way, the codecs (video and image compressors) will still run mostly on the G4/G5 processor. However, Tiger should offer faster OpenGL performance and that should help with games and 3D rendering.
If anyone knows for sure that the GPUs will significantly accelerate video compression/decompression, then I'd like to be corrected because that would be a nice feature. But, like I said, I don't think you'll see a big difference in the codec performance under Tiger. Well, except that QuickTime 7 will implement H.264.
Apple!Freak said:Damn! I really wanted 128MB graphics for my iMac G5. I purchased my iMac just over a month ago and now they come out with a new iMac G5 with 128 graphics which leaves my stuck with 64MB. Anyone know if they will sell an upgrade kit for the graphics?
I don't need the 250 HD because 160 is enough, I've got Bluetooth (But what is this about Bluetooth 2.0?), I got Tiger on Pre-Order, Already have iLife 05, and 200MHz added in speed is nothing to complain about. I just need those 128 graphics!
Sell your IMac then. I update my notebok, whenver there is an update. You don't lose a lot cause Macs hold good value.
Apple!Freak said:Damn! I really wanted 128MB graphics for my iMac G5. I purchased my iMac just over a month ago and now they come out with a new iMac G5 with 128 graphics which leaves my stuck with 64MB. Anyone know if they will sell an upgrade kit for the graphics?
I don't need the 250 HD because 160 is enough, I've got Bluetooth (But what is this about Bluetooth 2.0?), I got Tiger on Pre-Order, Already have iLife 05, and 200MHz added in speed is nothing to complain about. I just need those 128 graphics!
No, impossible to upgrade.
Don't fall for the "double the vram" B.S. The ATI 9600 offers the exact same awful in game performance as the Nvidia FX5200.
These rumors are BS....
You can count on these rumors not to be true. All of you!
I happen to work in high end graphics in the visual effects film industry and a friend of mine who works for Apple has begged me to delay my purchase of a Dual 2.5 Ghz PM until NAB. He couldn't tell me precisely what it was all about but that it would be a big mistake to buy now!
Now based on all these posts, I can't imagine that my Apple friend would tell me to 'definitely' wait until the announcement at NAB unless it was for something substantial. A 200mhz upgrade - I doubt it! He knows that I couldn't care less about such a small boost in performance.
Make up your own minds about what this might entail.
I, for one, expect to see a possible 4 proc 3Ghz machine with dual core technology or not. Rumors has been that Apple has been preparing a new line of super high end PowerMacs. It would make sense to release such a powerful machine with the announcement of FCP 5.0 HD, Motion 2.0, Shake 4.0, etc....
It would also make sense to announce to the press on sunday or monday the immediate availablilty of Dual Core Powermacs a couple of days before AMD and Intel announce their lines, therefore, stealing the show and the red carpet from under their competitors.....
I say - Go Apple!
You can count on these rumors not to be true. All of you!
I happen to work in high end graphics in the visual effects film industry and a friend of mine who works for Apple has begged me to delay my purchase of a Dual 2.5 Ghz PM until NAB. He couldn't tell me precisely what it was all about but that it would be a big mistake to buy now!
Now based on all these posts, I can't imagine that my Apple friend would tell me to 'definitely' wait until the announcement at NAB unless it was for something substantial. A 200mhz upgrade - I doubt it! He knows that I couldn't care less about such a small boost in performance.
Make up your own minds about what this might entail.
I, for one, expect to see a possible 4 proc 3Ghz machine with dual core technology or not. Rumors has been that Apple has been preparing a new line of super high end PowerMacs. It would make sense to release such a powerful machine with the announcement of FCP 5.0 HD, Motion 2.0, Shake 4.0, etc....
It would also make sense to announce to the press on sunday or monday the immediate availablilty of Dual Core Powermacs a couple of days before AMD and Intel announce their lines, therefore, stealing the show and the red carpet from under their competitors.....
I say - Go Apple!
errr where does everyone get the idea the Imac will be getting a radeon 9600? According to the report it is the emac that will get it. Wouldnt make much sense either since it is almost as fast as the fx5200. Sorry guys.
The 2.7 Ghz upgrade if true sounds like a marketing blunder in the makes. Better to get rid of the liquid cooling on the topmodel 2.5 GHz, throw in some cutting edge new graphics and upgrade the ram and lower the prices. Then, when the dualcore is there, make it a real upgrade asap.
The 2.7 Ghz upgrade if true sounds like a marketing blunder in the makes. Better to get rid of the liquid cooling on the topmodel 2.5 GHz, throw in some cutting edge new graphics and upgrade the ram and lower the prices. Then, when the dualcore is there, make it a real upgrade asap.
Well, what will really be fantastic is that we get 200MHz in 12 months.... and then they won't ship them for 5 months.
ENJOY!
ENJOY!
Well, the predicted new iMacs are about what I expected and wanted. Its probably good enough for me to consider buying one.
And the eMac prediction is reasonable too, but I would've expected them to be slightly faster than the Mac mini. I guess better graphics, built-in CRT, and an extra RAM slot is enough to justify the extra price compared to the mini.
I'm a little disappointed with the Power Mac (as everyone else appears to be) if the prediction is real. If the "new" dual 2.0GHz replaces the current single 1.8, and the current price category of the dual 2.5 is eliminated, then its not so bad. Since these Power Macs are also missing other potential updates such as faster RAM and PCI-e, I expect another update within 6-8 months.
And the eMac prediction is reasonable too, but I would've expected them to be slightly faster than the Mac mini. I guess better graphics, built-in CRT, and an extra RAM slot is enough to justify the extra price compared to the mini.
I'm a little disappointed with the Power Mac (as everyone else appears to be) if the prediction is real. If the "new" dual 2.0GHz replaces the current single 1.8, and the current price category of the dual 2.5 is eliminated, then its not so bad. Since these Power Macs are also missing other potential updates such as faster RAM and PCI-e, I expect another update within 6-8 months.
I wonder if Apple isn't playing Think Secret again...
I mean according to TS we were supposed to have Tiger by the 15th. That turned out to be misinformation. I'm starting to wonder if TS is really that accurate anymore. It's possible we're actually getting the Dual 3 this rev and Apple is pulling one over on TS. Because up til now there has been nothing coming from IBM to suggest a 2.3 chip and almost nothing supporting the 2.7 chip.
That and the fact they list a Radeon 9650 graphics card with the Dual 2.7... yet no such card exists or will exist.
I mean according to TS we were supposed to have Tiger by the 15th. That turned out to be misinformation. I'm starting to wonder if TS is really that accurate anymore. It's possible we're actually getting the Dual 3 this rev and Apple is pulling one over on TS. Because up til now there has been nothing coming from IBM to suggest a 2.3 chip and almost nothing supporting the 2.7 chip.
That and the fact they list a Radeon 9650 graphics card with the Dual 2.7... yet no such card exists or will exist.
MrKahuna said:
Actually, technically, the eMac sold last year takes more advantage of CoreImage than the PowerMac Apple migh unveil later this month.
A key component of CoreImage is doing all the fancy image processing in software if the underlying GPU isn't able to do it.
IMHO, the whole "my computer doesn't support CoreImage! How Apple has shunned me!" self-flaggellation spree some posters have is rediculous. CoreImage supports old hardware quite well, and not all that out of line with how similar tasks look on newer hardware. Yes, if you can offload the image processing tasks of CoreImage to the GPU that leaves a hell of a lot more CPU to do other work. But it's a far cry from saying that your machine "isn't supported" because you have an older GPU. CoreImage still supports your machine, just in software.
Let's cross our fingers....
Sounds like sweet music, doesn't it?
If I were Apple after the TS lawsuit, I certainly would want to throw a curve ball at that website and every post TS puts up, would be a lesson in shame and humility. They could have easily assigned a few employees to send the wrong messages on all rumor sites to defame them into oblivion.... If indeed, TS persists its wrong rumor claims for much longer - who in their right mind would want to pursue reading their BS?
Expect big announcements on the Powermacs at NAB. This single-core 2.7Ghz rumor will be quickly forgotten in a few days....
My $.02
Some_Big_Spoon said:
Sounds like sweet music, doesn't it?
If I were Apple after the TS lawsuit, I certainly would want to throw a curve ball at that website and every post TS puts up, would be a lesson in shame and humility. They could have easily assigned a few employees to send the wrong messages on all rumor sites to defame them into oblivion.... If indeed, TS persists its wrong rumor claims for much longer - who in their right mind would want to pursue reading their BS?
Expect big announcements on the Powermacs at NAB. This single-core 2.7Ghz rumor will be quickly forgotten in a few days....
My $.02
Couldn't it be price? If you could get a faster machines with better graphics, better optical drive, and larger HD for $500 less than today would that be worth the wait? And what if you could get a dual 2GHz G5 at only $1500? In fact, at that price you could get two dual 2GHz G5s for the price of one of today's 2.5GHz systems.
I think it's possible. Look at the iMac G5. If they upgrade that to 2GHz and keep the price at $1500 that means you could either get a single-processor 2GHz G5 iMac with the integrated 17" display, or a dual processor G5 at 2GHz without a display for $1500. That seems a reasonable price differential -- you trade the display for the extra processor. And I think that type of price change on the Power Mac would definitely increase sales.
Everyone seems to be overlooking the possibility that Apple will do a price reduction along with this update. It makes complete sense to me as their margins are already higher than they expected (over last quarter) and in a way they can afford to reduce prices until the dual-core 970MPs ship. There has been at least one time when high-end Power Mac prices came down, and then when significantly better systems were introduced the top-end price went back up (obviously, if you introduce something that is dramatically better than before you have a reason and opportunity to raise prices).
I think it's possible. Look at the iMac G5. If they upgrade that to 2GHz and keep the price at $1500 that means you could either get a single-processor 2GHz G5 iMac with the integrated 17" display, or a dual processor G5 at 2GHz without a display for $1500. That seems a reasonable price differential -- you trade the display for the extra processor. And I think that type of price change on the Power Mac would definitely increase sales.
Everyone seems to be overlooking the possibility that Apple will do a price reduction along with this update. It makes complete sense to me as their margins are already higher than they expected (over last quarter) and in a way they can afford to reduce prices until the dual-core 970MPs ship. There has been at least one time when high-end Power Mac prices came down, and then when significantly better systems were introduced the top-end price went back up (obviously, if you introduce something that is dramatically better than before you have a reason and opportunity to raise prices).
osarda said:
bosrs1 said:
From what I can see online, the Radeon 9650 is based upon the ~22 month old RV360 graphics core from ATI. Apple probably got the 9600 and 9650 chips cheap as they are old.
Basically it performs like an overclocked Radeon 9600 Pro.
From looking at benchmarks it seems the performance grading of graphics units is:
FX5200 < Radeon 9600 SE < FX5200U < Radeon 9600 < Radeon 9600 Pro < Radeon 9650 < Radeon 9600 XT
So to be honest it isn't much of an upgrade performance wise, but the extra memory should be worth something.
gate said:
Well they can't announce it at WWDC either, if they intend to play up the dual core thing. That boat just won't float with a room full of programmers, who know that dual core gives no boost for the vast majority of programs, since they are single threaded. Maybe video boffins don't know this so NAB would get a better reaction.
BornAgainMac said:
Funniest post of the day.
I was thinking about dumping my 2.5 before the formal announcement and buying the upgraded PowerMac.
But I think I am going to stay put. Even with dual cores--which I hope they have for Apple's sake--I feel content. The biggest advantage of the Rev C as far I can guess is actually Apple getting more bugs out of the hardware.
I really hope as a shareholder this upgrade is significant since PM sales are down 18%.