silvergunuk said:
Who's gonna chuck a grenade in his door is the question. If we can't have a Dual Core PowerMac or a G5 PowerBook why should he have one. lol
Hope he's not reading this forum, coz my mac might stop working all of a sudden
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Who's gonna chuck a grenade in his door is the question. If we can't have a Dual Core PowerMac or a G5 PowerBook why should he have one. lol
Hope he's not reading this forum, coz my mac might stop working all of a sudden
Pro Line
TS is either full of crap or a Pro Line is coming. No other explanation. Which would mean even more credit card whimpering, natch. But is Antares (the 970 MP) worth 4 or 5 large when the Power5 chip (980) is right around the corner? Not to me.
TS is either full of crap or a Pro Line is coming. No other explanation. Which would mean even more credit card whimpering, natch. But is Antares (the 970 MP) worth 4 or 5 large when the Power5 chip (980) is right around the corner? Not to me.
Bluetooth?
Since iMac will have Bluetooth 2, maybe we'll see Apple built the bluetooth in PowerMac as well.
Since iMac will have Bluetooth 2, maybe we'll see Apple built the bluetooth in PowerMac as well.
broken_keyboard, I sometimes disagree with daveL and he sometimes makes comments that border on the insensitive, but I'd guess that you are not really in the target market for a Power Mac if you don't understand the advantages that multiple threads and dual processors allow. You apparently don't need to edit and process media (video, image, and/or audio) while you check email and work on that next graphics presentation for your boss. If all these tasks are running in the background and you still want to be able to have a responsive system to perform yet another job (like rip that new CD you just purchased and compress it for iTunes), then you would appreciate a dual G5 system that runs on a multi-processing OS.
And finally, while many of us may be disappointed at the apparent lack of a dual-core 970MP, we shouldn't overlook the fact that a 2.7GHz dual G5 is a fast computer and will compete fairly well in the Power Mac's target market -- digital content creation with multi-threaded applications. If Apple lowers the prices across the entire line, say that dual-G5 at 2GHz for something around $1600 and the dual 2.7GHz model at $2500 then I think they will sell pretty well.
And finally, while many of us may be disappointed at the apparent lack of a dual-core 970MP, we shouldn't overlook the fact that a 2.7GHz dual G5 is a fast computer and will compete fairly well in the Power Mac's target market -- digital content creation with multi-threaded applications. If Apple lowers the prices across the entire line, say that dual-G5 at 2GHz for something around $1600 and the dual 2.7GHz model at $2500 then I think they will sell pretty well.
broken_keyboard said:
A reliable source told me the new PMs will not come with keyboards. But they will reintroduce the floppy drive. I'm very excited. 
Val-kyrie said:
LOL... how do you not go insane when using 98SE? Just joking, you could be using 95 or Me
If Apple would give us a way to turn down eye candy like just about every other OS does then you wouldnt need a high end machine.
TS may be wrong, but they're usually right. The specs sound exactly like something Apple would do. Right down to using a dog of a GPU on a Pro machine.
fpnc said:
Yup, I can see how it would be a benefit if you need to do heavy background processing. I typically am fully focussed on the one app I am using at the moment and the rest are just idling.
ewinemiller said:
What other 970 processors can the PM line use?
But more importantly, a decent GPU is more important? What 9650? There is no such GPU as a 9650, or it is a crippled 9600.
Seriously, I'm unhappy with Apple right now.
Where are the Macs that support PCIe?I think Apple is slowing down because they delay/change their products based on rumors. At this rate, it will be December before we see ANYTHING new! (just joking)
Message to Apple: Stop hiding behind the rumor sites, and just release the new products
I think most of you guys will be disappointed to find out the PM upgrades will not be sporting the 970MP dual core chips. This can be deduced by looking at the specs for the new machines.
512 MB RAM, 9600 video card, larger HDs, and Apple's propensity towards to the lowest price they can get away with, means the chips remain single core.
We may see dual core chips announced at WWDC, but won't ship for at least another 1-2 months afterwards. And even then, only the top of the line PM will see dual-cores.
512 MB RAM, 9600 video card, larger HDs, and Apple's propensity towards to the lowest price they can get away with, means the chips remain single core.
We may see dual core chips announced at WWDC, but won't ship for at least another 1-2 months afterwards. And even then, only the top of the line PM will see dual-cores.
numediaman said:A reliable source told me the new PMs will not come with keyboards. But they will reintroduce the floppy drive. I'm very excited.
Actually, it would probably be a good idea to drop the keyboard and mouse from the standard Power Mac bundle. I'm sure there are many users who already have a keyboard/mouse that they could use __or__ they may want to buy a different (non-Apple) keyboard or mouse. Most places I've worked at have boxes and boxes of unused keyboards and mice. So, drop the keyboard and mouse, and use that to help cover some of the price reductions in the standard bundle. And, in any case, you could still offer Apple's keyboard and mouse as a BTO on the Apple Store.
ASZ993 said:What other 970 processors can the PM line use?
But more importantly, a decent GPU is more important? What 9650? There is no such GPU as a 9650, or it is a crippled 9600.
Seriously, I'm unhappy with Apple right now.
I think Apple is slowing down because they delay/change their products based on rumors. At this rate, it will be December before we see ANYTHING new! (just joking)
Message to Apple: Stop hiding behind the rumor sites, and just release the new products
Its hard to say if the 9650 is a crippled version of the 9600. The low end sector is saturated with garbage. But the 9600 is a crippled version of the 9600 PRO. I think my old 9500 PRO is slightly faster than a 9600 PRO or XT.
I agree, we're not going to see dual-core 970MP Power Macs for some time to come (assuming these rumors are even close to true, and I think they are). However, when the 970MP does arrive I'm almost certain that it will be used in the lowest-end, single-processor version of the Power Mac. That configuration will be the $1500+ model. They pretty much have to offer dual-core across the Power Mac product line, since the entire industry is moving toward dual-core. Intel says that something like 70% of __all__ of its processor shipments will be dual-core by the fall of 2006. Thus, since the Power Macs are at the top of Apple's line they will remain dual-core __or__ dual processor from this time on.
In any case, since both Intel and AMD are going to ship dual-core processors this month Apple has to match their dual-processor G5s against the dual-cores that will be available in the PC market.
In any case, since both Intel and AMD are going to ship dual-core processors this month Apple has to match their dual-processor G5s against the dual-cores that will be available in the PC market.
Lacero said:
Little Endian said:
http://barefeats.com/macvpc.html
At that link the PM lost 3 of 5 benchmarks. At least its competitive, unlike a few years ago.
$850-$1300 is not a "whopping" amount to pay for a server cpu. Hell, FX's hover around the $850-900 range when released.
At least they will have dual core options very soon. Apple will show up late to the party which has been the trend for the last couple of years with respect to hardware.
It seems to be clear that the speedbump power mac desktops are on the way... I also am VERY disappointed in the video cards on offer I had hoped for the ATI 850 series or at a minimun the Radion 9800 series cards... I need graphics cards with lots of power and good looking results in my work and I doubt that the old 9600 core radion cards will cut it...
I just had an email from one of my venders with dumping pricing on the PM G5 1.8 Single processor machine so new machines must be out soon I just hope that beter video cards will be sold in the BTO than the 9650 whatever that turns out to be... this was the note
Power Mac G5 1.8GHz Single Processor 256MB/ 80GB/ 8X SuperDrive
Single Processor 1.8GHz PowerPC G5, 256MB DDR SDRAM, 80GB Serial ATA Drive, SuperDrive,56K Modem, NVIDIA GeForce FX 5200, NIC, 3-USB 2.0, 2-USB 1.1, 1-FW 800, 2-FW 400, AP Extreme Ready, Mac OS X
M9555LL/A for $1,299
I just had an email from one of my venders with dumping pricing on the PM G5 1.8 Single processor machine so new machines must be out soon I just hope that beter video cards will be sold in the BTO than the 9650 whatever that turns out to be... this was the note
Power Mac G5 1.8GHz Single Processor 256MB/ 80GB/ 8X SuperDrive
Single Processor 1.8GHz PowerPC G5, 256MB DDR SDRAM, 80GB Serial ATA Drive, SuperDrive,56K Modem, NVIDIA GeForce FX 5200, NIC, 3-USB 2.0, 2-USB 1.1, 1-FW 800, 2-FW 400, AP Extreme Ready, Mac OS X
M9555LL/A for $1,299
Dude, the Dobermans would eat you alive before you made it to the front door.silvergunuk said:
As for Think Secret website, those of you hoping they are wrong, since I have been watching them the last 3 years, they have never been wrong when they have a "confirmed" report. All other rumor sites, yes, they are a joke. Others are run by kids. But not TS. They get it right every time. If they don't know, they don't publish the info, like the release dates of the new PM's, for instance. Are new iMacs gonna be announced next week, or April 29th? I'm pulling for next Tuesday.
solvs said:
Appologies...yes 2 ram slots but max 1 gig total ram...http://www.apple.com/emac/specs.html
Okay, I've just re-sifted through about 14 pages of rumors and comment since my first post under this thread, and here's my gut feeling/prediction concerning the PowerMac:
One year has gone by since the last PM updates. That's far too long to yield the meager 200MHz speed boost of the high-end CPU. We all know this would look slightly ridiculous given Intel's recent announcement of shipping dual cores, and I think Apple does as well. If this was all IBM could deliver, it would have been in machines 3 to 6 months ago.
Someone else mentioned this on page 10(!) or thereabouts: What about the unmistakable inclusion (quickly whisked away) of quad processor support in the Developer Tools? That wasn't a typo. Apple was clearly preparing for something big, but what would be the use of retaining the option if no one had (yet) the hardware to test it? Plus it would ruin any hope of surprise if and when the curtain lifts.
Also consider that Apple has been waging an overt war against the rumor sites, especially TS on account of its respectable hit-to-miss ratio. What's the best way to bring them down? Lawsuits? That's only been partially successful, and any final victory would be Pyrrhic in light of all the bad press the company's Reveal Your Sources campaign has generated. Wouldn't it be much more damaging to feed TS an official document with wholly credible but underwhelming pro specs a few days before a major industry conference, diverting them from the biggest announcement in the last five years of Apple history (i.e., dual cores now available in pro-sumer models)?
And, finally, there is the handful of posters here -- osada, to name one -- who have been advised by knowledgeable friends to wait on a PM purchase because of something incredible in the pipeline. I admit that I feel deeply uneasy putting stock in the friends of friends of posters I've never met, but it just seems to cement the pieces of the speculative puzzle, which is what this rumor site business is, anyway: a delicious little soap opera for geeks.
Apple has a way of disappointing, to be sure; but it's also capable of wowing, too, no? It seems to me that the signs point more toward the mind-blowing announcement of dual core PMs than the hard "reliable" specs that TS has given us -- keeping in mind, of course, that TS hasn't ruled out the MP entirely. Though for purely selfish reasons I hope they're right on the money about the Rev B iMacs.
One year has gone by since the last PM updates. That's far too long to yield the meager 200MHz speed boost of the high-end CPU. We all know this would look slightly ridiculous given Intel's recent announcement of shipping dual cores, and I think Apple does as well. If this was all IBM could deliver, it would have been in machines 3 to 6 months ago.
Someone else mentioned this on page 10(!) or thereabouts: What about the unmistakable inclusion (quickly whisked away) of quad processor support in the Developer Tools? That wasn't a typo. Apple was clearly preparing for something big, but what would be the use of retaining the option if no one had (yet) the hardware to test it? Plus it would ruin any hope of surprise if and when the curtain lifts.
Also consider that Apple has been waging an overt war against the rumor sites, especially TS on account of its respectable hit-to-miss ratio. What's the best way to bring them down? Lawsuits? That's only been partially successful, and any final victory would be Pyrrhic in light of all the bad press the company's Reveal Your Sources campaign has generated. Wouldn't it be much more damaging to feed TS an official document with wholly credible but underwhelming pro specs a few days before a major industry conference, diverting them from the biggest announcement in the last five years of Apple history (i.e., dual cores now available in pro-sumer models)?
And, finally, there is the handful of posters here -- osada, to name one -- who have been advised by knowledgeable friends to wait on a PM purchase because of something incredible in the pipeline. I admit that I feel deeply uneasy putting stock in the friends of friends of posters I've never met, but it just seems to cement the pieces of the speculative puzzle, which is what this rumor site business is, anyway: a delicious little soap opera for geeks.
Apple has a way of disappointing, to be sure; but it's also capable of wowing, too, no? It seems to me that the signs point more toward the mind-blowing announcement of dual core PMs than the hard "reliable" specs that TS has given us -- keeping in mind, of course, that TS hasn't ruled out the MP entirely. Though for purely selfish reasons I hope they're right on the money about the Rev B iMacs.
eji said:
eji its a good theory. Apple may even be using dissinformation to flush out leaks as well.
If they have dual/quads then everyone will be happy...very happy...
kinda disappointing to see that the PMs only got a small speed bump...
but heck, i did eye the dual 1.8s as my next purchase... a dual 2.0 looks more affordable now for me...
just a question now, will this mean all the new PMs will be water cooled?
anybody has any idea what the general feedback of water cooled systems are? are they noiseless? cooling effeciency and all?
thanks
but heck, i did eye the dual 1.8s as my next purchase... a dual 2.0 looks more affordable now for me...
just a question now, will this mean all the new PMs will be water cooled?
anybody has any idea what the general feedback of water cooled systems are? are they noiseless? cooling effeciency and all?
thanks
New iMac's are sounding great, I hope this rumor is real. My only q about it now is if its just the 9600 or is it the 9600XT? Hopefully it comes out soon (and shipping times arnt to shocking).
(and shipping times arnt to shocking).
tingkumajique said:
The rumor is they are using a new chip called the 970GX which doesn't need liquid cooling.
The point I was trying to make is that ATI is now selling their RADEON® X800 XT MAC® EDITION FOR G5 ONLY
http://shop.ati.com/product.asp?sku=2608262
but Apple is not offering it as a BTO option now and according to the rumors will not be...as the 800 series video cards are a huge improvement over the radion 9600 which is the best that apple will now sell you andas they will not sell the PM as Video card delete you are stuck spending a bunch on a 9600 card that you do not wand and will be replacing with the X800 XT that you buy from ATI for $500 (btw use this code untill the rnd of the month to get 10% off on anything ove 99 bucks from the ATI store Code #4242)
what will you get for a pulled 9600 card on eBay with no box or supporting materials? not much I bet
http://shop.ati.com/product.asp?sku=2608262
but Apple is not offering it as a BTO option now and according to the rumors will not be...as the 800 series video cards are a huge improvement over the radion 9600 which is the best that apple will now sell you andas they will not sell the PM as Video card delete you are stuck spending a bunch on a 9600 card that you do not wand and will be replacing with the X800 XT that you buy from ATI for $500 (btw use this code untill the rnd of the month to get 10% off on anything ove 99 bucks from the ATI store Code #4242)
what will you get for a pulled 9600 card on eBay with no box or supporting materials? not much I bet