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SNAAB said:
Either make thirty posts or get over it. BTW, don't make thirty random posts, that's called SPAM!
Yeah if I had the 2.5 Dually I wouldn't waste my time upgrading... however I'm on the fence. I have the Dual 1.8. I could definitely deal with a 65% speed boost, but it just doesn't hit me as big as a Dual 3 would have. Unless they're dual core... then I might take the plunge.BWhaler said:
More than just technology... much more!
Apple has gotten itself into a position where lots of people are watching what it is doing...competitors, potential switchers, repeat buyers, suppliers, developers, pundits and investors,
This high-visibility has advantages and disadvantages
To be successful, Apple must address each of these groups to some extent.
Sure they must release new, attractive technology... but they must do so in a way that maximizes the impact on the groups watching.
One very inportant group is the Wall Street analysts and pundits who forecast Apple's performance and make stock buy/sell recommendations to their clients.
For example, in spite of a fantastic quarter. some financial analysts were off put by Apple's [traditionally] conservative guidance for the next quarter. Others were disappointed with the fact that Apple's unit iPod sales did not meet their (the analysts) grossly inflated projections.
The financial community is very important to Apple, and to keep them interested, Apple has to demonstrate sustained performance and acceptable (above industry average) growth.
And they must do this on a quarter-to-quarter basis for certain products and a year-to-year basis for the company as a whole.
It is a matter of timing and logistics (as well as technology).
The immediate challenge (to satisfy the financial community) is how to show good numbers for 3Q 2005 (April-June) and set the stage for even better numbers in Q4 2005.
In a sentence, Apple needs exciting (new or upgraded) products to sell, now!
I predict that Apple will announce some revolutionary high-end PMs at NAB (a fantastic opportunity) and they will be available immediately (along with the new pro Apps)! There will be upgrades to other lines (prolly not PB or IB).
The new PMs, new Pro apps and other, already fully ramped-up, product lines (iPod, Retail, iTunes, OS X, existing apps, etc.) should allow Apple to show the numbers they need for the current quarter.
Then, WWDC becomes the showcase for new PB & IB offerings, as well as new products... all immediately availabe, to set the stage for Q4 2005.
The next 6 quarters are critical to Apple. What, when and how they announce/deliver products, is key.
Done right, Apple can become the dominant player in the markets it enters/serves.
My bet is with Apple!
Apple has gotten itself into a position where lots of people are watching what it is doing...competitors, potential switchers, repeat buyers, suppliers, developers, pundits and investors,
This high-visibility has advantages and disadvantages
To be successful, Apple must address each of these groups to some extent.
Sure they must release new, attractive technology... but they must do so in a way that maximizes the impact on the groups watching.
One very inportant group is the Wall Street analysts and pundits who forecast Apple's performance and make stock buy/sell recommendations to their clients.
For example, in spite of a fantastic quarter. some financial analysts were off put by Apple's [traditionally] conservative guidance for the next quarter. Others were disappointed with the fact that Apple's unit iPod sales did not meet their (the analysts) grossly inflated projections.
The financial community is very important to Apple, and to keep them interested, Apple has to demonstrate sustained performance and acceptable (above industry average) growth.
And they must do this on a quarter-to-quarter basis for certain products and a year-to-year basis for the company as a whole.
It is a matter of timing and logistics (as well as technology).
The immediate challenge (to satisfy the financial community) is how to show good numbers for 3Q 2005 (April-June) and set the stage for even better numbers in Q4 2005.
In a sentence, Apple needs exciting (new or upgraded) products to sell, now!
I predict that Apple will announce some revolutionary high-end PMs at NAB (a fantastic opportunity) and they will be available immediately (along with the new pro Apps)! There will be upgrades to other lines (prolly not PB or IB).
The new PMs, new Pro apps and other, already fully ramped-up, product lines (iPod, Retail, iTunes, OS X, existing apps, etc.) should allow Apple to show the numbers they need for the current quarter.
Then, WWDC becomes the showcase for new PB & IB offerings, as well as new products... all immediately availabe, to set the stage for Q4 2005.
The next 6 quarters are critical to Apple. What, when and how they announce/deliver products, is key.
Done right, Apple can become the dominant player in the markets it enters/serves.
My bet is with Apple!
broken_keyboard said:
You don't think a bunch of *programmers* would see the value of having (in effect) an extra 2 processors and get motivated to make their apps use them all?
That's like saying the introduction of Altivec was silly to a room full of programmers, because they knew that no current apps were taking advantage of it. (Except of course, current apps *will* take advantage of the extra cores just because they can get a core to themselves to run their single thread)You sound like you only ever run one application at a time on your mac...
dicklacara said:
I disagree. If they focus on products then the numbers will take care of themselves. If they focus on the numbers, and on impressing self important analysts, then they will slowly go down the toilet as they did under Scully.
Life is about doing your own thing, and that is what Steve Jobs does. He happens to be a genius so we all benefit. Wall Street analysts are not geniuses, lets not do what they want/expect please.
dicklacara said:
Except historically Apple is better known for announcing revolutionary high-end PMs and then waiting 3-4 months before shipping them in reasonable volumes. As much as I'd like to see a dual core-dual 2.7, I suspect if they announced that at NAB, we'd see the exact same thing that happened when the G5 was announced and when the 2.5 was announced. If it's just a simple speed bump, I'd believe that could be available immediately.
duffman9000 said:
Hey! I still use Win 98SE on my Intel machine. I would like to switch to escape all of the MS BS but these specs are TERRIBLE. OSX may be a great operating system, but Apple needs the hardware to back it up. I won't be buying or recommending buying to my friends and family (who have been asking me about switching recently) until Apple is at least current with technology (READ: PCI-Express and PCI-E gfx cards, DDR2 RAM, even the ability to use DDR in their laptops). Sorry Apple, you'll have to do better than this.
PS--And yes, I have tried the Apple hardware out. It still feels slow. Mind you, I tweak my PC.
SNAAB said:
Yeah sorry, it's a bit too early in the morning for me to start joking around... I'll stop now.
ewinemiller said:
I don't think historical rules apply.
Besides, how many boxes are we talking about to:
1) satisfy immediate demand
2) build a reasonable backlog for 2-3 week deliveries
This NAB presents Apple with a golden opportunity. It can "wow" the attendees with new apps and hardware and capture the mindset of those who are decision-makers/influencers for the creation, delivery and consumption of quality (and HD) A/V.
Apple needs to be a player in all parts of this market!
And, they can do this in such a way to get the attention of the investment community.
That's one of the most uninformed posts I've seen lately. Guess what: multiple single-threaded processes make just as much use of multiple CPUs/cores as one or more multi-threaded apps. Maybe you should look at your process list sometime (being aware, of course, that it's a snapshot in time). Not to mention most Apple software *is* multi-threaded. What a comment. Fix your keyboard; maybe that will help you research the technology you're commenting on.broken_keyboard said:
What if these rumours are correct. Maybe Apple is going to make the PowerMac their mid range desktop and pull out a mother of all beasts to be their flag ship.
April 17th, NAB
-New Software (DVD SP, FCP, Motion etc.)
-New PowerMac's (as per Thinksecret)
They will be $1499, $1999 and $2499
-New PowerPowerMac
2 Models
'Ultimate'
Dual Dual Core 3.0GHZ G5 970MP
2GB DDR2 RAM (upto 32GB)
250GB HD
X850XT 256mb
SuperDrive
$3499
'Legendary'
Quad Dual Core 3.0GHZ G5 970MP
4GB DDR2 RAM (upto 32GB)
500GB HD
SLI 6800 Ultra
Blu-Ray
$4999 (I'd buy it)
(Shipping in Fall of 2008) lol
But, seriously, apple have to have something better up their sleeves then those specs as mentioned by TS. Apple is always good at letting the Pro's down but not like this.
ONE SIGN OF HOPE EXISTS IN THE FACT THAT ALL THE GPU'S MENTIONED ARE ATI, and Apple wouldn't do this, as only the 12" PB would have an nVidia as standard (correct me if i'm wrong)
April 17th, NAB
-New Software (DVD SP, FCP, Motion etc.)
-New PowerMac's (as per Thinksecret)
They will be $1499, $1999 and $2499
-New PowerPowerMac
2 Models
'Ultimate'
Dual Dual Core 3.0GHZ G5 970MP
2GB DDR2 RAM (upto 32GB)
250GB HD
X850XT 256mb
SuperDrive
$3499
'Legendary'
Quad Dual Core 3.0GHZ G5 970MP
4GB DDR2 RAM (upto 32GB)
500GB HD
SLI 6800 Ultra
Blu-Ray
$4999 (I'd buy it)
(Shipping in Fall of 2008) lol
But, seriously, apple have to have something better up their sleeves then those specs as mentioned by TS. Apple is always good at letting the Pro's down but not like this.
ONE SIGN OF HOPE EXISTS IN THE FACT THAT ALL THE GPU'S MENTIONED ARE ATI, and Apple wouldn't do this, as only the 12" PB would have an nVidia as standard (correct me if i'm wrong)
Me thinks
Me thinks IBM spent waaaaaay to much time not to drop a bomb.
2.7 maybe...gotta be a dual core though. I see the dual g5's getting the big boost.
I think the big boom would be to drop the single G5 PM and release a dual core in the 20" iMac only . Leave the 17's the same except for the graffics update and drop the price on them . Their stock would soar. There would be 17's in every dorm right next to their iPod's.
Me thinks IBM spent waaaaaay to much time not to drop a bomb.
2.7 maybe...gotta be a dual core though. I see the dual g5's getting the big boost.
I think the big boom would be to drop the single G5 PM and release a dual core in the 20" iMac only
. Leave the 17's the same except for the graffics update and drop the price on them . Their stock would soar. There would be 17's in every dorm right next to their iPod's.
daveL said:
This is not the xserve we're talking about, it's the PM. So there is typically only one user logged in, and though they can start multiple processes, they will typically switch from one to the other as they work. So dual core, which enables two processes to run at the same time, is useless (it's useless if they are switching). Don't tell me about the background daemons, because their CPU usage is next to zero.
daveL said:
Why don't you turn on the thread count column - most of them are not as multi-threaded as you might hope. (the Kernel looks good)
That fact is that multi threaded software is harder to write and much harder to debug. Companies will often discourage their developers from using multiple threads for this very reason. We need more MHz, not more cores. Put the dual core in the xServe by all means.
skythefly13 said:What about the Powerbooks....? No Updates there????? I hope so!
They were already updated on January 30. It amazes me that people think Apple would update them only 2.5 months later.
this is gonna get lost in the pile, but here's the thing: Benchmarks test not only hardware, but software. Apple's hardware is fast, damn fast. And Apple's own software is making use of it and then some. But, other companies recompile windows code and publish it for the Mac. that's not going to give you real speed no matter how fast the hardware is. So, before you bash Apple (and I do occasionally too) think about the fact that companies don't generally give a toss about making the most out of our platform of choice, superior as it may be.
If Apple really is going to publish it's own games, take a look at their performance when they launch. I'm betting they'll be enough to turn more than a few heads. All it takes is real programmers.
If Apple really is going to publish it's own games, take a look at their performance when they launch. I'm betting they'll be enough to turn more than a few heads. All it takes is real programmers.
Have we forgot about the CHUD information? I still think that the 4 processors supported in Tiger has something to say about the next PM update. My bet is a single dual core for the low end PM and a dual dual cores for the middle and top.
Also, did anyone notice that the ATI 9800XT isn't offered as a BTO option anymore in the Apple Store? Someone pointed that out earlier and I don't think anyone noticed. What could that point to?
Also, did anyone notice that the ATI 9800XT isn't offered as a BTO option anymore in the Apple Store? Someone pointed that out earlier and I don't think anyone noticed. What could that point to?
A DISGRACE!
An extra 400 mhz is what we get after almost a year?! appalling,absolutely appalling.
Okay time for revenge. who's up for knocking on Steve J. door then running off and hiding behind the bushs before he opens the door?
An extra 400 mhz is what we get after almost a year?! appalling,absolutely appalling.
Okay time for revenge. who's up for knocking on Steve J. door then running off and hiding behind the bushs before he opens the door?
as i've said before, i think and certainly hope apple is building up stock on their Powermacs. I don't think 2.7 GHZ is likely unless it is with the 970MP dual-core processor. Apple saw the uproar last time with the 2.0 --> 2.5 GHZ PM and i don't think they'd do it again with a 200 mhz speed bump. But, we don't even know if the rumor is true.