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Stats based on AppStore visits are silly... I've stopped trying to access the AppStore from my 3GS with iOS6, it takes about 2-3 min to load (with a WiFi connection). The point is, AppStore access really is restricted to iOS7-capable devices, that's all. I still see lots of people in the Tube rocking iPhone 4s with iOS6 - and quite a few 3G and 3GS...
 
Stats based on AppStore visits are silly... I've stopped trying to access the AppStore from my 3GS with iOS6, it takes about 2-3 min to load (with a WiFi connection). The point is, AppStore access really is restricted to iOS7-capable devices, that's all. I still see lots of people in the Tube rocking iPhone 4s with iOS6 - and quite a few 3G and 3GS...

I know, right?
To be fair, that's what Google has been using for Android for years now. I suppose Apple just joined the crazy train, and started doing the same.
There's actually a lot of reasons for lower numbered devices not to go to the store, one of them being, the longer you have the device, the less you typically go to the store. I know I went a lot more to the App Store when I got the device.

That being said, the comparison with google is still completely valid, if not valid for actual world numbers of currently in-use devices.
 
By that logic, since Windows 8 is selling better than Windows 7 did, does that mean more people like Windows 8 too?

Seriously, that's terrible logic.

Yeh dont even start me about how bad windows 8 is

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Wow, it's the most Mac-like Microsoft OS ever made. First of all, it is amazingly well built, stable, things "just work". That is Mac-like.

The Desktop UI can be set up to open a new window every time a new folder is opened *and* always remember the position and view of that window!

The look and feel is coming together, a Mac-like experience. And the Modern UI works amazing on a desktop machine. :cool::apple:

whatttt????? it is not mac like it makes me want to punch the screen and keyboard its ****en horrible

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People just don't like change or upgrading OS if they're not required to. Therefore there is still nearly 30% of all computers running Windows XP, a whole 13 years after its introduction (including my company! :mad:).

xp was the best os for windows
 
Stats based on AppStore visits are silly... I've stopped trying to access the AppStore from my 3GS with iOS6, it takes about 2-3 min to load (with a WiFi connection).

The problem is on your side, I think. I don't have AppStore problems not fixable by manually killing and restarting* the AppStore apps on any of my (many-many) pre-iOS7 iDevices, incl. a 6.1.6 3GS and even a 4.2.1 iPhone 3G.

*: this is needed even on iOS7 devices from time to time when it wouldn't load anything.

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How many adopted the IOS7 just in order to get rid of the annoying reminder badge?

Yeah... these figures just can't be taken seriously, given that it's not possible to restore to any previous versions. (Otherwise, tons of people would downgrade for the old look&feel of 6.x or jailbreakability of 7.0.x / 6.x.)
 
At an 87% adoption rate with only a vocal minority complaining on forums, it's safe to say that it's pretty good.
No it isn't. Something is better when it is better, not when there is more of it.
The majority speaks Chinese, believes in Christianity and runs Windows. :eek:

While the vocal minority complains about iOS 7's icons and lack of "buttons", they completely miss the new physics UI that makes all other OS'es feel slightly awkward and unnatural by comparison.
iOS 7 physics is horrible. To open up a folder takes you completely out of place and you lose any context of where you are. iOS 6 folders were so much better at that, it's sad to even think about it. :(
 
OK, I'll look at Windows.

Did Microsoft automatically download an installer for Windows 8 to people's machines capable of installing it? (an installer that could not be deleted and would only be removed if they installed Win8)

No, but we aren't comparing Windows to iOS. I am comparing iOS 7 to iOS 6, both of which had the same installer advantages.

My point with Windows is that Windows 7 (a well received OS) had a higher adoption rate than Vista and Windows 8 (which had their issues).

Did Microsoft provide a fix for an SSL bug that required users to upgrade to Windows 8 in order to get it?

New versions of Windows have many new security features.

And where is your evidence that there was a significant uptick in iOS 7 adoption because of the SSL bug? Looking at the numbers reported on this site, growth seems rather steady in 2014.
 
If everyone and their dog is using iOS7

And you're saying iOS7 is no good

Then you are saying that the vast majority of iOS users are stupid or masochists

I would argue that the vast majority of iOS users are smart people

Therefore, if they are using iOS7, it is satisfying and successful for them overall

2 cents

If I can roll back to iOS 6 on my 5s and the fingerprint reader still works.

The only thing that prevented me from moving back to my 4S with the perfected iOS 6.

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Nope. Hate 7 with a passion. Only wish they would have shipped the 5S with 6 or given customers an option.

High five....
 
Gotofail

Uhh yes. They do relate to how good it is. People wouldn't upgrade if it sucked.

Oh really? Gotofail had nothing to do with it? You don't think there were millions of users that updated only because apple never released a fix for iOS 6 users that didn't require updating to iOS 7?
 
Adoption rate certainly implies acceptance of an OS. You are the one that is using completely unsupported theories to attempt to discredit that.
Acceptance is subjective considering a typical user can NOT fall back to previous versions easily.
 
Oh really? Gotofail had nothing to do with it? You don't think there were millions of users that updated only because apple never released a fix for iOS 6 users that didn't require updating to iOS 7?

Nothing? Probably not. Millions? Maybe. A significant impact? Not at all.

Dec 30 - 78%
Jan 27 - 80%
Feb 21 - iOS 7.0.6
Mar 10 - iOS 7.1
Mar 24 - 85%
Apr 7 - 87%

Looks like around 2% per month with a very slight uptick after the release of 7.0.6 and 7.1.

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Acceptance is subjective considering a typical user can NOT fall back to previous versions easily.

Of course. But the same issue applied to iOS 6 which is what I am comparing it to.
 
Stats based on AppStore visits are silly... I've stopped trying to access the AppStore from my 3GS with iOS6, it takes about 2-3 min to load (with a WiFi connection). The point is, AppStore access really is restricted to iOS7-capable devices, that's all. I still see lots of people in the Tube rocking iPhone 4s with iOS6 - and quite a few 3G and 3GS...

These stats aren't silly, they're specifically for DEVELOPERS, posted on Apple's developer site. I'm sure developers care little about people who never access the App Store.

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How many adopted the IOS7 just in order to get rid of the annoying reminder badge?

How many people updated from iOS 5 to iOS 6 to get rid of the "annoying reminder badge" or iOS 4 to iOS 5?
 
http://www.engadget.com/2014/02/13/windows-8-sales-200-million/

No, selling also. Upgrading too, but selling a lot. It's the second best selling Windows after Windows 7.

That's pretty damn impressive, especially considering the ceaseless whining from some Windows users.

Windows 8.x is amazing for being fricking Windows. Made by Microsoft. :eek:
Ok so then if Windows 8 isn't as bad as the haters say it is .... Oh gosh .... Does that mean that iOS 7 isn't as bad as the haters say it is? That would mean the near 90% adoption of iOS 7 is actually a true reflection. Meaning that the iOS 7 haters are really just that. Haters.
 
When serious security holes is used to force people into upgrading, no wonder the adoption rate is artificially high.

Do you have stats that show a large uptick in adoption after the security fix? Because as someone previously posted, Apple's stats don't show that.
 
I think it shows where all of the tech savvy people reside.

For everyone else, there's Andriod. :D
How do those unrelated to any of that numbers show anything like that again?

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Do you have stats that show a large uptick in adoption after the security fix? Because as someone previously posted, Apple's stats don't show that.
The point that can be taken from that is that no matter how high or low the uptake might have been before that the security fix alone could have gotten the numbers to where they are now. Whether or not more people were already on the latest version by that time doesn't change the nature of that event carrying that capability.
 
The point that can be taken from that is that no matter how high or low the uptake might have been before that the security fix alone could have gotten the numbers to where they are now. Whether or not more people were already on the latest version by that time doesn't change the nature of that event carrying that capability.

Baseless speculation. Security fixes don't seem to have the effect that you are claiming on other platforms.

You continue to push the idea that actual adoption rates have no larger meaning, but completely unsupported theories are significant.
 
Baseless speculation. Security fixes don't seem to have the effect that you are claiming on other platforms.

You continue to push the idea that actual adoption rates have no larger meaning, but completely unsupported theories are significant.
Other platforms don't follow the same kind of update methodology as iOS does. Nor do other platforms end up having the same level of an inherent issue that basically shot iOS through the heart when it came to the hole that had to be patched up by 7.0.6 and 6.1.6 that was available only for devices that can't run iOS 7. Apples and oranges.
 
yea it does for the most part. People either buying upgrades or buying new machines.

Not in the case of an OS update, especially a free one. People buying new machines for the most part aren't even going to think about what it ships with. People who have a machine have the choice of upgrading or not. And plenty of people choose not to, some people who have all the facts and have a reason to stay behind, and others who know absolutely nothing and stay on an old OS forever because they don't know any better.
 
Uhh yes. They do relate to how good it is. People wouldn't upgrade if it sucked.

In the past, if I didn't like an iOS update, it was trivial to downgrade. Now it's impossible. So it is definitely plausible that a fair number of the iOS 7 adopters are unhappy, but can't do anything about it
 
Other platforms don't follow the same kind of update methodology as iOS does.

So what are you basing your claim on then? If other platforms don't count, and you don't see the effect that you are claiming on iOS, then you are just standing on baseless speculation.

Nor do other platforms end up having the same level of an inherent issue that basically shot iOS through the heart when it came to the hole that had to be patched up by 7.0.6 and 6.1.6 that was available only for devices that can't run iOS 7.

That's just complete BS and FUD.

Apples and oranges.

And yet I'm the one arguing Apples to Apples. You are arguing apples to speculation.
 
So what are you basing your claim on then? If other platforms don't count, and you don't see the effect that you are claiming on iOS, then you are just standing on baseless speculation.



That's just complete BS and FUD.



And yet I'm the one arguing Apples to Apples. You are arguing apples to speculation.
Well if the gaping security hole that was a pretty big embarrassment and screw up on Apple's part is just BS and FUD it sounds like we are in fact talking about different realities here.
 
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Well if the gaping security hole is just BS and FUD it sounds like we are in fact talking about different realities here.

No, the BS and FUD is your claim that other OS don't have gaping security holes that are addressed by major updates.
 
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