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The Official Battlestar Galactica Thread : SPOILERS

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Suture said:
Tonight's episode (the end of season 3) -- ARGH. CRAPPY ENDING.

And no BSG until 2008! :mad:
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Don't have cable, but knew what was going to happen so... Yeah, Starbuck is alive. How predictable.
Did they mention the movie? It's gonna be about Pegasus. Hence the not dealing with the cliffhanger.
Does Tigh truely rise to the occasion?
 
bluebomberman said:
No takebacks. That would definitely be a big ol' jump of the shark.
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lol -- btw love the name/avatar.

Well I've been wrong like 90% of the time I open my mouth about BSG so if I play both sides of the fence I have a chance of being right!
 
DISCOMUNICATION said:
Don't have cable, but knew what was going to happen so... Yeah, Starbuck is alive. How predictable.
Did they mention the movie? It's gonna be about Pegasus. Hence the not dealing with the cliffhanger.
Does Tigh truely rise to the occasion?
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So the spoilers have been around the net for awhile? Well, this year's cliffhangers (although still quality) were the least surprising of the bunch. Didn't come out of the blue, unlike the reveal of Sharon as a Cylon, the shooting of Adama, or the "One Year Later" bit on New Caprica.

EDIT: No mention of the 2-hour DVD/movie/Pegasus thingie. Tigh does shows that he still has cojones, Cylon or not.
 
bluebomberman said:
So the spoilers have been around the net for awhile?
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Yeah, I can finally reveal what I was so 95% sure of. I had seen some production photos of the finale so I drew my own conclusions about what I saw. There were a large number of photos on the Galactica that weren't spoilery at all then 2 that where completely out of place. Six and Baltar with Hera at the opera house looking up. And one of Roslin looking down from the balcony dressed unusually. The look on Baltars face lead me to believe she was one of his beloved "final five". Made me laugh in the last couple of episodes when she would say things like "as long as I'm president". But guess I was wrong. Was right about Baltar getting off the hook and being taken from the Galactica.
As for my comments after Malestrom about Starbuck being alive and having found earth. I was just joking. I was hoping the writers would have the guts to keep her dead.
bluebomberman said:
EDIT: No mention of the 2-hour DVD/movie/Pegasus thingie. Tigh does shows that he still has cajones, Cylon or not.
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I'm not convinced that all 4 are Cylons, if I had to bet I'd only go with the president's aide being the one of the 4 that is.

Tigh, Anders, and Tyrol were all working in close proximity during the resistance on New Caprica. Since Tigh spent a good deal of time in captivity I'm wondering if maybe something they did to him allows him to hear the music and was, at the time, contagious.

Didn't Hera have some blood anomaly that the Doctor could see? Wouldn't Tyrol's kid have the same thing? Or did Cally maybe cheat on him?

Something seems a bit off, of course my track record is one of almost always being wrong.
 
It's not like they knew they were Cylons just because they heard a frakkin' song.

(Would have been funny if it was a Britney Spears song. "Oops, I did it again..." "WOULD SOMEONE TURN OFF THE FRAKKING MUSIC?!!!")

Somehow, during the fleetwide power outage, they learned that they were Cylons. No idea if "repressed memories" resurfaced, or if messages were literally beamed to their heads, but hey, we'll find out next season.
 
atszyman said:
Didn't Hera have some blood anomaly that the Doctor could see? Wouldn't Tyrol's kid have the same thing? Or did Cally maybe cheat on him?
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Didn't Hera only have that blood anomaly in the womb? In which case, Cottel was aboard Galactica during Cally's pregnancy.

Not sure what I think about it yet. When only four turned up in the room I knew Starbuck was coming back. The Final Five are obviously going to fight with the humans, although quite what the Hera dream with Laura etc. was about is yet to be seen.
 
All I have to say is this: Who knew Jimi Hendrix was a Cylon?

and I'll quote myself again "I don't think he's(Tigh) a Cylon. He served with distinction in the first Cylon War. The Colonial military would need to be dumb as rocks to let that slip by".
 
Interview with Ron Moore

Rob: Why did music cause these newly-revealed Cylons to discover they were indeed Cylons. Sharon didn't hear music when she figured it out in season one.

Ron Moore: It's more that they arrived at a certain point in space and they were made aware of who they are. The music manifests a dawning awareness. These are four of the final five, which puts them in a separate category from everybody else. There are reasons for that I can't really get into. We'll be playing out those plot lines for quite a while.

R: Now there are two half-human, half-Cylon babies -- Hera and the Chief and Cally's child. Will you be dealing with that?

RM: Oh, yeah.

R: Are there other half-human, half-Cylon children?

RM: You never know.

R: We've never seen a child in Cylon society. Am I right that there are no pure Cylon children?

RM: That's true.

R: So Tigh and the others were put into the Colonial fleet as adults?

RM: I don't know if it's that simple. I think it's something that goes back pretty far. A lot of the specifics of the back story of how this came about will reveal itself over the course of the next season. Those four are trying to figure out their own story. They don't really understand what this all means. Tigh's been in two wars and wondering, how could this be? A part of next season's storylines will uncover how they came to be who they are and the specifics of that.

R: Why did Roslin have a mental connection to Sharon and Six and not the other Cylons on board?

RM: They are fundamentally different Cylons.

R: A friend of mine wonders about why even most of the Cylons don't know the identities of the final five. She thinks it may have something to do with the humans who created the Cylons or perhaps even the God the Cylons worship.

RM: Those are pretty good possibilities.

R: When did you decide to make these four characters Cylons and how much did you have to go back and check to make sure that fit with things we already knew about these four characters?

RM: It was something I came up with this season as I worked toward the finale. The conceptual framework in which these guys are Cylons, it all sort of works once we laid down their individual back stories.

R: Are these four all full Cylons?

RM: Yes, but they are different fundamentally.

R: Will we meet the final fifth Cylon next season?

RM: I think so.

R: When the Cylon D'Anna (Lucy Lawless) glimpsed the face of one of the final five, she said, "I'm sorry." Since D'Anna tortured Tigh, can we presume she saw his face?

RM: We're developing a storyline dealing with D'Anna and what she saw and who she was talking to. We haven't talked to [Lucy Lawless] about it and she was just cast in a pilot, which makes it tricky. But it's something we would like to look at.

R: So did Apollo really see Starbuck or was he hallucinating?

RM: This, too, is a fine question. It's exactly the kind of thing I want people to chew over the next few months.

R:Is Katee Sackhoff, who plays Starbuck, signed for next season?

RM: Yes.

R: Where do the plans stand for a direct-to-DVD movie that flashes back to tell more of the story of the Pegasus and Admiral Cain (Michelle Forbes)?

RM: It's really just a couple of extra episodes for the fourth season that will air earlier than the rest of the season, sometime in the fall. They'll come out on DVD the next day.

R: Which cast members are in these two, one-hour extra episodes?

RM: The whole cast.

R: Why flashbacks?

RM: There is a tie from these episodes into the events in season four. ... It's an opportunity to set up something for the fourth season that had not been told to the audience and that the characters themselves hadn't realized, and then go into the fourth season.

R: Where does "Caprica" stand? Sci Fi Channel was supposed to make a decision about it this month.

RM: It's now back in development. They're not picking it up as a pilot at the moment. They might want to pick it up as a movie or as a DVD release. No one is saying it's over, but we're also not going forward at this moment. Right now it's on the back burner.

R: Why give Roslin (Mary McDonnell) cancer again?

RM: Even at the time when the cancer went away, I think I made statements to the press that it can always return. I've always seen it as a key part of her character and who she is. Mary and I had extensive conversations about it. Roslin was defined by that. The first moment we meet her, she gets the cancer diagnosis. But in the course of the first two seasons it became clear we couldn't maintain her illness in the same way. Part of her character is the dying leader. It has a Moses quality, the dying leader who's fated not to make it all the way to the Promised Land.

We've moved very strongly into the show's third act of the series and the end is in front of us in some fashion, regardless of how long it takes us to get there. We're moving into the final chapters, and Laura's cancer should return as a signpost on the road that says, you're getting closer because the prophesy is coming true. The prophecy says, "a dying leader."

R: Will we ever see Galactica reach Earth? I'm nervous because of what happened on the original series when they reached Earth and the show became "Galactica 1980."

RM: We're dusting off the flying motorcycles, man. We have some great ideas for those babies.

I think the series has a built-in ending. The series is about the search for Earth and when the time comes, I fully expect we will resolve that one way or another. You get to Earth and what might you find? Is it really their home? You've been promising the audience that end point from the beginning, so you're duty-bound to go there when you end it.

R: So have you started to formulate an endgame? Last week, Sci Fi Channel announced season four will be 22 hours. Will that be it?

RM: We have to know at some point. We're scripting the beginning of season four. I know how many chapters are left in the series and it will come up in this fourth season kind of quickly where we'll have to decide whether this is the last season. The network has made it clear they will take their cues from us if we say we're ready to end the show. [Executive producer] David [Eick] and I have conversations about that and we're pretty close to a decision.

R: And you'll have to decide long before the show returns for the fourth season next year, right?

RM: The decision has nothing to do with next year's ratings. It's first and foremost a creative decision. ... I have two chapters left in my head and I can see those being of different lengths. ... The question of how many episodes is the best route to get there and deciding how much do we want to go out now and end strong and how much do we want to try to extend it because we all love it and go for another year. It's an emotional/creative conversation that David and I have almost daily as we muddle through it all.

R: So this won't be "Farscape" where the series ends on a cliffhanger?

RM: It's very important to me not to do that. It's something we've talked about all along. We want to go out on our own terms and decide when our story ends. We wouldn't want to be in a situation where the story is not completed in the way we want to. ...

R: So you're going to have to decide whether or not to end it in season four or ask for another batch of episodes in which to wrap the story up.

RM: I think we would probably not go to them [and ask for more episodes] unless we were pretty sure they would give them to us.

R: Will the decision to end the show have anything to do with you and David embarking on other projects? I know he has the "Bionic Woman" remake for NBC and you're writing a pilot for FX.

RM: Not really. It's a separate track. It's not like those things are pulling our focus so much that we have to kill 'Battlestar' to pursue them. We have so much invested on a personal level, on a creative level, and it's such a special show, I can't imagine any of the things we're working on we'd rather do. 'Galactica' comes first and everything else plays catch up, which makes for an interesting home life.

R: Not to give away plot points, but what themes can fans expect in season four next year?

RM: It's about new alliances and broken alliances among the panoply of our characters within the rag tag fleet and without. Different allegiances in terms of loyalties, relationships broken and some new ones formed. All the pieces line up in different ways than they have heretofore.

Rob's call: The producers had better make the decision to end "Galactica" in these final 22 hours, because given the show's low ratings, Sci Fi Channel isn't going to give them more episodes. As it is, a fourth season of 22 hours is hugely generous. I hope Moore and company see that as the gift that it is and give the show and its fans the proper ending due them.
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Let me off! I wanna go home!

mkrishnan said:
I just realized I missed the first part of the finale. :(

But as for the second part...what the frack™ was that? :eek:
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That was BS RDM Style. Say hello to head Starbuck?
At least we got to see that this entire story is taking place in the Milky Way and not in some far off galaxy. And the Earth had lights! At least in North America. So I guess there will be some sort of civilization when they get there.
 
Actually folks, technically it's Bob Dylan, Hendrix covered Dylan and his version of All Along the Watchtower just became more well known.

So, we know now who four of the final five Cylons are - as to the last, remember waaaay back in Season 1, Leoben whispered to Laura "Adama is a Cylon." Given that we also know Leoben has a tendency to listen to the hybrids that run the base stars and believe every word that comes out of their mouths is a word from the Cylon god, it is conceivable that he could have heard one of the hybrids talking about Adama as a Cylon.

Just a thought.

Incidentally, I don't think Starbuck is a Cylon, but I do think she has some tie to the Cylons that hasn't yet manifest. And, given that the other four of the final five were hearing a Dylan cum Hendrix song, the final five may also have some tie to Earth.

Of course, Adama, Laura Roslyn, and Starbuck are all on the high suspect list for being the final unrevealed Cylon, so this is all just speculation.
 
Ehhhh... The presentation was very nice, but the cliffhangers didn't "change everything" like they did the last two times. I mean, it adds another thing to think about that there are these four new cylons, but since we have no idea about what the final five are about, what their relationship is to the others, or even what it actually means to be one, the fact that they ARE cylons really has no meaning. This is reinforced by the whole, "well, we'll just go back to our duties then, cheerio" bit after the revelation.

The only actual foreshadowing I can see is that they all seem to be "guardians" for the humans on their journey, which is a genuinely interesting concept.

Once again I had some logic questions about this episode. I can understand why, thematically, the power outage represents a critical and intense moment that's useful to the story... but it was clearly just to give the five a chance to meet and have that oddly theatrical exchange in the room with the square. I'm annoyed that there wasn't another reason for it, since it's a fairly big thing to have happen. Maybe a reason will come up, but for a climactic plot point, it's frustrating not to get even an implication about what caused it. I guess I feel the same way about the music, even though RDM says it was just metaphorical.
 
FoxyKaye said:
Actually folks, technically it's Bob Dylan, Hendrix covered Dylan and his version of All Along the Watchtower just became more well known.

So, we know now who four of the final five Cylons are - as to the last, remember waaaay back in Season 1, Leoben whispered to Laura "Adama is a Cylon." Given that we also know Leoben has a tendency to listen to the hybrids that run the base stars and believe every word that comes out of their mouths is a word from the Cylon god, it is conceivable that he could have heard one of the hybrids talking about Adama as a Cylon.

Just a thought.

Incidentally, I don't think Starbuck is a Cylon, but I do think she has some tie to the Cylons that hasn't yet manifest. And, given that the other four of the final five were hearing a Dylan cum Hendrix song, the final five may also have some tie to Earth.

Of course, Adama, Laura Roslyn, and Starbuck are all on the high suspect list for being the final unrevealed Cylon, so this is all just speculation.
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True that the song was written by Dylan but it just doesnt sound right unless played from hendrix's guitar.

I still don't think that Starbuck is a cylon. And I don't think that she has returned as a real person. Her Viper was jumping in/out of space. She was talking to Lee not through the viper coms but through normal voice chit-chat. She might be in his head imo. However, did anyone notice if the viper she was in had any markings?
 
obeygiant said:
So who thinks Starbuck is telling the truth about Earth and who thinks shes the #5 cylon?
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Would make some sense. What if the final 5 either founded, or are on earth living in peace with the humans. When Starbuck blew up, she was resurrected on Earth and sent to bring the rest of the human race "home."
 
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