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Can't really say anything because I know too much , but you probably shouldn't listen to this weeks RDM podcast because he gives away exactly whats going on with some of the characters who heard the music. He describes a scene that got cut from this episode, but he never said this odd plot point got dropped so it might come up in the next episode.

You mean Anders' new girlfriends? ;) I found that interesting, but not really a spoiler... And yes, I remember you saying you "spoiled" yourself, so I won't ask you about anything further. ;) I don't like ruining surprises for myself and am going to go into the finale in the dark, so to speak. ;) :)

Oh, and did anyone ever answer the whole question about Starbuck's "destiny" and why she killed herself? I still don't understand what this "destiny" is, why killing herself was "the right thing to do" once realizing it, how her mother knew she had a destiny, what the deal was with Leoben, and, well, what it all means! :confused: ;)

As for Starbuck being a Cylon, I revert back to my previous comments regarding the final five. Starbuck had a mom, a childhood, grew up, etc. etc. so how exactly could she be a machine??

Meh, I ask a lot of questions... hopefully they will eventually all be answered... although I have a feeling the next episode might pose more questions than it answers... ;) :cool:
 
Oh, and did anyone ever answer the whole question about Starbuck's "destiny" and why she killed herself? I still don't understand what this "destiny" is, why killing herself was "the right thing to do" once realizing it, how her mother knew she had a destiny, what the deal was with Leoben, and, well, what it all means! :confused: ;)
Her destiny was too inspire Ander's to officially join the crew of the Galactica and become an even better viper pilot than she was. Lord know they need more pilots.
 
Her destiny was too inspire Ander's to officially join the crew of the Galactica and become an even better viper pilot than she was. Lord know they need more pilots.

Ah I see, now it all makes sense! :D

Hey, another question - since Laura's cancer has returned, can't they just give her a transfusion from Hera again to cure her like before, even if only temporary? Cancer shouldn't be able to develop an immunity to something like that, so it should work again....
 
Hey, another question - since Laura's cancer has returned, can't they just give her a transfusion from Hera again to cure her like before, even if only temporary? Cancer shouldn't be able to develop an immunity to something like that, so it should work again....

My guess is that the fetal stem cells no longer exist now that the fetus is, well, no longer a fetus. And they have shown that Hera does get sick at least twice.

Barring that, there's the problem of Sharon and Karl actually letting her use their kid for medicinal purposes.

Still, Laura's visions of baby Hera might mean that this issue will come to a head sooner rather than later.

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On the subject of the final five, I am going to bet that they are Cylons in the sense that they have reincarnated many times over the millenniums, but otherwise don't have much to do with the Cylons we know and love. Heck, the tag line "there are many copies" might not even apply to them.
 
Just rhetorical questions more than anything. All I'm getting at is they will really need to explain and justify what the deal is with the final five, why they left the other models, what makes them special and how they all (conveniently) ended up on Galactica (if that is indeed the case....)

I have a theory about the final 5, given my track record I would put money on it being wrong but I'll put it in white just in case:

I think the final 5 are the only ones capable of creating new Cylon personalities for download into the bodies. Without them the remaining 7 can keep re-downloading their personalities into new bodies but no new copies of a particular body can be brought online, and no new "fleshjobs" can be built. Given this there are a finite number of personalities running around in a 6's body and if one misses a resurrection that's one less 6 running around.

Over time the Cylons have had botched resurrections, and some outside of the range of a resurrection ship/the home world so the 7 are facing extinction of their own, making finding the final 5 imperative, either that or find another way to breed


As for Starbuck being a Cylon, I revert back to my previous comments regarding the final five. Starbuck had a mom, a childhood, grew up, etc. etc. so how exactly could she be a machine??

She has memories of a mother and a childhood, has anyone in the fleet actually grown up along side her? Even Sharon had memories of childhood before she found out she was a Cylon.
 
My guess is that the fetal stem cells no longer exist now that the fetus is, well, no longer a fetus. And they have shown that Hera does get sick at least twice.

True, I guess it wasn't simply her blood, more so her stem cells. Good point.

On the subject of the final five, I am going to bet that they are Cylons in the sense that they have reincarnated many times over the millenniums, but otherwise don't have much to do with the Cylons we know and love. Heck, the tag line "there are many copies" might not even apply to them.

Which then would tie into the cryptic "this has all happened before and will happen again" concept. Technically, the Colonies lost contact with the Cylons for only 40 years after their exile and presumably built them a few decades before that. So if the Cylons weren't even created by man yet at that point, how is it that these final five have been around for millennia? :confused: Or, when the current Cylons speak of there being 12 models, does this mean that they weren't all created at the same time? That, as you say, the final five were in fact the "first five", whom existed a long time ago, and when the other 7 "new" ones were created all they had were myths and stories about their predecessors? This would almost have to be the way it is, otherwise, if they were all created at the same time, how do you lose so much information about 5 of your models which were presumably created at the same time as yourself, and lose touch with them over the short period of 40 years?

But, if the final five have existed for hundreds of years (thus validating the whole Eye of Jupiter thing) then how does it work that the Colonies, hundreds of years later, invented the Cylons (again? :confused: ) - two batches of Cylons spread over hundreds of years, yet somehow linked? And no record of these previous Cylons either?

It will be an interesting revelation when the time comes, because for all intents and purposes, as far as we know (and as far as the humans themselves know!) the Cylons were created by man a few decades before they were exiled and then revolted 40 years afterwards - this is a short period of time, not hundreds of years.... Don't you think there would be something in the history books if man created robots who revolted on them previously, to serve as a warning? What are the odds it would happen twicw? ;)

Anywho, there's another brain dump for ya... ;) :cool:

I have a theory about the final 5, given my track record I would put money on it being wrong but I'll put it in white just in case:

Interesting theory, I haven't heard anything like that before. Who knows! :D

She has memories of a mother and a childhood, has anyone in the fleet actually grown up along side her? Even Sharon had memories of childhood before she found out she was a Cylon.

True, quite true... Although Simon in The Farm indicated she had fractures from when she was young, which would imply she wasn't built and rolled off an assembly line as-is. ;) Plus, they were trying to impregnate her, so why would they do that if she was a Cylon? Mind you, they don't know who the final five are either, so... :eek:
 
My own theory about the final five and what happened to them :)

The huge number of copies of each Cylon model is the thing stopping them from breeding. Each personality is too stretched out. The final five realised this and decided to download all copies of their personality into a single body, each thereby becoming a complete being and achieving a soul. It's why Deanna originally said the other Cylons don't talk about the final five, since from the Cylon understanding all copies of the other five simply dropped dead one day and never resurrected. What they didn't realise at the time is that the entire consciousness of each survived in one body, which had left to join the humans. The remaining Cylon skinjobs want to evolve further, and at some point in the fourth season they will repeat what the final five did, leaving the now-unrestrained machine Cylon models fighting the humans as in the 1970s series.
 
My own theory about the final five and what happened to them :)

Nice one, I like that one too. :cool:

Hopefully this all ties back to the Cylon's "plan". At the beginning of the series, I thought I knew their "plan" after a while (what with Hera, etc. etc.) but then past season 2 I questioned if the Cylons themselves even knew what their "plan" was anymore. The opening sequence has always said they have a "plan" so do they still? Has it always been the same one since the beginning, but we simply haven't been aware of the compete thing yet?

Perhaps the final five are on Earth. The Cylons had another agent like Caprica Six doing espionage and accessing Colonial records to try and find out its location. When no record of it existed, they grew even more angry at their creators and moved to "Plan B" which was to infiltrate the defense matrix instead and ultimately wipe out the human race, save a few survivors, and hope they would then lead the Cylons to Earth. Heh heh, talk about extreme measures... ;) :D :cool:
 
BSG renewed for 22 episodes

The news is all over the web and on the official website: looks like we're officially getting a 2-hour DVD/TV special at the end of the year and Season 4 for sometime around early 2008...

Let's see how many people forget to set their TiVos/VCRs to record the extra five-ten minutes of Season 3 and complain about it on this thread... :D
 
I like the 1920's 30's music driving Tigh crazy. I think that the ship was picking up old Earth radio transmissions. And I don't think he's a Cylon. He served with distinction in the first Cylon War. The Colonial military would need to be dumb as rocks to let that slip by.

When Tori (the presidential aid) looks at Anders I think that he is really looking/listening at the radio signals. Of course its nice to speculate further and beyond on the eye looking :)
 
The news is all over the web and on the official website: looks like we're officially getting a 2-hour DVD/TV special at the end of the year and Season 4 for sometime around early 2008...

Let's see how many people forget to set their TiVos/VCRs to record the extra five-ten minutes of Season 3 and complain about it on this thread... :D

Very cool, thanks for the info! And 22 episodes, nonetheless! I would worry about them being diluted and not as potent, similar to what we experienced this past year with Season 3, but if this is (perhaps?) going to be the final season, then maybe the writers will kick it up a notch. After all, if they don't find Earth after a movie and 22 more episodes, when will they?!? :p ;) :D

Oh, and I'm sure there will be many people complaining about missing the last few minutes. Serves 'em right... :p :cool:
 
Just to clarify, they're counting the 2-hour special as 2 episodes. Should've made that clearer.

No worries at all - it actually makes more sense that way.

So when is the move out versus when Season 4 starts? Just "late this year, and early next year" respectively, with no firm dates? Or, I could just not be lazy and check the site myself... :eek: ;)
 
So when is the move out versus when Season 4 starts? Just "late this year, and early next year" respectively, with no firm dates? Or, I could just not be lazy and check the site myself... :eek: ;)

Looks that way. Considering how distant the dates are, and the fact that they haven't started shooting anything, BSG's dates are only slightly firmer than Leopard's release date.
 
I like the 1920's 30's music driving Tigh crazy. I think that the ship was picking up old Earth radio transmissions.
Once again something that happened in the old series, although then it was Apollo briefly picking up the moon landing. If the fleet is only 80-odd light years from Earth though it doesn't leave much scope for season four before they land. In the meantime those Cylon baseships could rain down nukes on Earth just as easily as they did Caprica.

I think there's something in that nebula ahead that's relevant to the music. Whether it's a sub-colony or some kind of abandoned relay station is another matter.

Great news about the renewal too. The viewing figures tailing off had me worried for a while.
 
No spoiers here

Okay, since I was 95% certain about some cliffhanger plot lines because of some production photos I saw that got yanked from the web a month ago I figured I might as well go a ahead and spoil myself farther to see if I was right.
Boy was I wrong. Actually the spoiler I read never directly addressed what I saw. So I still might right on both counts. I know I'm right on at least one. And the real surprise. The real big cliffhanger. You have got to be kidding me!
 
Tonight's episode (the end of season 3) -- ARGH. CRAPPY ENDING.

And no BSG until 2008! :mad:
 
Spoliers! (And bragging rights.)

SPOILER ALERT! Patting myself on the back here:

Sharp eye, indeed.

Does this mean that Starbuck's a...naaah...

My guess (which I have NOT DISCOVERED from Googling for spoilers) is that the final five will be revealed en masse and that Tigh, Anders, and Tory will be among the final five.

I called it. (Well, most of it.)

The finale helps redeems the uneven Season 3. On to the future!
 
NEWS FLASH! The Sunday, March 25, season finale of Battlestar Galactica will run five minutes longer than usual. If you plan on recording the episode, set your DVR or VCR to continue for five to 10 minutes after the end of the hour so you don't miss anything!

It was only 3 minutes, and it was just to tell us BSG starts again in 2008
 
I'm probably sticking my foot in my mouth but that's okay because I'm hungry anyway. But I think the final five being Anders, Tigh, Tyrol, Starbuck, and the President's Aide is just too obvious. I'm wondering if it's five others completely. Also, Admiral Adama never said that line "it's true, we're all Cylons" -- huh? I'm wondering if they're just trying to make it look like the aforementioned five are the final five and instead they're going to slap us in the face with 5 different ones.

Regardless, someone wake me up when it's 2008. I'm going to sleep.
 
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