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The Official Battlestar Galactica Thread : SPOILERS
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I enjoyed this one. It literally feels like we've come up for air again now that the filler is over. I wouldn't say that some of the ongoing plots are my favorite (like bomberman said, what's going on with Lee is kind of murky), but the trial has had the pleasant effect of bringing everyone's attention back to one place.
I really like the weird Tigh scenes, but I'm twice shy about them and the whole "a storm is coming" thing after the nonevent last season with Tyrol beating up Cally and "something dark is coming." I recall thinking that everything was going to change after that (and of course the cliffhanger), but was disappointed.
I sort of suspect that the "song in the ship" is what the cylons are actually using to track the fleet, although I would rather it turned out to be something more bizarre.
The trial seems convincing enough. They've got another good actress playing the female lawyer, which helps...
The resurgence of the President's cancer was arbitrary, but handled quite well. As long as it turns out to matter in the end, I'm behind it.
I hope, hope, hope the last episode ends up worth frowning over the others for.
I really like the weird Tigh scenes, but I'm twice shy about them and the whole "a storm is coming" thing after the nonevent last season with Tyrol beating up Cally and "something dark is coming." I recall thinking that everything was going to change after that (and of course the cliffhanger), but was disappointed.
I sort of suspect that the "song in the ship" is what the cylons are actually using to track the fleet, although I would rather it turned out to be something more bizarre.
The trial seems convincing enough. They've got another good actress playing the female lawyer, which helps...
The resurgence of the President's cancer was arbitrary, but handled quite well. As long as it turns out to matter in the end, I'm behind it.
I hope, hope, hope the last episode ends up worth frowning over the others for.
My first thought was that Galactica is picking up and resonating radio signals from elsewhere, perhaps even a sub-colony in the nebula ahead. It would set the fourth season up nicely if the fleet finds another 20,000 or so people only for the chasing Cylons to then come and destroy their home. Can you imagine the resentment towards the Colonials from the newcomers, even as they're forced to join the fleet and flee?
Then of course there is the possibility that Cylon Tigh is just projecting the song...
Anders only heard it on the radio in the bar. Saul heard it there, in the courtroom and in his quarters. Does Saul have metal plates in his head? Maybe if he is an earlier generation of organic Cylon, he still has metal in his body and the music is resonating off that as it does the ship.
I really don't know what I think in regards to the plot, but I do know this -- I own the DVDs for seasons 1, 2, and 2.5, and I'm considering passing on 3 when it comes out. I really haven't cared for this season much, although it is still one of the two only shows I watch on TV.
I appreciate them trying to round out the characters (insert fat Lee joke here!) but they concentrated so much on side plots that they didn't even get back to what made the first 2 seasons so successful -- the imminent threat of the Cylons being right on their tails. Granted this is just my opinion, but in watching all of season 3, I never had that feeling like anyone was ever in danger, which I think really made the first two seasons.
But the last episode for this Sunday does look good. I really wish they'd stop putting all these spoilers in the "next week on Battlestar Galactica" segments. That "it's true, we are Cylons" remark totally caught me off-guard.
I appreciate them trying to round out the characters (insert fat Lee joke here!) but they concentrated so much on side plots that they didn't even get back to what made the first 2 seasons so successful -- the imminent threat of the Cylons being right on their tails. Granted this is just my opinion, but in watching all of season 3, I never had that feeling like anyone was ever in danger, which I think really made the first two seasons.
But the last episode for this Sunday does look good. I really wish they'd stop putting all these spoilers in the "next week on Battlestar Galactica" segments. That "it's true, we are Cylons" remark totally caught me off-guard.
Maybe when they took his eye out they put something in there. Either intentionally or inadvertantly.
I downloaded Crossroads Pt. 1 from iTunes and it has NO opening titles. Not the "Cylon Titles," not the main titles with theme music and survivor count, and not the (annoying) flash-forward. It opened simply with a Galactica logo and "previously..."
Did it broadcast without opening titles too? (It did have end credits.) Just wondering.
Also... the prosecutor claimed that ~5000 were lost on New Caprica. Do the title numbers bear that out? Were whole ships left behind, was that mentioned?
What I remember is:
* A population for the new "Caprica City" that was already low before the invasion--but that would exclude those still in orbit.
* A big drop from the Cloud Nine disaster (which is Baltar's fault if they only knew).
Maybe it's impossible to tell how may were lost on Cloud Nine (and nearby ships) vs. on New Caprica.
EDIT: the counts at Battlestar Wiki suggest that the courtroom #s don't jibe with the title #s, but estimates that around 6k died on Cloud Nine and another 2k-5k on New Caprica. The title #s dropped by about 8000 (yikes!) from before Cloud Nine to after New Caprica. Seems like maybe not so many died on Cloud Nine after all.
In court, she said ~39k were left after New Caprica. Yet the title #s have said ~$41k all season long. I think she's referring ONLY to those who were on the planet. And yet... Caprica City had a population of ~39k in the title #s BEFORE the invasion. Someone's math is fuzzy. I call a mistrial!
BTW, Tigh is NOT the only one who heard the song. And when Anders heard it, his friend (forget her name) did not. (Inconclusive, but interesting.)
Did it broadcast without opening titles too? (It did have end credits.) Just wondering.
Also... the prosecutor claimed that ~5000 were lost on New Caprica. Do the title numbers bear that out? Were whole ships left behind, was that mentioned?
What I remember is:
* A population for the new "Caprica City" that was already low before the invasion--but that would exclude those still in orbit.
* A big drop from the Cloud Nine disaster (which is Baltar's fault if they only knew).
Maybe it's impossible to tell how may were lost on Cloud Nine (and nearby ships) vs. on New Caprica.
EDIT: the counts at Battlestar Wiki suggest that the courtroom #s don't jibe with the title #s, but estimates that around 6k died on Cloud Nine and another 2k-5k on New Caprica. The title #s dropped by about 8000 (yikes!) from before Cloud Nine to after New Caprica. Seems like maybe not so many died on Cloud Nine after all.
In court, she said ~39k were left after New Caprica. Yet the title #s have said ~$41k all season long. I think she's referring ONLY to those who were on the planet. And yet... Caprica City had a population of ~39k in the title #s BEFORE the invasion. Someone's math is fuzzy. I call a mistrial!
BTW, Tigh is NOT the only one who heard the song. And when Anders heard it, his friend (forget her name) did not. (Inconclusive, but interesting.)
Some kind of tracking device? That'd be a nice plot twist
Season 3 has suffered because they seriously overspent the budget on the episodes up until Exodus. Ron Moore mentions frequently on the early podcasts that the New Caprica sets and having the crew out on location led to a cost they would have to make up later on, and the later slower episodes involving less characters or special effects were the result.
Thanks for the info -- about those podcasts -- do they give away spoilers? I've tried to stay away from websites with info for BSG because I don't want to find out any spoilers. I saw this thread and decided to participate because I was curious what some others were thinking regarding the latest episodes. If the podcasts don't give away things, I'll probably start to check them out.
Always watch the episode before listening to the podcasts as Ron does sometimes give away details for later acts in that ep. "Mrs Ron" is usually there in the background and stops him from giving away details about upcoming storylines. In the main he talks about various production methods they took, when scenes were cut and what those scenes were, and when he thinks one of the actors is delivering a particularly good performance. He's also very good at giving credit to others when something he hasn't written has turned out well.
I enjoy listening to them, but tend to do it a couple of days after watching the ep so I've got time to digest the story beforehand.
That "It's true, we're all Cylons" comment also caught me off-guard... but the more that I think about it, the more skeptical that I become. Why would they drop such a bomb-shell of a plot twist in a preview for the next episode? Clearly to draw in viewers to see what the hell is going on... which makes me think that it was more of a "throwaway" statement. Perhaps Tyrol is responding in sarcastic/dead-pan manner to someone who poses that question to him.
While the thought of it is certainly intriguing... I don't think it will turn out to be true.
While the thought of it is certainly intriguing... I don't think it will turn out to be true.
Yeah, on that last closing mark of the preview for the next episode, the jaws of both my roommate and I hit the ground as we simultaneously exlaimed "What the $*@%!?"
It often seems like BSG is struggling to fit an hour: they turn one ep into a double, get permission to run longer eps, and sometimes just plain rush--like the "blink and you missed it" algae-planet rescue.
Given that, I've always thought they have WAY too much credits/intro! Maybe this "emergency measure" to achieve more running time will become a permement change for the better! They could keep the main titles, but skip the Cylon intro and the flash-forward, and I'd be happy. They could even merge a short form of the Cylon titles into the main title sequence. All they really need to set the stage for occasional viewers is, "The Cylons Were Created By Man. They Rebelled." and show two shots, one of Centurions and one of Number Eights. Bracket that with the Survivors text at the end, and you have a nice short opening title sequence. (Sad to see the cool Cylon music lost though!)
Im not sure if this has been mentioned, But did anyone notice that the population count changes with each episode?
After Starbuck died the count was down to like 41,399 whereas it was 41,409 a couple weeks prior.
After Starbuck died the count was down to like 41,399 whereas it was 41,409 a couple weeks prior.
heheh that was the main focus of nagromme post #608 because the shows opening credits (which were absent) didn't snow this number. Survivor count read. but yes it's a little something extra to pay attention to.
Never noticed it but it's a nice touch. Given that time transpires between episodes people are going to die, babies will be born and the population will fluctuate.
That's been there since the first season, though you only really notice it at particular times, like when it climbed 2,000 after the Pegasus arrived. It was nearly 50,000 before Cloud 9 went boom.
I also thought it was clever how they got a nice even hundred number prior to Starbuck dying. It emphasised her importance when it fell from 41,400 to 41,399.
I bet if you played them back to back most of the time it would reflect the people that died in the intervening episode.
Yes it does, more or less. Plus, realistically enough, sometimes unaccounted changes: people who were born/died outside of the story.
Oh yes, of course, ever since the first season they've been doing this - it's fun to watch! Can't believe you missed it actually!
I assume everyone is alslo aware that they took Katee Sackhoff out of the main credits when she died just to make it "official"?
I don't think the last line of the preview is, "It's true, we're all Cylons." I think the last line is, "It's true, we're Cylons." (You can rewatch the preview on the official website. I have no reason to believe that it has been altered.)
My guess (which I have NOT DISCOVERED from Googling for spoilers) is that the final five will be revealed en masse and that Tigh, Anders, and Tory will be among the final five.
My guess (which I have NOT DISCOVERED from Googling for spoilers) is that the final five will be revealed en masse and that Tigh, Anders, and Tory will be among the final five.
What will that mean then? Why them? And what are the odds that they would all survive the initial holocaust and end up on the same ship? Too much for it to be coincidence. Especially Anders, what with Starbuck going out of her way to rescue him... And plus, don't they all have families? They used to be kids, who grew up, etc. etc.? Tigh has been friends with Adama for ages, how is it that he's a Cylon? Although it would be amusing, since he is so anti-Cylon...
Just rhetorical questions more than anything. All I'm getting at is they will really need to explain and justify what the deal is with the final five, why they left the other models, what makes them special and how they all (conveniently) ended up on Galactica (if that is indeed the case....)
Should be a fun finale!
Can't really say anything because I know too much , but you probably shouldn't listen to this weeks RDM podcast because he gives away exactly whats going on with some of the characters who heard the music. He describes a scene that got cut from this episode, but he never said this odd plot point got dropped so it might come up in the next episode.
What, the strange looks Tory and Anders exchanged? I was hoping for more than what the podcast revealed (sort of - scenes cut for time cannot always be considered canonical, after all).
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