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My recollection is that it was a move against iTunes, but, in any case, I think it's fair to say that they're competitors at this time.

Here's a quotation in an article from 2007, for example:

"The Hulu project developed by NBC and Fox as an alternative to iTunes will fail, according to Don Reisinger in his C|Net Blog."

(Never mind that the prediction part turned out to be wrong--they always are! The point is, at the time Hulu was launched, this is what the media were saying, that it was an alternative to iTunes.)
 
My recollection is that it was a move against iTunes, but, in any case, I think it's fair to say that they're competitors at this time.
Hulu is a free, ad-supported alternative to YouTube and piracy.

It has nothing to do with iTunes, considering many networks probably make more money from shows bought on iTunes than on ad-supported sites like Hulu. Not only that, but the portable nature of iTunes shows would lend Hulu to an inherent disadvantage.
 
MMS Cost?

Anyone have any idea what AT&T might charge for adding MMS to your iPhone plan? I noticed that Apple states "fees may apply"

Anyone have a MMS plan on another phone?
 
Apple need to torrent it, this is ridiculous, just like the freaking Windows 7 Beta release :rolleyes:


Well thats because every one who is not a registered developer has to download it because they think they will get to install the 3.0 firmware on there phone.
 
Well I sat thru the announcements here, then read most of the comments in this thread.

Personally I have mixed feelings. Its good to finally have cut n paste and mms, even though I wont use either much, as its a basic function of a smartphone, or a basic phone in mms case. This is catch up, nothing "new" as such.

Some other stuff is ok, bluetooth is fine BUT it must be with a bonjour compliant device, bluetooth headsets are, without exception, crap, but hopefully some new ones will emerge now - will they sound any good though given bluetooths limited bandwidth (iirc), and again all this is catchup.

Videos I couldnt care less, if you want to make movies other people want to watch, buy a camcorder. Youtube MIGHT be less full of cack quality footage then.

Landscape mode and spotlight I think are great additions, and much needed.

What I really wished for was the two F's. Folders and Flash. My 9 pages are nearly full, I have cleared the crud, and now each new tantilising game or utility released quite frankly must now wait until its awesomeness outawesomes what I currently have, or will remain unpurchased. Also finding an app in a hurry can be a bit of a slog, let us reorganise our apps please Apple!

Flash is sorely missed by me, especially with amazing UK sites like TVCatchup offering amazing quality freeview channels just by logging on. Imagine watching live TV anywhere on your phone! Sadly because of the ommission of one little bit of software from iPhones web browser imagine is all we can do.

Cmon Apple, make the iPhone the unbeatable gadget it should be, sort the UI out and make the browser the full experience it should be right now.

EDIT: Forgot one other thing. We are getting DLC in our apps!!!!! YAY! FANTASTIC! They announce this like its a good thing? Riiiiight.

Sry for long post, have waited my time before I wrote this.
 
Hulu is a free, ad-supported alternative to YouTube and piracy.

It has nothing to do with iTunes, considering many networks probably make more money from shows bought on iTunes than on ad-supported sites like Hulu. Not only that, but the portable nature of iTunes shows would lend Hulu to an inherent disadvantage.

Again, it's a different model from iTunes, sure they make more money off iTunes purchases than the ads from hulu, but if 10 or even 100 people watch a show on hulu for every 1 person that buys the same show off iTunes I think it evens out, not to mention they're making money off some of the older shows on hulu that someone wouldn't normally buy off iTunes.
 
Here's a quotation in an article from 2007, for example:

"The Hulu project developed by NBC and Fox as an alternative to iTunes will fail, according to Don Reisinger in his C|Net Blog."

(Never mind that the prediction part turned out to be wrong--they always are! The point is, at the time Hulu was launched, this is what the media were saying, that it was an alternative to iTunes.)

I'd actually say the VAST majority of users/media consider Hulu an alternative to piracy and YouTube. At first, people were confused on what Hulu would be (many people that they would charge money, or if it would accept user-generated content). As of today, however, it's easy to see what Hulu is.

Time Magazine said:
Created as a network-approved alternative to YouTube's grab bag, Hulu was at first roundly mocked as a ham-fisted corporate knockoff of the grass-roots glory that is YouTube. (It was also mocked for its weird name.) Instead it proved that suits can play in the Internet video space too and that studio content can coexist online with the user-generated kind.
 
Hulu is a free, ad-supported alternative to YouTube and piracy.

It has nothing to do with iTunes, considering many networks probably make more money from shows bought on iTunes than on ad-supported sites like Hulu. Not only that, but the portable nature of iTunes shows would lend Hulu to an inherent disadvantage.

I'm sorry, you're wrong, iTunes was also a factor. Here's another quotation from the time (2007)(techcrunch):

"Was the decision [to leave iTunes] influenced by NBC’s ownership stake in the iTunes-competitive upcoming Hulu service? Almost certainly. The last thing the TV networks want to see is Apple having the kind of control over TV content that they do with music - 76% of online music sales come from iTunes."

This is what commentators were saying at the time. They may be saying something different in retrospect, but at the time NBC was embroiled in a dispute with Apple over pricing. I'm not denying that YouTube may also have been a factor, but the post I'm responding to wondered why Hulu videos aren't available on the iPhone, and it's because it's competition.
 
Anyone have any idea what AT&T might charge for adding MMS to your iPhone plan? I noticed that Apple states "fees may apply"

Anyone have a MMS plan on another phone?

in the uk on O2 one MMS is equivilent to 4 standard text messages. so they may use a similar method, or they may add a whole different charge.
 
Anyone have any idea what AT&T might charge for adding MMS to your iPhone plan? I noticed that Apple states "fees may apply"

Anyone have a MMS plan on another phone?

Standard operator fare is to count 1 MMS as 4 SMS on your contract or fees. However I'm in the UK, don't know about the US.
 
So underwhelming. Apple are just "releasing" features that should have been there in the first place. They truly are the masters of hype. :eek:
While its by no means underwhelming to me (you just need a small amount of imagination and vision to see the implications), I can see the oddness of this. Apple is implementing things as fast as it can, while attempting to build a solid foundation for its unified platform. So, while its virtually invented the first consumer multi-touch UI device and third-party SDK for it, its trying to make sure the entire enterprise is on solid footing... and does not introduce any "poison pills" into the mix that will eventually prevent smooth evolution of the platform.

Most people agree that their current SDK is simply excellent, and some of these new additions just multiply on this fact. For instance, Apple just tossed out a long time stumble-block by not only announcing 3rd Parties can interface with software and accessories (through Wifi and Bluetooth), but that the 2G iPod Touch platform has Bluetooth capabilities ready to activate. Everything is so cumulative, its intoxicating. Not only does the App Store serve 30 million... 30... million... active, purchase-capable device accounts, but Apple has create a new API to give even more granular purchasing controls through its systems.

Apple is... in a VERY real way, making themselves the standards bearer for the mobile marketplace. This isn't simply hype, its reality. Vendors are actively measuring their "store" efforts against "AppStore" (like many have been doing for iTunes). Accessory makers have been complaining about standardization forever, and Apple is providing unparalleled connection ubiquity amongst its devices (Bluetooth has been a glaring question, now answered). Copy/paste, turn-by-turn directions, and search haven't been added simply as a one-trick feature, but as an extensible API.

My big complain... which is a non-complaint... is my serious concern... NOT that Apple is simply blowing "hype" at people, while providing little real value... but that they are DUMPING value into their platform at firesale prices (or free of charge) compared to the competition. For instance, compare the iPod Touch OS/feature-set to any non-phone Palm PDA device. There is a point where its simply not fair to compare them, even on price. In the "phone" market, things are less clear, but just as worrisome. Do you know of many phones that can be used by a family long after the contract has ended? My old iPhone remains one of the most popular devices in our household. By 2010, Apple will have such a stranglehold on the market, by virtue of the real value its delivering, people will be speaking MUCH more loudly about "monopoly" and much less about "hype". Yet, that same "monopoly" power is somewhat passive and subtle... its what Apple is using to build value into its empire... and something Google is attempting to emulate by requiring all Google Android users to have a Google account to improve the consistency and polish of the customer experience.

After all these years, Palm is throwing away its ENTIRE OS and starting from the ground up. I think its a valiant attempt, and it had better be releasing super economic non-phone versions shortly after the Pre's launch. Palm seems to think the Pre is SO much better than the iPhone, that they'll be able to charge more than Apple's iPhone/iPod Touch $199/$229 starting price point.

This is the way the world of competition ends: Not with a bang but a whimper.

~ CB
 
Spotlight.....

Too bad it won't work like the native email app where you can search a key word in the body
 
It's not the same thing. You can embed H.264 on a site and have your browser use any number of players to watch it. When it's embedded INSIDE a .swf file which is embedded on a site, you must use flash to watch it.

Lets not have facts get in the way here.
 
join you in your "rage"? where you watching the same press conference... apple delivered almost everything you could want...

1. huge amount of bluetooth functionality
2. peer to peer
3. push
4. mms
5. landscape keyboard
6. spotlight
7. multi-picture email
8. voice memos
9. copy and paste
10. in-app subscriptions
11. stereo bluetooth
12. client side support of tethering
13. new video and audio codecs
14. turn by turn application support
15. TONS MORE FEATURES TOO...

what was missing? video sure... but that is likely a hardware problem that can't be solved. you'll see it in the new iphone this summer i bet. flash is still an open question. BUT THAT'S IT, the rest of the checklist has been checked.

OUTSTANDING CONFERENCE BY APPLE.



Actually U Can Jailbreak It And Video Record So ITs Not Hardware
 
Anyone have any idea what AT&T might charge for adding MMS to your iPhone plan? I noticed that Apple states "fees may apply"

Anyone have a MMS plan on another phone?

AT&T doesn't charge for MMS if you have a text messaging plan. MMS is included in text messaging plans. If you don't have a plan, then it's like $.50 per MMS, $.20 per SMS, etc.
 
Palm Pre

It really seems like apple is doing things they should have done a long time ago. I just read a blog post about how they hype everything up even if its not worth hyping. I could not agree more. I hate to say it. But the Palm Pre looks cooler than the iPhone.
 
Universal inbox

Great update, but i sure wish that they would deliver a way to see all unread mails from all accounts in one place. Drilling in and out of 5 mail accounts is a pain in the a#s...can't be that hard to implement a single smart folder above the rest surely??
 
It really seems like apple is doing things they should have done a long time ago. I just read a blog post about how they hype everything up even if its not worth hyping. I could not agree more. I hate to say it. But the Palm Pre looks cooler than the iPhone.

Yes, they should have done it a long time ago, but would you prefer they not do it? Either way people are going to complain cause that's what people like to do, Apple can't go back and time and change things, all they can do is add features now, in the present.
 
IIRC, MMS is part of 3G, and since the first-gen iPhone does not support 3G....

I haven't read the whole thread as there are already around 400 comments now, but I did see quite a few people say, "MMS is not part of 3G".

Well, you're both right.
Kind of.

MMS predates 3G, for sure. I was working on MMS implementations for GSM and GPRS devices back in the early naughties. I even worked for a start-up who's business model was built around MMS-based apps - all before 3G was launched.

The trouble was it sucked. One of the things we spent a lot of time working on at the start-up was equalising all the differences between different implementations of MMS.

Also, after working at three different companies where I was involved with MMS implementations, I still struggled to actually send the damn things myself! I think I have successfully sent a total of two MMS outside of lab conditions in my life (I'm sure hard core MMS users will laugh at this, but it's true).

And when you did send them they were quirky, limited, awkward things that you realised you never wanted to use if you could help it. Why can't we use email instead? Oh yeah, phones don't support email (well, some did through tricky to use proxies and such)....

The 3G spec incorporated MMS and extended it a little. My involvement there was limited, so I can't go into too much detail but I believe some of the limitations were removed, and possibly the standard was tightened to remove too many implementation differences.

So my guess is that what Apple mean is that they have a complete 3G stack (which I believe was bought in) which includes 3G's MMS standard. They have just added the UI for this release so we can actually use it. But to support it on the 1st gen phone, which is theoretically possible, would require them to implement a whole parallel version of the MMS protocol (probably in-house), to a looser, and more problematic, spec.

So saying that it's a "different radio" is not strictly accurate, but not entirely out either. After all, it just summarises what I have spent a screenful of text explaining in two words :)
 
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