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Turning off Flash/plugins in desktop Safari/Firefox isn't an accurate test. Most sites that cater to the iPhone/iPod Touch use the user-agent string to determine that the user is using one of those devices and then displays the content created for them. The same will, in all likelihood, also be true for the iPad.

YouTube serves H.264 to AppleTV/iPhone/iPod Touch, where H.264 versions are available. They're converting stuff all the time to H.264 so it's not like it's just a little bit of YouTube.

As for the other sites you listed, and the gazillions you didn't: in how many cases is Flash critical to being able to use/enjoy the site? A percentage much smaller than 100, in my experience; certainly not very many in the list you provided. Further, any site who's front page is just a big Flash widget is one that doesn't deserve to be revisited until that particular act of poor design is fixed, but that's just me. It's nice if a Flash plugin is available but you can't reasonably state that it's anywhere near absolutely required to access the majority of Flash-using sites' core functionality.

Sure, Flash is all over the place. Is it absolutely required to nonetheless enjoy surfing the web for several hours a day, for as many days as you want? Not at all.


YouTube - Flash based. Yeah yeah yeah, HTML5 beta version, but it's Flash based for now. Apple has a special app for this but you don't get the full YouTube content and functionality, customized pages etc.

Facebook - not Flash based per se, but all the bells and whistles are. Applications, games etc.

MySpace - every damn MySpace page has a flash based music jukebox.

MSN - you'd think Microsoft would favor Silverlight, but anything that moves here is Flash.

Wikipedia - yeah, this one is Flash free.

TV network home pages -- all of'em have streaming content these days that let you watch episodes and clips, all Flash based AFAIK. And it's not just the US ones, every country has a few of these.

These are some of the sites that the mainstream public will most likely visit when they unpack their new shiny iPad, and they will be greeted by blue Lego everywhere. Who cares if these sites will move away from Flash in the coming years? The iPad will start shipping in 50 days. Word of mouth during the initial period will be important as f***, and the word will not be "yup, it's indeed the best way to experience the web", but rather "hey, where'd the web go?"

Steve lingered on the blue Lego long enough to make it clear that he wanted to signal to content providers "in 60 days, make sure these are history". Dream on...
 
Apple would have a big advantage in that race to the bottom. In theory, Apple could still make good profits off the iPad users it can "train" to pay for content and apps.
I came the realization yesterday that the $499 was probably the closest thing that I've ever seen Apple release as a loss leader. I don't think anyone was expecting it at that price even if it is just a "big iPod Touch".

Interesting take. Maybe they *are* working on the Next Generation (to keep the Star Trek theme ;) ) Courier style product in the background. But if so, it will orphan the iPad when it comes out. But like you say, by then the iPad will be the bargain basement product, maybe even like one of those kiddy computers.
You hear "innovation" right alongside Apple often but Microsoft does drop hints time to time about EXPERIMENTAL projects that probably never see the light of day. For some reason I seem to remember a documentary on Microsoft where they briefly mention the number of experimental things that are done there.

Apple brings bits of the future today but they don't seem to go as far as experimental. Controlled would be more appropriate.

But the problem is, until slates are ready to completely take over from laptops (and since laptops have already entered desktop space, that means slates are ready to replace your desktop, assuming the proper docking, external monitors and accessories are in place), I don't think consumers are willing to spend laptop or desktop type money on slates. That squeezes the acceptable price points down quite a long way.
It is starting to look like a transitional period.

In a few years, we will be there. Then Apple will have to release a full OSX compatible slate type computer, or something with a whole new touch integrated OS. But to make that product window, they would have to already be working on it.
I see the iPad as an interim solution until that time.

Agreed. It was way too earnest. Johnny Ive in the promo video is simply way over the top. I hope it's only for show and not indicative of how these people talk at work.
It was a little scary to be honest. I don't normally watch Apple's product videos out of fear for this kind of stuff.
 
We'll see what happens come OS 4.0. I can agree that the iPad is different than the iPhone. Including Flash makes far greater sense for this size of device. My fiancee even mentioned Hulu specifically as something she hoped it could do.

What is your bet? Does Apple include some type of Flash option?
 
Seems like the tech IS HERE for this... to keep the price down, 1 screen instead of 2, obviously. I really thought apple could pull something like this off, perhaps simplified a bit. I think a lot of people were expecting something in this direction. When I think "magical"... this is what I picture. This would have been an extension of the iphone experience. I don't think it would have to be done from the ground up. I think the current pad hardware could kick ass if they wished (plus a stinking camera)...

Instead... maybe it is a race to the bottom? I wish they would just say that, rather than blow artificial sunshine up everyones arses...

Nobody expected the iPad to be like the Courier. Nobody. I kept up with the rumors and there wasn't a one. Zero. The Courier is MS's equivalent of a digital dayplanner. Apple would never make that so MS has plenty of time to develop and market it. It might be the only niche that MS is successful at.
 
I came the realization yesterday that the $499 was probably the closest thing that I've ever seen Apple release as a loss leader. I don't think anyone was expecting it at that price even if it is just a "big iPod Touch".

techcrunch, crunchgear or gizmodo... not sure which has an article that estimates their profit off each pad will be $200-260 I think... not a big loss there... that furthered my dislike of the thing...

here...

http://news.techwhack.com/11705-apple-ipad-manufacture

"Market analyst Brian Marshall of BroadPoint AmTech has stated that the bill of materials in a 16GB Wi-Fi-only iPad comes to around USD 270 – 290. Apple sells this model in the market for USD 499."

I would think I could get a lousy camera and flash support for that kind of profit....
 
Why Fan Boy?

Because your looking a apple like everthing they do is perfect.

No matter how bad a decsion they make you find a way to justify it.

Not having flash is bad move.

Why are you defending apple?

Are you a fan boy?

I don't look at them as perfect. I was simply addressing FUD presented in an image. Read some of my subsequent posts. I am not sure how you are able to make such a wide sweeping opinion of me based on that post. I think Flash on this size device makes more sense than the iPhone, but 75 million users of iPod touches and iPhones don't seem to mind so much. There are issues with Flash that are inarguable on Mac OS.

Why are you defending Adobe? Are you an Adobe fan boy?

Look, I would love a webcam with 256GB of storage and Flash and etc... but it isn't going to be in the version so why keep harping on it? And why keep calling people fan boys? It takes away any credibility to your argument.
 
techcrunch, crunchgear or gizmodo... not sure which has an article that estimates their profit off each pad will be $200-260 I think... not a big loss there... that furthered my dislike of the thing...

It's actually more... here...

http://news.techwhack.com/11705-apple-ipad-manufacture

"Market analyst Brian Marshall of BroadPoint AmTech has stated that the bill of materials in a 16GB Wi-Fi-only iPad comes to around USD 270 – 290. Apple sells this model in the market for USD 499."

I would think I could get a lousy camera and flash support for that kind of profit....
That's still just for the hardware though. There are still more assorted costs after you've gotten it out of the factory and before it ever got there.
 
What exactly is wrong with Snow Leopard's development cycle? Please elaborate. Also, you must be aware that there is solid sourcing to OSX 10.7 in development and probably available to developers as an early beta at WWDC this year.

What is wrong with it is that from the users' point of view, SL brought no significant benefits. Thus, not much has happened since Leopard was released 2.5 years ago. In the mean time, MS has released Win7, which contains much needed enhancements, many of which are similar to 10.5 and 10.6. From *my* perspective, Apple is losing its edge of innovation on the desktop. That is what I meant. I don't see any published roadmap or view of 10.7, so while we know it will come, we don't know when or what it will be like.

Seriously, you sound like a concern troll, and worse, you need to get some facts to back your concerns and allegations.

I had to look it up. I'm trying to take a balanced view. If a concern troll is anyone who is not a fanboy and not an overt troll, then OK. But I'm being totally honest and trying to work things as I go along. I do not have a covert agenda. I'm fascinated by Apple, I think it is by far the most interesting consumer technology company, if not consumer company period, not just from the point of view of its products, but also the business itself: its values, business practices, and marketing.
 
That's still just for the hardware though. There are still more assorted costs after you've gotten it out of the factory and before it ever got there.


"Apple would be making an even bigger profit on sales of the 3G editions because they are around USD 130 more expensive. The cost of adding a 3G module to the iPad is significantly low.

Experts believe that this give Apple tons of space to play around with pricing in the coming years.

The most expensive component on the iPad is said to be its multi-touch enabled display which costs around USD 100!"

True... wonder what their margin is for other apple products... Seems like this one won't be a loser if someone will buy it
 
I cannot believe that the iMac and MBP has a SD Card read and :apple: could not include a built-in one. Come on, an adapter for this luxury. :apple: is just trying to screw the iPad user. What happens when the iPad is docked and you want to insert an SD card, yep forget it.

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The lack of SD slot was really my only complaint, based on it becoming quite common in the laptop and iMac lines (probably will show up on Mac Pro's as well when they get refreshed, probably in March).

The keyboard dock has a 30 pin port out the back specifically for that purpose.
 
You hear "innovation" right alongside Apple often but Microsoft does drop hints time to time about EXPERIMENTAL projects that probably never see the light of day. For some reason I seem to remember a documentary on Microsoft where they briefly mention the number of experimental things that are done there.
Microsoft does everything in public, Apple does everything in secret. I'm sure there's plenty of weird experimentation going on in Cupertino, but it's performed inside a guarded vault behind 20 walls, by people who are blindfolded to keep them from seeing the products or eachother. And then they're killed, just to make sure they won't talk.

Both approaches have their pros and cons. Apple's approach is more mysterious and professional, but it can be extremely frustrating, especially when they refuse to comment on some broken aspect of a newly released product. First they won't acknowledge there's anything wrong at all, then they'll acknowledge it but refuse to say if and when they're going to fix it.

Microsoft's approach is more inviting, but also makes them look like jackasses sometimes, especially when they keep changing their plans. Just look at the Longhorn/Vista period where they promised features and release dates left and right. Pitiful. The exact same things are probably happening at Apple all the time, but behind closed doors.
 
I don't look at them as perfect. I was simply addressing FUD presented in an image. Read some of my subsequent posts. I am not sure how you are able to make such a wide sweeping opinion of me based on that post. I think Flash on this size device makes more sense than the iPhone, but 75 million users of iPod touches and iPhones don't seem to mind so much. There are issues with Flash that are inarguable on Mac OS.

Why are you defending Adobe? Are you an Adobe fan boy?

Look, I would love a webcam with 256GB of storage and Flash and etc... but it isn't going to be in the version so why keep harping on it? And why keep calling people fan boys? It takes away any credibility to your argument.

Last time people flipped out on apple for removing FireWire on the MacBook they quickly changed it for the next upadate with Firewire 800 on all macs.

You gotta make allot of noise for apple to hear you.

As for the flash on iPhone, i was not that worried since it's just a phone, but the ipad is like a full sized Internet machine so it's just silly not to have it. I don't want a ipad if all the sites I go to are dumbed down mobile versions.

I'm not a adobe fanboy I think they should make Flash open source. Either way Flash is more of standard on the net than something like QuickTime.
 
Ipad Profit...

I should get the OPTION of FLASH for this kind of profit margin... you should too:

Apple makes $208 on each $499 iPad
Profits jump to $446 on top-end $829 model, analyst estimates

"Apple's iPad line as a whole enjoys a margin of approximately 50%, assuming that the lower-priced Wi-Fi-only tablets sell much better than the 3G models. In a research note to investment clients, Marshall called the iPad "another grand slam for Apple," and upped his estimate of iPad sales during 2010 from 2.2 million to 7 million.

High profit margins are standard for Apple, which earlier in the week boasted that its corporate margin for 2009's final quarter was 40.1%. Some products, in fact, have estimated margins even higher than Marshall's iPad numbers: The consensus for the iPhone 3GS is above 60%, for example."

"iSuppli, a research firm in El Segundo, Calif., that's noted for tearing apart electronics to build detailed BOM models, declined to provide its own estimate today, saying that it was working on a preliminary price list that it would publish sometime next week.

"We really want to wait until we know a little more about what's inside," said Andrew Rassweiler, the director of iSuppli's teardown services. "We'd rather not just throw numbers at it yet."

Even so, iSuppli has come to some preliminary conclusions about the iPad. "It does seem like a gigantic iPod Touch," said Rassweiler, "which means that although some costs would just scale up from the iPod, like the display and the touch screen, a lot won't." The iPad components that provide Wi-Fi, Bluetooth and GPS, for example, will likely be the same parts used in the iPod Touch."

http://www.computerworld.com/s/article/9150045/Apple_makes_208_on_each_499_iPad

Kinda makes me sick... seeing that my two mackbook pros started falling apart soon after the warranty expired... my 1.83 core duo lost it's cold cathode backlight and superdrive... and my newer mackbook pro 17" has a cheap keyboard.... the "7" key is messed up.

Another thought... it is a big ipod touch... the only real work they did was scaling it up and some modifications in iwork... minimal R&D expenditures... now they are trying to make 50%+ profit off their past R&D... it's bogus...
 
Microsoft does everything in public, Apple does everything in secret. I'm sure there's plenty of weird experimentation going on in Cupertino, but it's performed inside a guarded vault behind 20 walls, by people who are blindfolded to keep them from seeing the products or eachother. And then they're killed, just to make sure they won't talk.

Both approaches have their pros and cons. Apple's approach is more mysterious and professional, but it can be extremely frustrating, especially when they refuse to comment on some broken aspect of a newly released product. First they won't acknowledge there's anything wrong at all, then they'll acknowledge it but refuse to say if and when they're going to fix it.

Microsoft's approach is more inviting, but also makes them look like jackasses sometimes, especially when they keep changing their plans. Just look at the Longhorn/Vista period where they promised features and release dates left and right. Pitiful. The exact same things are probably happening at Apple all the time, but behind closed doors.
I don't know what I'd do without you. :D

Also thanks for the brief history of Adobe and Apple for the 2000's in the other threads. :D
 
As for the flash on iPhone, i was not that worried since it's just a phone, but the ipad is like a full sized Internet machine so it's just silly not to have it. I don't want a ipad if all the sites I go to are dumbed down mobile versions.

I can respect that. I too don't want a mobile internet site popping up on a 9.7" display. Plus, if I miss an episode of Lost, I want to catch it on the iPad :)
 
Seriously, you've made up this scenario regarding Apple and Steve Jobs without any background information or rumors to support it.

Umm, that's why I used the words "speculation" and "guess". Let me put it another way. If I was head of a company like Apple and I had $7.6Billion in cash, I would be looking at trying to create a revolutionary product. As a (former) software developer I understand how difficult it is to scale up, and get large projects done quickly. So that informed my speculation. What would you do with $7.6b?
 
Listen to the entire conversation by Steve leading up to your quote.

Steve said that for a new category of devices to exist between smart phones and laptops, it would have to do certain key tasks better than the two. Those tasks being browsing the internet, email, displaying and sharing photos, enjoying music collection, playing games, and eBooks. He then goes onto say that some think that the answer is a netbook, and then goes on to your quote. He explains though that netbooks are generally slow with cheap displays and clunky software. In effect, the netbook is not a new category of product between smart phones and laptop, but is rather a cheap laptop, which is accurate and proves his position.

Your list is inconsequential because you are comparing a laptop to a new category of product. Since you posted it, let's go ahead and discuss it and see how it relates to Steve's point.

I'm going to dissect you're subjective rebuttals as bluntly and clearly as possible, there is so much wrong with this kind of logic it makes my eyes bleed just reading this type of nonsense.

Before I begin, you really make it evident that you force yourself into omitting BASIC advantages and BASIC STANDARDS of general software experience, for the sole reason of owning such a crippled iPad, it reeks of blatant bias.

1.) Physical Keyboard
OF course a laptop has one. The iPad is new breed of tablet and no need for physical input. The work done on this device will not warrant it and is silly to include on the list. If you want one, you can attach a bluetooth one or the dock.

One of the main selling points of the release in terms of the available applications was iWorks (which imo, is a very dodgy alternative to ms word as opening files from standard editions of ms word of file from iWorks does not guarantee full compatibility of formatting). This, along with the fact that the tablet DOES require some kind of textual input, warrants a valid 'con' to the ever-growing list of limitations/annoyances of the iPad. Now, I have yet to see an accurate touch screen (i've really tried to get used to the iphones, but spelling mistakes come up far too often), one that allows me to quickly type on the input, something on par or at least close to a physical keyboard. The fact that the onscreen keyboard does not behave like a real keyboard or contain all the characters as it requires switching modes, is another downfall.

This is a workaround, clearly, and while the iphones sales success has proven people either like it are willing to put up with it (i hate it), is another thing to think about. As youve noticed (hopefully) from reading other blogs, people want physical keyboards in their devices. I shouldnt have to explain why, its quite obvious. I own a Nokia E71 Smartphone, i type way faster on it than anyone with an iPhone. The same will hold true for the iPad compared to a tactile keyboard in similar size.

2.) Widescreen
Widescreen in a laptop makes sense. In a handheld device, not so much. The iPad would be too damn skinny and wouldn't be optimized for the plethora of other things the device does, all which require screen real estate.

Hand held not so much? More like, not at all, as almost ALL touch based, slider and other smartphones (and none smartphones alike) are being pumped out with widescreen aspect ratio. The fact that you mention it would be problematic as it wouldnt be optimized for other things the iPad does shows that it really is just an inflated iPhone. Then again, I think many of us would welcome a widescreen tablet, though this is purely a subjective outlook on your part (mine as well) so it has no baring in this discussion. For laptops, widescreen as you mentioned makes sense, though in my opinion, why would it not to continue the same treatment to a touchscreen only laptop.

3.) Webcam
I think maybe the angle is an issue. This I will concede because I can see the value in a webcam.

Lack of webcam is a big hurt.
4.) Card Reader
There is an adapter for that

That doesnt make the iPad any more portable, this same problem came up with the macbook air; so many things were tossed out at the expense of making it slim when at the end of the day the physical dimensions that matter (length and width) were still the same.

5.) USB, LAN, expansion ports
Again, this isn't supposed to be a laptop. It is supposed to be a standalone device. LAN negates its point, and there is a USB adapter for that when needed.

The iPad requires wifi, basically, unless its the 3G version. For the record, i didnt make the image of the comparison, i pulled it off facebook. Either way, its just another nail in the coffin for the iPad, the list of cons is impressive.

6.) Removable Battery
10 hours+ of battery life is more than enough for most people.

Apple has the worst history with battery life ratings. You know, I remember when I first bought an iPod. It was rated at a vague '8 hours or more' Well, whats more? 5 hours more? 50 hours? 5 minutes? The battery eventually crapped out on me, lasting me 20-30 minutes before a recharge was necessary and when that wasnt enough, the hard drive failed.

I've since taken apple's battery life claims with a grain of salt. Its done me good.

However, 10 hours is enough for most people? Like I said, before I got my iPod, I thought 8 hours was enough. Clearly not. 10 hours for a portable device isnt much. This thing, as much simplicity it screams it offers, should last much longer. I'm sure the screen does the most damage in terms of draining the battery life, especially being an IPS panel. Regardless, to assume that consumers will be pleased with 10 hours is pure speculation and irrational judgement.

7.)Flash Support
I won't be baited into a flash/no flash argument here. However, Apple's position is that omitting a proprietary plugin that routinely crashes the browser and hogs resources in OS X makes for a better browsing experience. Before giving me a cute photo with a bunch of blue symbols, check this one out too.

Well, from your brief rant about flash being such a negative aspect of the web world, its easy to see you agree with big brother. Doesnt matter, both of you, along with the rest of the occult can scream bloody murder about flash being bollocks, it doesnt matter: ITS REQUIRED ON A HUGE NUMBER OF WEBSITES. Jobs really did himself well when he went across the New York Times website during his keynote. That is clearly NOT 'the best experience'.

8.) Video Out
This supports Apple composite and component out cables.

Thats where the image does stand corrected.

9.) Open platform
It is Apple's position that acting as the intermediary allows for a more stable experience for users and a sound distribution method for devs. Looks at income stats for iPhone devs vs. Android or Microsoft.

This is where I don't buy any of this drivel about it being beneficial to the user. How? Restrictions are never good for the consumer, not unless you just blindly believe whatever big brother tells you. Steve Jobs may want to keep everything tight, but he's way off, mainly because hes limiting his consumer and market reach. Thats why youre going to see people switching to android and windows, because those devices allow them some freedoms.
10.) Multitasking
The final product isn't confirmed, but even if it just as it is on the iPhone, most multitasking isn't needed as background processes. Quick app switching works fine. I will concede the ever popular pandora example, but given that the iPod app will likely still be able to run in the background, who cares?

Multitasking is clearly a massive FAILURE on apples part. If this device is supposed to be a middle ground between phones and notebooks......why in the hell is the user experience EXACTLY the same as it is on the iphone? There is NOTHING that sets it apart other than the size of the screen.

Opinions on this matter need to stay out, multitasking being overlooked is a clear sign of fanboyism.

11.) Storage
Yet again, this is a new type of device, not a laptop. For most people 16GB works fine for the purpose of this device.

Youre right, it probably will be, I mean, with all its limitations and small scale applications, iPhone OS (no real OS as I was expecting) this thing has little purpose to offer great expansion, not unless you want to load music and videos onto this thing. Videos I could understand, its an acceptable screen size, but why 16+ gb of music on an iPad, its not really intended for being media device, its a jack of all trades, master of none.

12.) Touch screen
This should be expanded to note the amazing multitouch technology that Apple has. This alone is one of the biggest reasons that Jobs claims the iPad works as a new category of device doing things better than a smart phone or a laptop. The way in which users interact with the iPad, i.e. with the internet, email, photos, music, games, ebooks, and any other applications is the point Steve is trying to make.
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Multitouch is of course an obvious requirement for touchscreens now. And while it has no tactile keyboard, it also obviously needs it. I wonder though, how often do people actually use the screen in 'multi' touch form apart from zooming in and out of images, maps, etc.

Too many apple fanboys are glorifying an apple product without realizing what theyre missing out on. This in my opinion is undisputable, no other brand has these kinds of faithful consumers. It really is a sad sight to see people blindly praising a PRODUCT. Would be better if they did so with rational thinking at LEAST, or better yet, that and praising a figure like Gandhi. But this........IS A PRODUCT, its not a girlfriend.
 
What is wrong with it is that from the users' point of view, SL brought no significant benefits. Thus, not much has happened since Leopard was released 2.5 years ago. In the mean time, MS has released Win7, which contains much needed enhancements, many of which are similar to 10.5 and 10.6. From *my* perspective, Apple is losing its edge of innovation on the desktop. That is what I meant. I don't see any published roadmap or view of 10.7, so while we know it will come, we don't know when or what it will be like.

Apple told everyone up front that they were going to rebuild the underpinnings of the OS, and what you got is GrandCentral Dispatch, OpenCL, and 64 bit for just about everything. Sure, there was some other minor stuff, but that was the importance of the release. Since then, Apple has released two point versions and a third is in developers hands.

As for the OSX 10.7 roadmap, there won't be anything coming directly from Apple until WWDC. Even then, details will be sparse. This is Apple's way.

I don't worry about OSX precisely because MS hasn't yet demonstrated any innovation of late in Windows, which is unsurprisingly how you see Apple. Myself, I see Apple doing what it does, which is keep its corporate mouth shut about what happening in Cupertino on future products.

I'll be honest with you. If you want to get ahead of the curve on Apple, you need to read John Gruber at:

http://daringfireball.net/

He really understands what Apple is about. He has some great posts up most everyday.
 
Like flash or not. That is not the question.

Apple should have worked with Adobe to get flash on the iPad/iPhone/iPod. Let the user decide if they want the hassles that come with Flash.

Nobody on here can say it's better with no flash than to offer the choice. Choice is flash.

I don't care if you are Anti-Flash, you can't be opposed to a company offering a technology that apparently millions of people want. Flash on Apple mobile products should be available. If you don't like it, turn it off.

1. No. It's not apparent that millions of people demand that Flash be present when they surf the internet. Adobe ONLY got their current install base by getting Apple and Microsoft to ship their plugin with the OS. Until they did that, their install base was MUCH lower.

2. It's MUCH more involved than just Apple letting Adobe give them some code to include in the iPhone OS. The only way their stuff even marginally works on mobile processors is by having hardware assisted graphics available to their code. Do you know if that hardware is even present on the iPad? If it's not, must Apple redesign their product to also include this extra hardware? And will you pay extra for the extra time, effort and hardware that needs to be thrown into the product for Flash?

3. It sounds like the iPad, if it ships as is without Flash support, will threaten somebodies job [somebody posting on this thread] because they know and use some Flash-specific tool for their work, and they know that their boss will want them to make their stuff work on the iPad. And they don't want to learn how to do it.

Some people here seem to be of the opinion that if Apple doesn't include some specific feature in a product, that the product and Apple is doomed, so they shouldn't even bother making the product.

Between the judgment of some of the folks here and the management of Apple, I'll pick the side that has repeatedly made and won multi-billion dollar bets on what features and capabilities a device needs to be successful.

And I'll bet a year from now, Apple's management will have picked right, even if they only sell 9,999,999 instead of the 10,000,000 that analysts expect they will sell.
 
The lack of SD slot was really my only complaint, based on it becoming quite common in the laptop and iMac lines (probably will show up on Mac Pro's as well when they get refreshed, probably in March).

The keyboard dock has a 30 pin port out the back specifically for that purpose.

I realize that it has a 30pin port out of the back of the dock, however I was under the impression that was used during charging to connect the USB cable. What if you are charging and dock it at the same time and want to use an SD card. You are out of luck. Lets say you are using the USB on a MacBook. No SD slot there either.

I guess for a device that is supposed to be as minimal as possible, :apple: had to stick it to those users where a built-in SD slot would have made a big difference.
 
Last time people flipped out on apple for removing FireWire on the MacBook they quickly changed it for the next upadate with Firewire 800 on all macs.
MacBook Pro's have now and have always had Firewire. MacBooks no longer have Firewire and haven't since the MacBook Unibody lost Firewire.
 
MacBook Pro's have now and have always had Firewire. MacBooks no longer have Firewire and haven't since the MacBook Unibody lost Firewire.

really they actually redesigned it to remove FireWire 400? Douche bags.
 
I realize that it has a 30pin port out of the back of the dock, however I was under the impression that was used during charging to connect the USB cable. What if you are charging and dock it at the same time and want to use an SD card. You are out of luck. Lets say you are using the USB on a MacBook. No SD slot there either.

I guess for a device that is supposed to be as minimal as possible, :apple: had to stick it to those users where a built-in SD slot would have made a big difference.

Apple expects you to stop charging, insert the adaptor, and do your upload. PITA but I could live with it I suppose.

It would be great if there was an Eye-Fi card that supported an adhoc network with the iPad, but I don't hold hope of that.
 
LOL. Why didn't Apple just choose a different popular page that doesn't use Flash, and get by without the "brick" at all?

Oh wait, there aren't many popular pages without Flash.

Lack of Flash is a huge pill to swallow for potential iPad buyers, especially since this is supposedly being marketed to "most consumers" who are used to using STANDARD COMPLIANT DEVICES. If this is a device that provides the "best" internet experience, then it had better be, AT LEAST, compatible with the technologies of today. The Droid and a few other smartphones already have Flash 10.1. There's really no excuse at this point...
 
really they actually redesigned it to remove FireWire 400? Douche bags.

I seem to recall that it had something to do with using Intel's chipset for the southbridge, requiring a separate chip, another potential battery drain of 7A from a connected peripheral, and lack of space, so they traded the firewire port for another USB.

Easier to justify Firewire 800 on the MacBook Pro's.
 
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