Apple Corrects iPad Promo Video to Show No Flash Capability

[RBR2]

You "Steve must go" guys have a strange notion of what the job of a CEO is, I think.

Perhaps so, but not as strange as his idea of what a CEO is. He micromanages everything and won't tolerate anything except "yes men". He is also out of touch with what goes on in the real world outside his reality distortion field. Input from customers? Not likely with him at the helm.

Cheers

 

[cmaier]

Perhaps so, but not as strange as his idea of what a CEO is. He micromanages everything and won't tolerate anything except "yes men". He is also out of touch with what goes on in the real world outside his reality distortion field. Input from customers? Not likely with him at the helm.

Cheers

You don't like the processes he uses, but his job is not to empower his employees or stroke their egos. His job is not to seek input from customers. His job is not to seek contrary input.

His job is to raise the value of the shareholders stock, by converting land, labor, and capital into more profits than the competition. He's been successful in that regard, and that's the only scorecard that matters.

As for your premise, I happen to know that Apple DOES seek input from customers. I've received unsolicited phone calls from Apple on several occasions asking about my needs in a particular vertical market. They may not seek your input, but that's not the same as not seeking anyone's.

 

[GoodWatch]

You don't like the processes he uses, but his job is not to empower his employees or stroke their egos. His job is not to seek input from customers. His job is not to seek contrary input.

His job is to raise the value of the shareholders stock, by converting land, labor, and capital into more profits than the competition. He's been successful in that regard, and that's the only scorecard that matters.

As for your premise, I happen to know that Apple DOES seek input from customers. I've received unsolicited phone calls from Apple on several occasions asking about my needs in a particular vertical market. They may not seek your input, but that's not the same as not seeking anyone's.

When was the last time you spoke to Steve? Yesterday perhaps? How do they know your phone number? How do they know who you are? (This is not being sarcastic, I'm just curious why Apple picked you out of millions...).

 

[cmaier]

When was the last time you spoke to Steve? Yesterday perhaps? How do they know your phone number? How do they know who you are? (This is not being sarcastic, I'm just curious why Apple picked you out of millions...).

It wasn't Steve. They contacted me through the developer program to discuss the needs of mac users in the legal profession, back in the days when iphone apps were all webapps (pre app store).

Edit: what I meant was, that's when the first contacted me. I've heard from them a few times since then, most recently about 6 months ago.

 

[Bthomp1960]

Kindle Killer?

I wonder if the Kindle App will be available on the IPad (as it is currently on the Iphone)? If so, you can read an e-book bought on Amazon on the IPad (win-win). Apple will probably not allow it, but they should. My best guess is that the books Kindle users have bought and read monochromatically will look a lot better on the IPad and might spur them on to buy from Apple. We'll see...

 

[avatar1632]

Perhaps so, but not as strange as his idea of what a CEO is. He micromanages everything and won't tolerate anything except "yes men".

On micromanaging: Maybe back in the '80s when his vision for the Mac needed constant tending-to and the future of Apple was anything but certain. Not any more. He's surrounded himself with people that know what needs to be done and when; they make sure it happens, or they explain concisely why it can't happen. Steve does not expect people to be able to pull lightning bolts out of their ass (that's next year's model). You might need to change your name, though; not that big of a deal. ;-)

On "yes men": This has never, not once, been the case. In fact, "yes men" are the type of person most quickly removed from Steve's presence, one way or another. There's plenty of first-hand documentation on the 'net about his intolerance for "yes men" personalities. Read through folklore.org for starters.

What Steve wants most from those around him is the willingness to reach their full potential -- and to keep doing so every single day. There aren't a lot of these sort of people around. It also means that a lot of people end up with bruised egos, and these are the bizarre stories you sometimes hear.

He expects the same of the products that Apple designs and sells. Here, you need to keep in mind that "full potential" has absolutely nothing to do with having every conceivable feature possible. It's generally the opposite, even with non-Apple products.

 

[Journojulz]

Perhaps so, but not as strange as his idea of what a CEO is. He micromanages everything

"Judge not a tree by the bark it wears - but by the fruit it bears" MLK

imac
ibook
ipod
iphone

Sound like his strategy is making better products.
Fair play to him.

 

[macUser2007]

"Judge not a tree by the bark it wears - but by the fruit it bears" MLK

imac
ibook
ipod
iphone

Sound like his strategy is making better products.
Fair play to him.

Newton
PowerPC
Apple TV
.....
(the Flash-less) iPad

But he has failed, too.... Perhaps if he had opened up way back when, Apple would have been bigger than MS....

 

[cmaier]

Newton
PowerPC
Apple TV
.....
(the Flash-less) iPad

But he has failed, too.... Perhaps if he had opened up way back when, Apple would have been bigger than MS....

He had nothing to do with newton. They tried "opening up" when he was in exile. You could buy legal mac clones from Power Computing, Umax, etc. Almost bankrupted them.

 

[LagunaSol]

Maybe it is time for Steve to go. He plainly has a tenuous grasp of reality and is not bothered in the slightest by lying whenever it suits him. Just about anyone could have, and probably would have, done a better job of the "industrial design" of the iPad and coming up with the design specifications/objectives.

Wow, this thread has reached a new peak of absurdity.

 

[macUser2007]

... They tried "opening up" when he was in exile. You could buy legal mac clones from Power Computing, Umax, etc. ....

Uhm, way before that.... Or are going to argue, that MS delivered much better value to their shareholders over the long run, because their OS and UI were that much better?

Jobs has a vision, but he also makes mistakes. This Flash thing is just idiotic.

 

[cmaier]

Uhm, way before that.... Or are going to argue, that MS delivered much better value to their shareholders over the long run, because their OS and UI were that much better?

Jobs has a vision, but he also makes mistakes. This Flash thing is just idiotic.

When, specifically, would you have liked Apple to be "more open?"

 

[RBR2]

You don't like the processes he uses, but his job is not to empower his employees or stroke their egos. His job is not to seek input from customers. His job is not to seek contrary input.

His job is to raise the value of the shareholders stock, by converting land, labor, and capital into more profits than the competition. He's been successful in that regard, and that's the only scorecard that matters.

As for your premise, I happen to know that Apple DOES seek input from customers. I've received unsolicited phone calls from Apple on several occasions asking about my needs in a particular vertical market. They may not seek your input, but that's not the same as not seeking anyone's.

You obviously are not a typical customer if Apple have solicited your opinions on vertical market integration. The only response I have ever gotten from Apple was something to the effect of "for God's sake please don't talk about this" when I showed them that Airport had been left wide open. An update ensued shortly thereafter.

Actually, to be more precise, his job is to earn money for the shareholders, the result of which is to either provide funds for development of new products and services, or for dividends all of which, ultimately may have an influence upon share prices...just as news of his major health issues might have affected share prices.

It is not a matter of "stroking egos" of employees. It is however a matter of not running people off who will tell the truth. It is widely accepted that, for all his accomplishments, Steve Jobs is a terrible boss which in turn contributes to his isolation from reality.

 

[RBR2]

Wow, this thread has reached a new peak of absurdity.

Yep, fanboy, you have reached it.

 

[bigchief]

There will be many return their iPads because of the flash thingy. Bad move Steve.

 

[krzyglue]

Flash can die. Getting onto a website only to have the entire thing be taken over by a flash ad and being forced to search for the "X" so you can access content behind it should be enough to make anyone with good sense hate it.

This and other comments that say flash is flawed because most ads are in flash make no sense whatsover...
There are flash ads because people MAKE them...

IF HTML5, silverlight, or (insert something high tech sounding) were to become the standard, people would just move on to coding in that.

Stop and think for a moment: flash dieing =! advertising dieing.

 

[xhambonex]

Its pretty lame to blame adobe. Though its probably the truth, and I'm all for having an HTML5 standard and killing flash, for a device like this I feel like Apple should just deal with it and work with Adobe to make it right. Especially with every other mobile platform getting flash.

IMO this is not the device Steve really envisions. I think this is more of a "me too" device as a placeholder for a future iteration that will change tablet computing. First you must establish tablets in the marketplace, because right now they exist but no one buys them.

 

[diabolic]

There will be many return their iPads because of the flash thingy. Bad move Steve.

I haven't heard about any iPhone/iPod Touch returns for the lack of Flash. I wonder why?

 

[krzyglue]

You may be physically stronger, but he's mentally stronger. You could kick him and knock him in the grave, but do you have the mental strength to tell him what you think? Doubt you ever would, even if you had the chance.

You couldn't tell my potted plants what to think... Doesn't mean you have lower mental capacity than them.

 

[Rocketman]

Its pretty lame to blame adobe. Though its probably the truth, and I'm all for having an HTML5 standard and killing flash, for a device like this I feel like Apple should just deal with it and work with Adobe to make it right. Especially with every other mobile platform getting flash.

IMO this is not the device Steve really envisions. I think this is more of a "me too" device as a placeholder for a future iteration that will change tablet computing. First you must establish tablets in the marketplace, because right now they exist but no one buys them.

Flash will be displaced when there is something to displace it. Not one second sooner. It doesn't matter that I agree it has issues and is a resource hog supreme. It has the MOMENTUM of being widely deployed, in use by advertisers, and having an installer network comparable to Microsoft! Dude, you cannot displace Microsoft! Or Adobe.

Unless you offer a better alternative, and even then the time to uptake is LOOOOONG.

We know for an absolute certainty this is a placeholder device. We know this because it is not even 720p. But aside from video, it does all things for all people and it is sufficient resolution for most websites and remote desktops. Just don't ask for Flash! Or Premiere . . . .

Jerry

 

[ctdonath]

You put a V8 in a BMW and then tell your customers that it doesn't have cupholders

Fine German cars long did not have cupholders. When driving on the Autobahn, one does not have time to fiddle with drinks.

 

[LagunaSol]

It is widely accepted that, for all his accomplishments, Steve Jobs is a terrible boss which in turn contributes to his isolation from reality.

Your theory of Jobs' detachment from reality does not jibe with the performance of Apple as a company over the past 10 years. If this is insanity, I say keep it crazy, Steve! (And my AAPL holdings agree with me.)

Yep, fanboy, you have reached it.

"Fanboy" - the word one uses when one has nothing intelligent left to say.

There's nothing "fanboyish" in recognizing that the unhinged commenters here screaming for Jobs' head on a platter are the ones truly detached from reality.

 

[iMaggot]

Lol too funny.

 

[krzyglue]

lol

excuse me as I go off to watch some hulu with flash

Well to be fair, he's trying to browse the web. Can't do that on a typewriter.

My suggestion: he should just use wget to grab the HTML files and view them in textedit. No glitz, just the content.

 

[sohelpme]

This is short-sighted. If you wait until you have incentive to change, you'll already be behind the curve. "Skate to where the puck is going to be, not where it is [now]," as Gretsky says. (emphasis mine)

How many months/years will it take to convert your sites from Flash to something else with equivalent functionality? I'd guess at least a year to do it right, given they're e-commerce things. It may be in your interest to start sooner rather than later. The longer you wait, the more it'll cost, too.

Are your sites even doing anything with Flash that can't be done just as well with non-proprietary stuff? Is the Flash just eye candy? Not trying to be combative here. Just asking reasonable questions.

That's just it. Right now, having a Flash-only web site is to consciously ignore MILLIONS of iPhone and iPod Touch owners. And to keep maintaining it as being Flash only into the future is just leaving money on the table for other sites willing to change with the times.

Unless somebody is willing to put their foot down and say, no more of this crap, Flash will continue to be used just because 'well, thats how its been done in the past, lets just keep using it'.

If Apple threw in a first-class Flash client on the iPad and iPhone, MattBaker and all the other Flash developers would have ZERO impetus to change to something else, even if it worked better, because, well, then everybody has Flash available, and since we have lots of crappy web browsers [looking at you IE], we might as well just only keep using Flash because that gets the widest audience for the least effort. Apple's mobile devices not having Flash means they have to finally make a real decision, keep doing things the old way and ignore millions of possible customers, or change with the times and at least create a web site for iPhone/iPod Touch/iPad users [and maybe even then serve it to all those Android users and FireFox users and well, pretty much everybody except IE users].