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Steve Jobs at Apple Town Hall Meeting, Google, Adobe, Next iPhone, 2010 Macs and More

jaykk said:
Thats so true about eye-candy. I tried windows 7 RC on fusion, and just turned of all the eye-candy to see if I can get a better performance. What did I get - a just plain old windows 2000 style menu system and tool bars and what not.

I didn't know where to start. No useful programs right out of the box anyways. With a mac, you get iLife programs to start with right away. (and full unix to play with, webserver etc if you are a developer) For windows, I have to download Firefox, Picasa, tomcat etc to have a real useful machine. Since then I never booted up windows 7. Its a lipstick on a old pig. So right out of the box, Mac gives a better experience than windows ever will.

iPad with iWork, oWorks (Omni) (and later iLife) will have a much better user experience than any of the other tablets out there.
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iWork on the iPad requires patience and during the keynote with Phil Schiller it seemed almost unbearable to work with other then quick last minute adjustments. If the computing market tells us anything about its user-base we learn that people want faster processing and faster input and recognition. I expect that initially people will live through the slow input and modification of iWork for iPad, however over time they will just not bother using it at all, it will be trivial at best. Just take a look at the 3G versus 3GS debate on speed issues. Though I have hope for Multi-Touch input, at present it has a lag time that I am not accustomed to, even on my iPhone/iPod Touch.
 
Most of this arguing is rather pointless. What we all suspect is going to become a reality anyway: the iPad is the next major leap in computing. It's going to be huge. Apple will dictate the direction of this segment of the industry.

It's already causing a frenzy. There will, of course, be other alternatives out there, but as they do with Macs, OS X, iPods, iPhones, etc., Apple will set the bar in this new area as well.
 
sethypoo said:
Um, here's a few things Android does better than the iPhone:

1) Multitasking
2) System-wide voice search
3) A decent Gmail app with "actual" push Gmail
4) More phones on more networks = more choice for consumers
5) User swappable batteries
6) Like it or not, a more open app ecosystem. We have Google Voice, do you? ;)
7) Adobe and Google have gone on record saying Flash is coming to the Android platform. Sure, HTML5 might be better, but in the meantime I'll be more than happy to watch Hulu on my Droid while you run one app at a time on your iPhone.

Granted, Apple could add several of these to the next version of the iPhone, and I hope they do, because it's unfortunate such a great device is limited in so many ways. And until Hulu and YouTube make a complete move to HTML5, Flash is the way to go.
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Let me reply to your list of demands.
1. Multitasking- iPhone has multitasking on its native apps, and thats about all I need to use multitasking for. With the speed of the 3GS and the faster speed of the iPad, it is unnecessary to demand multitasking on 3rd party apps, when it's just as quick to go back and forth between them. Anyways, I have a good feeling that multitasking is coming on OS 4.0.
2. Systemwide voice search- How often do you use that? It takes longer to activate voice search, say what you want, and wait for recognition, than it does to type something quickly in iPhone's spotlight.
3. Gmail Push- I use Gmail through my mail app on my iPhone, my messages have push notification, and I've had no problems.
4. Various phones on various networks- Apple doesn't need a variety of phones, when the iPhone takes care of basically every need a person has. While other phone companies build specific phones for specific needs, the iPhone can fill all of those requests. When it comes to various networks, it's good Apple has stuck with GSM over CDMA. GSM is more stable and can handle more data/phone usage than CDMA. I do wish, though, that the iPhone is unlocked for all GSM networks. TMobile is much better than AT&T where I live.
5. Swappable batteries- Swappable batteries ensure shorter battery life in a system, as well as have shorter lives span than non-removable batteries.
6. Hard to say that there isn't an open ecosystem with 140,000 apps, but I can't blame Apple for shooting down Google Voice. Just think, if Apple had a similar program, would Google allow it on the Droid? Verizon wouldn't let them.
7. This is the same argument I heard when Apple made the original iMac, without a floppy drive. "I know it's outdated technology, but it's almost impossible to go without it." A couple years later, no one used floppies. Apple is just placing the final nail in Flash's bloated, buggy, slow, 90's appropriate coffin.

But I do hope you enjoy your Droid, I'll enjoy my 140,000 apps for just about everything I need to support my business, and Apple will enjoy the customer satisfaction award for smartphones again, as well as it's huge marketshare.
 
The big news out of the event is Apple making their own mobile chips. It's surprising that isn't being more widely discussed because the implications could be huge.
 
jaykk said:
The problem with Microsoft is that, they don't get basic stuff right. They have so many features, but the core system is still an issue. Mac gives a much better experience installing software ( drag to app folder) etc and had Documents, Pictures etc on a well organized manner. How long did they take it to move away from "My documents and settings" and have clumsy user document management.

I agree, apple doesn't offer too many features( or it takes away , restrict etc), but the feature they ship do work.

And apple will never ship Windows 7 style products, its just windows underneath it ( DEC VMS core that is)
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Nah, nah, nah! That post wasn't about Microsoft or your love/dislike for them. It was about the reversal theory taking affect on stans.
 
!¡ V ¡! said:
iWork on the iPad requires patience and during the keynote with Steve Schiller it seemed almost unbearable to work with other then quick last minute adjustments. If the computing market tells us anything about its user-base we learn that people want faster processing and faster input and recognition. I expect that initially people will live through the slow input and modification of iWork for iPad, however over time they will just not bother using it at all, it will be trivial at best. Just take a look at the 3G versus 3GS debate on speed issues. Though I have hope for Multi-Touch input, at present it has a lag time that I am not accustomed to, even on my iPhone/iPod Touch.
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First, it's Phil Schiller.

Second, the iPad is FAST. No lag. That's been one of the major points of all the positive reviews.
 
!¡ V ¡! said:
iWork on the iPad requires patience and during the keynote with Steve Schiller it seemed almost unbearable to work with other then quick last minute adjustments.
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I'm gonna say no one here can really make that call without using one..and see how its not out yet...
 
-=XX=-Nephilim said:
Hehe :)

Frankly, I would be using Linux since long time ago if I can run all the apps that I need for my work...

Unfortunately my only choices are - Mac or PC

I am still more than happy with MBP - its great! - but will need to replace it at some point... Hopefully with a new MBP but I honestly think that Apple is loosing touch with the reality so we will see what happens...

I mean I am not going to be paying way more for way less while at the same time listening to some old man (that is Steve!) shouting at me and telling me what to use and what not...

Guy is a nutter :D

In fact, I still believe that this article is fake since how on earth can he say such a stupid things in public! Disaster...
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You think that article would have lasted 10 mins if it was libellous?

P.S You downloaded that Apple SDK yet?
 
!¡ V ¡! said:
I am almost tempted to jailbreak my iPhone/iPod Touch to be honest.
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Wow, that sounds very adventurous! My grandmother just followed some websites and did hers.

I did mine. I bet that half of Apple employees have a secret jailbroken iPhone lying somewhere in their condos.
 
fleggy said:
For me, Blu-ray is not just about playback of Movie studio titles (on an Apple computer).

Since ALL of the consumer camcorder manufacturers (Canon, Panasonic, Sony, Samsung etc) are selling AVCHD format models, I want the ability to take the SD Card, insert into a computer and do simple edits (also adding titles etc). I then want to burn a disc and playback on my HDTV via a Blu-ray player (I have a PS3).

Sure - I could convert it (downgrade in quality), but if I am to do that, why sell me a camera with capabilities I will NEVER see!

Someone better tell those big companies to stop making them...or tell Apple that iMovie and FCE/P's days are numbered. The only viable option will be to go Windows.

I don't want to buy a windows machine JUST to edit and burn video!

If someone has another solution to my problem...I'm all ears! I may be the minority, but I don't think I am...look at the size of the (now AVCHD) camcorder market!
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Shedworx Voltaic lets you do editing at the GOP (group of pictures) which is 15 frames, at least that is my understanding. You won't be able to do transitions. It's inexpensive at about $40.

I don't think Apple sees anything wrong with BD and AVCHD per se, but authoring is a huge issue:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BD-J

and the license for Authoring is steep.

I gave my parents a Panasonic DMP-BD55K last year, and I bought myself the DMP-BD80K specifically as it had an SD slot for the AVCHD playback, and I know that this works for PS3 as well. I also have a couple of Panasonic consumer HD cameras, an HDC-SD5 and an HDC-SD100 (which has and EVF and microphone inputs).

I'm thinking that this will all be sorted out on the AVCHD side with Snow Leopard versions of FCS and FCE, hopefully by late this spring. As for BD, Apple will need to update DVDstudio and that will be non trivial based on my original investigations of the BD Authoring process.

I would have to agree with SJ on the licensing and DRM issues, but I'm not sure that I agree with him on keeping BD drives out of Macs, whatever their poor usability chracteristics (and they are slow to boot in my experience).
 
kernkraft said:
With overheating computers, with white plastic, hygienic aluminium and previously used stainless steel; they are halfway there.

So expect more of the white plastic and aluminium. Meanwhile, other computer manufacturers will have colourful products.
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My fiancee' bought her machine only because it was pink. Outside of that it was a piece of garbage.

Not saying that PCs specifically are garbage at all.. just commenting on the color portion of the post. :D
 
!¡ V ¡! said:
iWork on the iPad requires patience and during the keynote with Steve Schiller it seemed almost unbearable to work with other then quick last minute adjustments. If the computing market tells us anything about its user-base we learn that people want faster processing and faster input and recognition. I expect that initially people will live through the slow input and modification of iWork for iPad, however over time they will just not bother using it at all, it will be trivial at best. Just take a look at the 3G versus 3GS debate on speed issues. Though I have hope for Multi-Touch input, at present it has a lag time that I am not accustomed to, even on my iPhone/iPod Touch.
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I agree with you. We may need external keyboard and a mouse when we are at our desk, but when we are away like in coffee shops or a client site, a properly designed touch-based UI will get the things done.

Edit: just to clarify, typing on a real keyboard is much faster..but for certain things, touchbased UI is the preferred choice. The processor speed itself is impressive on iPad.
 
puffnstuff said:
Honestly I don't know why people want blu-ray in their notebooks so badly

With video streaming and downloading what is the point?

I rather they just remove the optical and use the space for something else
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Please just remember that there are billions of us worldwide, who have no access to high speed internet connections. At best, my UK rural "broadband" is 1.7 mbps - nothing like fast enough to stream even 640 x 480, let alone HD video. There is no prospect of a serious upgrade until 2017.

Wilson
 
pretty cool chart

Next gen computer chart

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tatonka said:
What a bunch of marketing gibberish!

Even if BlueRay is a mess .. get it done. You have more then enough cash in the bank to hire or buy a team of experts to do it right.

Flash being buggy on the Mac .. again. Get it right then! The web uses flash and likes flash. Flash runs like crap on Mac because neither side can get their heads straight, sit down for a month and make it work .. it does work great on Windows.

He has a point about the Google entering the phone/netbook market and I am sure they want and will take away from the iPhone OS universe. But you know what Steve .. it is because you are not listening enought to what we as in customers want. I'll stick around the iPhone as long as it is the best choice out .. would I need to upgrade now I would probably buy a Nexus. Well I have another year before the contract is up .. so I will have a closer look then.

See see .. aggressively push iPhone OS ? .. really like aggressively as in no update in month? or as in a new version every year? Because in that case we sure have differing opionions on aggressive.
I would like to see major changes going on in iPhone OS .. that is why I was so excited about the iPad press conference .. well turns out that again was not very aggressive.

And to that it is Microsoft all over again, we trusted Google ********. Yeah right. Apple introduced the multitouch phone or made it a mass product .. it has been out there for years, so Apple didn't come up with the idea they just made a great product .. so why shouldn't Google do the same. Same for the iPad .. these type of devices existed for years in the windows world .. Apple put their spin on it and it turned out crap but anyways .. they didn't invent it and if anything Google had both Android computer and ChromiumOS out there before Apple came along.

Man I really like some Apple products but that prima donna with his massive ego is so annoying and makes me hate the company.

T.

PS: The Google do no evil Mantra is as ******** and annoying as the fanboy preception that Apple can do no wrong and especially Steve is always right.
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Damn dude with all due respect ****.
 
Macsterguy said:
Bill and Melinda Gates on Friday made the largest donation ever to a single cause: $10 billion to develop vaccines for the world's poorest nations. They are going to save millions of lives with simple vaccinations...
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Ah yes, Bill Gates... following in the footsteps of history's other humanitarian billionaires: Carnegie, Rockefeller, Vanderbilt, Morgan, and all those other nineteenth century robber barons. Smoothly transitioning from the image of a cut-throat, greedy, unscrupulous monopolist to that of a noble philanthropist by spending his billions to secure his legacy.


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Hankus said:
Out of curiosity, is your Mac an unstable device? I find it really weird that people, assuming they're also Mac fans, are using that argument to defend the iPhone OS on iPad.
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Why such animosity toward iPhone OS? It works for me as an end user. I bet most "end users" don't care which OS our device runs on as long as it's stable and allow it to function as intended.

I love my MacBook pro and iPhone. They serve different purpose and Apple make sure the applications in the App store doesn't crash my iphone. What's wrong with that? Average person is grateful that Apple make standards for software and hardware.
 
ungraphic said:
I dont remember the last time my computer crashed, froze or firefox crashed due to flash. I have a mac pro. Is it only me that thinks this whole flash debacle is greatly exaggerated?
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Couldn't agree more. I think it is greatly exaggerated. I've never had my browser crash due to Flash that I can recall.

"No one will be using Flash, Jobs says. The world is moving to HTML5."
Problem is there are a lot of sites that are using Flash. A lot of designers who use Macs use Flash to design for the web. I'd wager that a majority of us prefer HTML since Flash's interface has grown ever more counter-intuitive but when exactly is this date that Flash dies on the Web? I usually concur with Steve Jobs vision but I'm just not drinking the Kool-Aid on this one.
 
jetaero@bellsou said:
Ah yes, Bill Gates... following in the footsteps of history's other humanitarian billionaires: Carnegie, Rockefeller, Vanderbilt, Morgan, and all those other nineteenth century robber barons. Smoothly transitioning from the image of a cut-throat, greedy, unscrupulous monopolist to that of a noble philanthropist by spending his billions to secure his legacy.
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Gates deserves some credit. That money will go a long way to helping a lot of people.
 
btcutter said:
Why such animosity toward iPhone OS? It works for me as an end user. I bet most "end users" don't care which OS our device runs on as long as it's stable and allow it to function as intended.

I love my MacBook pro and iPhone. They serve different purpose and Apple make sure the applications in the App store doesn't crash my iphone. What's wrong with that? Average person is grateful that Apple make standards for software and hardware.
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Two things:

1) My question remains: do you believe OS X is unstable and not to be trusted on a mobile device

2) Don't kid yourself. It's not about standards, it's about getting a cut of every app sold for the device, which is NOT in the interests of consumers.
 
ungraphic said:
I dont remember the last time my computer crashed, froze or firefox crashed due to flash. I have a mac pro. Is it only me that thinks this whole flash debacle is greatly exaggerated?
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Yes. It's not about stability, it's about control, and getting a cut of every app sold for the device. Flash is an application development platform, therefore it threatens Apple's profit model. If Flash were such a a stability threat it would be disabled on OS X as well.
 
can't wait for new MBP, I really want a new one.

iPad=no flash=not for me (html5? pfft maybe in a couple of years when it can at leats do 1/2 the things flash can do now)

that said I think teh iPad is pretty cool and I still think it will be a huge success and it will sell out.
 
jetaero@bellsou said:
Ah yes, Bill Gates... following in the footsteps of history's other humanitarian billionaires: Carnegie, Rockefeller, Vanderbilt, Morgan, and all those other nineteenth century robber barons. Smoothly transitioning from the image of a cut-throat, greedy, unscrupulous monopolist to that of a noble philanthropist by spending his billions to secure his legacy.


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....I don't see why we need to negate what he's doing now. Are you suggesting he keeps his 10 billion dollars and we forget about the less fortunate?
 
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