Not sure if it's already mentioned here but I was just reading this about Flash and thought it was worth sharing...
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Interesting. I wonder what he finds thats such a "mess" about Blu-ray. I mean Apple was one of the main backers behind Blu-ray, right? I wonder if he simply means sales regarding BD players/discs are too high/not in high enough demand yet.
Can't wait for the next iPhone update. When is that rumored to be taking place again? June?
I hate this argument. Streaming? Really? Between lousy internet speeds, DRM, and lack of available content (especially in the non-US regions) streaming still has a long way to go before becoming popular. And optical discs are still the mainstream way of distributing content. People want a physical copy of a movie rather than just some video file. Not to mention, HD is popular nowadays and stream true HD is very bandwidth heavy for both the user and the server. I mean one day, sure, but that day is a long ways off.
Just because it's not something YOU care about or that YOU personally use does NOT mean it's not something that Android does better. It is. You may not care about it, but it's an Android advantage.
How about in navigation mode (oh wait, iPhone doesn't have that yet) while driving. Actually, I should just copy and paste... Just because it's not something YOU care about or that YOU personally use does NOT mean it's not something that Android does better. It is. You may not care about it, but it's an Android advantage.
I agree with you on this one. To some degree. It seems obvious to me that an Android phone will work better with Google services than an iPhone. That's not really an advantage though - iPhone works better with Apple services than Android (iTunes, mobile-me, etc). The bottom line is it depends on what you use.
CDMA is dominant in America, and in most parts of the country, offers superior service. iPhone is one size fits all - both in terms of phones and carriers - whereas Android offers a variety of devices on different networks. The iPhone is for you, or it's not. If it is, the lack of multiple devices isn't a problem. If it's not - you have to go somewhere else.
Ultimately, as long as the battery lasts all day in most cases, who cares? Plus, from friends with iPhones, I'm not convinced the iPhone battery lasts much longer. All that said, I'll say this isn't an advantage either way. I'll trade a bit less battery life for a replaceable battery - other people may think differently - no problem.
If Apple had such a program, Verizon would have NO ABILITY to stop me from installing it on my Droid. Even if Google didn't allow it into the Marketplace (which would surprise me), I could download and install it on my own. That's what open ecosystem means. Just like with a computer *I* can download and install whatever I want. Personally I think this is a HUGE advantage to Android. I can't fathom why people would want a corporation deciding what they can and can't install but I guess some do.
Regardless, this is a red herring. Android has no flash either. Yes, it is supposedly coming, but until it's here, I take that with a grain of salt. Currently, neither platform supports Flash.
Absolutely. There is no one perfect device for everyone. Personally I can't stand the iPhone. It is a "scripted experience, controlled by Apple." The Droid, in comparison, is more like a mini-computer that you control. That said, some people will prefer the iPhone - the "locked down" platform has the advantage of more quality control, etc. I don't think either platform will go anywhere anytime soon. I hope both platforms continue to push each other, so users of both get better and better features as time goes on!
And, certainly, I will admit iPhone is currently the more "mature" platform with more apps, etc, primarily because it's been out much longer and was the first real consumer oriented smartphone. I think in terms of maturity and apps though, Android will catch up in time.
This was the first thing I noticed as well, Steve was looking good!
Now to see what Apple has in store for the rest of the year. It sounds exciting.
There won't be a demand. They're dead in the water. Apple knows this, and the MacBook Air proves they know it. Consumers aren't quite sold yet. They need more time to get used to downloading all their movies, music etc (through Apple online stores) then the MacBook Air model will become the dominant one.
No, an open standard is not tied down by patents like H.264 is. Anyone who decodes H.264 (Safari, Adobe) has to pay that fee to the MPEG LA group. Just because end-users don't have to doesn't negate this fact. Also, Flash can and does use H.264 video. Adobe has paid this fee.
The HTML standards body did not leave its Video tag up to the discretion of browsers as a benefit. Talk to anyone heavily involved in this process and they'll tell you that the HTML5 process was a mess. No one could decide on a video format, and so they threw up their hands in order to move forward. Thus, HTML5's Video support across various browsers is really messy right now. Many people keep bringing up WebGL; WebGL is in it's infancy. It won't be challenging anything for quite a while. Look at Javascript. It and Actionscript are based on ECMAScript, and Flash long ago moved to ECMAScript 3. JS was supposed to, but the browsers still haven't made the move. Developing in JS is a mess, and adding all these new technologies to the mix is just making it worse. They need to get their act together, step back and really think how all these technologies are going to mesh in a development environment that supports that integration.
It's funny how angry the "open standards" community has become. Like a bunch of sharks smelling blood in the water. Flash has been on the web about as long as the web has been around. It's always provided useful things, and it still does things that open standards techs just can't do. Sure, people misuse Flash, but that doesn't mean it's a pariah that should be burned from the digital landscape. If it's HTML/JS's destiny to usurp Flash, then it will be, but not because a bunch of somewhat ignorant fanboys run around messageboards with pitchforks.
Let's get one thing straight though: if Jobs thought he could force a proprietary tech onto the web, he would. Don't make him out to be a champion of good. The iPad's shackles should be enough to prove that. He is doing everything he can to create FUD around Flash because it's not a tech he can control. Crashes more than anything on Macs? I'd like to see that data. Sounds like complete BS to me. I've had Flash crash a couple times, but more often than not it is Firefox's memory leaks or heavy JS-AJAX sites that bring it down.
My fiancee' bought her machine only because it was pink. Outside of that it was a piece of garbage.
Not saying that PCs specifically are garbage at all.. just commenting on the color portion of the post.
I completely accept your point. I saw a pink Sony Vaio and it looked tatty.
But don't let your girlfriend choose your car!
I only had one car with girlish colour and I bought it DESPITE my girlfriend's advice.
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Just because you are not experiencing crashes with Flash does not mean that others are not. I experienced plenty of crashes until I installed clicktoflash. Some web sites are definitely more problematic than others.
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I am in doubt, SJ will be around long enough to see this happened. Besides, we should see a tsunami of anti-Apple ads from anti-consumer/competitive angle once this device is released "as is". Competition will chew his A$$ off for this. SJ will bend over this time or he will be out.
I am in doubt, SJ will be around long enough to see this happened. Besides, we should see a tsunami of anti-Apple ads from anti-consumer/competitive angle once this device is released "as is". Competition will chew his A$$ off for this. SJ will bend over this time or he will be out.
The iPad will likely be a huge success. I think people are comparing it way too much to an actual computer.
What Jobs said in his keynote is that "some companies think the middle category between a laptop and a smartphone is a netbook, the problem is, netbooks arent' GOOD at anything" I have to agree with that. He goes on to say.."all they are is cheap, weak laptops"
The reason most people get a NETbook is really for basic tasks like browsing the web, checking email, which I believe the iPad does A LOT better.
In regards to no Flash. I do understand Jobs issues with it.
I really do believe that the iPhone this year is going to see a good leap. Other cell phones are starting to close the gap when it comes to hardware, however Apple still is the winner due to software and that's really what they see themselves as (a software company)
I'm glad we didnt see any glimpses of iPhone 4.0 which makes me believe they are working hard on some really good stuff for it. I think we'll see some design changes and some nice OS upgrades as well as a nice hardware bump.
I'm def excited
What Jobs said in his keynote is that "some companies think the middle category between a laptop and a smartphone is a netbook, the problem is, netbooks arent' GOOD at anything" I have to agree with that. He goes on to say.."all they are is cheap, weak laptops"
The reason most people get a NETbook is really for basic tasks like browsing the web, checking email, which I believe the iPad does A LOT better.
In regards to no Flash. I do understand Jobs issues with it.
I really do believe that the iPhone this year is going to see a good leap. Other cell phones are starting to close the gap when it comes to hardware, however Apple still is the winner due to software and that's really what they see themselves as (a software company)
I'm glad we didnt see any glimpses of iPhone 4.0 which makes me believe they are working hard on some really good stuff for it. I think we'll see some design changes and some nice OS upgrades as well as a nice hardware bump.
I'm def excited
I am tired of this flash issue being raised here. Things have changed since 2001 on mac universe.
There was a time when browsing itself on a mac was like a second-class citizen, let alone flash. Microsoft wanted to kill netscape and made a deal with apple in 97 to have IE as the preferred browser in return for 5 year commitment of Office, IE on mac platform. What did they do, they killed IE as soon as the 5 year was up. We have to rely on a browser like Chimera to have a decent browser with Mac UI ( this is before Firefox's ascent).
Microsoft also killed Windows Media Player on a mac. Thank god for iPod/iTunes and Safari, otherwise we will be using Windows to play any media or browse the web alone flash contents.
Fast forward to 2010, we have a standard based browser and a media softwares, and people are complaining about Flash ? We need HTML5 standard.
There was a time when browsing itself on a mac was like a second-class citizen, let alone flash. Microsoft wanted to kill netscape and made a deal with apple in 97 to have IE as the preferred browser in return for 5 year commitment of Office, IE on mac platform. What did they do, they killed IE as soon as the 5 year was up. We have to rely on a browser like Chimera to have a decent browser with Mac UI ( this is before Firefox's ascent).
Microsoft also killed Windows Media Player on a mac. Thank god for iPod/iTunes and Safari, otherwise we will be using Windows to play any media or browse the web alone flash contents.
Fast forward to 2010, we have a standard based browser and a media softwares, and people are complaining about Flash ? We need HTML5 standard.
Keypoint of a successful company? Make the "average" user, become the "advanced" user without rush.
What I mean... a average user, doesn't give a flying squirrel about HTML 5, and I won't be surprised if they don't know what HMTL 5, or Flash is for that matter. Everyone on this forum... not a average user... well not all... I say 99%... because there are that 1% that be like "oh, let me google this product, and they stumbled here, registered just to say "ohhh thats cool"" lol...
My point is... the iPhone made the average user, feel advanced, without forcing it... it was something "new", "sleek", "easy to use", and "cool", despite its crappy carrier.
The iPad... the average user won't give a flying squirrel about neither. The average user will ask "why will I need this?"... leaving the door, the door that the average user won't even see... closed...
Say a average user does get an iPad via gift, or spontaneous shopping (you know, when you get that great check/pocket and you feel like you running from TMZ, superstar status), they open it up, go online... and low and behold... something ain't right here... there is a blue little lego on their favorite site. Thats a major problem. Keep in mind this is the average user.
Steve, should of... instead of trying to force technology down peoples throats... when with the flow of tech (FLASH), and saying "hey average user... you liking this Flash?... well good, but you heard about HTML5? well its going to be better for you in the future, heres why, and we are fully supporting it first"...
Thats how you do it...
What I mean... a average user, doesn't give a flying squirrel about HTML 5, and I won't be surprised if they don't know what HMTL 5, or Flash is for that matter. Everyone on this forum... not a average user... well not all... I say 99%... because there are that 1% that be like "oh, let me google this product, and they stumbled here, registered just to say "ohhh thats cool"" lol...
My point is... the iPhone made the average user, feel advanced, without forcing it... it was something "new", "sleek", "easy to use", and "cool", despite its crappy carrier.
The iPad... the average user won't give a flying squirrel about neither. The average user will ask "why will I need this?"... leaving the door, the door that the average user won't even see... closed...
Say a average user does get an iPad via gift, or spontaneous shopping (you know, when you get that great check/pocket and you feel like you running from TMZ, superstar status), they open it up, go online... and low and behold... something ain't right here... there is a blue little lego on their favorite site. Thats a major problem. Keep in mind this is the average user.
Steve, should of... instead of trying to force technology down peoples throats... when with the flow of tech (FLASH), and saying "hey average user... you liking this Flash?... well good, but you heard about HTML5? well its going to be better for you in the future, heres why, and we are fully supporting it first"...
Thats how you do it...
Looks like he is open to blu-ray in a future hardware refresh. If the internet infrastructure of the US stays the way it is, we might be seeing blu-ray implimentation in a few years, and I'll definitely pick up a macbook with one. Blu-ray is picking up!
Why? I'd like the best HD viewing, and hopefully he adds a way to export the high def sound to a receiver. Doesn't hurt that if there is a digital copy, its one less disc for movies to carry and also lowers the price! Come on Steve, negotiate to have all digital copies in blu-ray downloaded through iTunes.
Macbooks with i5! Hopefully the iPhone SDK can still be used on core 2 duos, as I can't afford to upgrade a laptop, desktop and iPhone.
Update the hell out the iPhone Steve, I'm looking to finally get a new one (I love my 3G, but wasn't interested enough to get the 3GS, so I'm waiting for those killer features).
Why? I'd like the best HD viewing, and hopefully he adds a way to export the high def sound to a receiver. Doesn't hurt that if there is a digital copy, its one less disc for movies to carry and also lowers the price! Come on Steve, negotiate to have all digital copies in blu-ray downloaded through iTunes.
Macbooks with i5! Hopefully the iPhone SDK can still be used on core 2 duos, as I can't afford to upgrade a laptop, desktop and iPhone.
Update the hell out the iPhone Steve, I'm looking to finally get a new one (I love my 3G, but wasn't interested enough to get the 3GS, so I'm waiting for those killer features).
You might be interested in this article. It seems to be pretty much saying that H.264 is a stop-gap to get the ball rolling while Google uses its new acquisition, On2 (well-established video codec makers) to provide a genuinely free codec, both to consumers and software makers, for use in the HTML5 standard.
Very good article, very compelling argument in my view.
On my other hobby horse, Blu Ray in Macs, I'm relieved to hear that Apple are at least thinking about how to address its inclusion in Mac OS. From my perspective as a video-maker, I haven't needed to author to Blu Ray, but the time will come, for me and for other video makers, when a large number of us will need to. Apple really need to have the goods by then or face losing market share in this sector.
Beyond that, I do think there's a more immediate need for Blu Ray in Macs. It's true for both Mac and PC that they're well set up to replace the PVR, set top box and DVD player in the front room, but people are not going to invest in bringing the technologies together using an Apple machine in their living room while the next-generation of optical media is absent. By comparison, the PC is already in a position to do that.
I think you're wrong on this point. In order to download films of Blu Ray quality, the infrastructure of the net needs some serious building up. I just don't believe that the internet is going to be in a position to have a hope of supporting the demand anywhere in the near future. In the UK, ISPs have 'fair usage policies' where people are charged over a certain threshold. 10GB per month is a common one: less than half the capacity of a blu ray disc.
Not that this issue has any relevance on this discussion, but for the record;
I don't like Bill Gates, it was actually his wife that got him to support start the Gates Foundation. Regardless, he is giving money to good causes. What is Steve Jobs doing for anyone? Is he giving back to the community? To any charity? Anything? If so, I am not aware of it.
It's the
iLego
(only available in blue)
Haha!
Hopefully Lego doesn't dispute that name!
"Next iPhone will be A+ upgrade"
Well, no crap What's he going to say, the next iPhone upgrade will be a C upgrade??
Jobs really knows how to create interest for the smallest of things. Either that or we're all just a bunch of sheep.
Looking forward to the 2010 Macs. Would really love to see Apple get back on track with their computers.
Well, no crap
What's he going to say, the next iPhone upgrade will be a C upgrade??Jobs really knows how to create interest for the smallest of things. Either that or we're all just a bunch of sheep.
Looking forward to the 2010 Macs. Would really love to see Apple get back on track with their computers.
This was true, sorta kinda not really around '98, after Jobs returned.
MS acquired $150M of non-voting shares of Apple stock, which they sold off within a couple of years at a profit.
Your friends are banking on old urban legends.
I think this would be a good approach. People won't know unless you tell them. In the interim, I think on a device like the iPad, perhaps giving users the choice to enable/disable Flash would be a good idea instead of just removing it without explanation.
What do you think?
You don't like a man you probably never met? What did he do personally to you, or whatever for you not to like him? I mean, thats pretty personal.
I agree with you. A option would be definitely better. And in the option settings of the Flash enabler, the disable option would have a "HTML5, learn more" option to educate the user.
If it were my business, I wouldn't of been so disrespectful to Adobe though, you know? I would of stated that either we won't be taking that path, and thats it, or say "We are willing to cooperate with Adobe on making Flash less of a hassle for our users who love Apple products, and love Flash enabled sites, games, etc... but we are also going to be focusing on the new.... HTML5 to see what it can bring to the table".
So, you like everyone? There is non one in the public domain you dislike for whatever reason?
I don't like him for what he stands for. I didn't say I hate him. As I noted, I respect what he is doing with his foundation, though it was his wife that pushed him.
Cheers