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60-90 days until shipping and the thing is already dated and intentionally limited? God, you really need to get out more and see what's out of Cupertino.

What do you suggest as a comparably-specced alternative?

Yes, and Apple should remember what sort of consumers made it to what it is today.

You mean the millions who bought iMacs and iPods? Those were the products with which Apple reinvented themselves; "creative" pros have been a declining minority for a long time.

Don't know about you, but I spend a fair bit of time travelling for work, and it's nice to be able to play movies on my laptop rather than watching whatever ****** movie is on TV in the wrong language.

I do too. Must say, I've never yet had access to a TV that didn't also have a DVD player, or some type of input possibilities. Heck, you could get 720p into any such TV...if you had a Zune! ;-)

You're talking like a consumer. Come back when you have a business that relies on keeping up with the rest of the 21st century.

If the issue is between consumers and pros, then a consumer has as much right to an opinion as a pro. Given that Apple's decision to effectively rebrand as a consumer electronics company, in fact, I would say their view is *more* important.
 
LOL :D

Party has started way too early!

Here comes 1st court case!

Quote:

APPLE’S MOST hyped device iPad is facing flak from users across the world on its inability to support flash. Which means whenever you click a video or image on iPad needing flash support, you are most likely to get a blue box instead?

The issue has escalated to the level of reaching the federal court.

Paul Threatt, a US based graphic designer has decided to sue the firm for misleading the customers. "It definitely struck me as misleading. I just wish they would depict the capabilities of the product accurately when they're promoting it," Threatt told the news agencies.


http://www.merinews.com/article/apple-ipad-has-no-flash-cant-support-videos-images/15796260.shtml


Well done Steve!

We all expect plenty of these to come in near future for your GENIUS statement of "best browsing platform ever"...

What a clown!!
 
Not that this issue has any relevance on this discussion, but for the record;

I don't like Bill Gates, it was actually his wife that got him to support start the Gates Foundation. Regardless, he is giving money to good causes. What is Steve Jobs doing for anyone? Is he giving back to the community? To any charity? Anything? If so, I am not aware of it.

I read about Gates only yesterday, about paying for 8 million children's vaccination. In the same time, the press was full of iPad and its limitations.

What the Gates did with their personal fortune is incredible and it should be an example. Sadly, some people are completely blinded and cannot overcome this Mac-PC marketing crap. I remember an earlier discussion a few month ago, when somebody claimed that it was Jobs, who by 'creating' iPods, really moved humankind forward, unlike Gates, who simply gave some money. Please, somebody, find that post, it was shocking, but hilarious!
 
So, you like everyone? There is non one in the public domain you dislike for whatever reason?

I don't like him for what he stands for. I didn't say I hate him. As I noted, I respect what he is doing with his foundation, though it was his wife that pushed him.

Cheers

Nah bro, I don't like certain people who have done awful, or wrong things. But... to say you don't like what he stands for... what does he stand for? Communism? Death of babies? Earthquakes? Or computers?
 
If it were my business, I wouldn't of been so disrespectful to Adobe though, you know?
LOL :D
APPLE’S MOST hyped device iPad is facing flak from users across the world on its inability to support flash. Which means whenever you click a video or image on iPad needing flash support, you are most likely to get a blue box instead?

The issue has escalated to the level of reaching the federal court.

Paul Threatt, a US based graphic designer has decided to sue the firm for misleading the customers. "It definitely struck me as misleading. I just wish they would depict the capabilities of the product accurately when they're promoting it," Threatt told the news agencies.
Lets hope the US courts have more sense than the UK ones. Apple can easily close the door to future suits like this by simply adding a caveat to their advertising: may not support some non-standard third-party web technologies.

Personally, I don't like Flash. I don't like the fact that the UK courts effectively ruled that it's a web standard in connection with iPhone advertising when it's not included in W3C standards and despite the fact that it's a propietary technology and I don't like the fact that it turns my MBP into a radiator when I'm watching anything in Flash.

HTML5 video standard? Looking forward to it almost as much as commercial nuclear fusion.
 
It's all very well knocking Flash as clunky etc....maybe Apple should put some that cash mountain into producing something that does the job better.
Yeah like being the first to start incorporating HTML5 into their browser. Or one of their senior software engineers being the key editor of the HTML5 spec.

Oh wait they are doing that...
 
Just because you are not experiencing crashes with Flash does not mean that others are not. I experienced plenty of crashes until I installed clicktoflash. Some web sites are definitely more problematic than others.

I had one crash and one hang of Safari in the last two hours; both times CrashReporter found Flash to be the culprit. Both times I believe it was for showing stupid adverts that could have been done just as well with animated GIFs :eek:
 
Let me reply to your list of demands.
1. Multitasking- iPhone has multitasking on its native apps, and thats about all I need to use multitasking for. With the speed of the 3GS and the faster speed of the iPad, it is unnecessary to demand multitasking on 3rd party apps, when it's just as quick to go back and forth between them. Anyways, I have a good feeling that multitasking is coming on OS 4.0.
2. Systemwide voice search- How often do you use that? It takes longer to activate voice search, say what you want, and wait for recognition, than it does to type something quickly in iPhone's spotlight.
3. Gmail Push- I use Gmail through my mail app on my iPhone, my messages have push notification, and I've had no problems.
4. Various phones on various networks- Apple doesn't need a variety of phones, when the iPhone takes care of basically every need a person has. While other phone companies build specific phones for specific needs, the iPhone can fill all of those requests. When it comes to various networks, it's good Apple has stuck with GSM over CDMA. GSM is more stable and can handle more data/phone usage than CDMA. I do wish, though, that the iPhone is unlocked for all GSM networks. TMobile is much better than AT&T where I live.
5. Swappable batteries- Swappable batteries ensure shorter battery life in a system, as well as have shorter lives span than non-removable batteries.
6. Hard to say that there isn't an open ecosystem with 140,000 apps, but I can't blame Apple for shooting down Google Voice. Just think, if Apple had a similar program, would Google allow it on the Droid? Verizon wouldn't let them.
7. This is the same argument I heard when Apple made the original iMac, without a floppy drive. "I know it's outdated technology, but it's almost impossible to go without it." A couple years later, no one used floppies. Apple is just placing the final nail in Flash's bloated, buggy, slow, 90's appropriate coffin.

But I do hope you enjoy your Droid, I'll enjoy my 140,000 apps for just about everything I need to support my business, and Apple will enjoy the customer satisfaction award for smartphones again, as well as it's huge marketshare.

ONE: Multitasking - It is not as quick, and it is a hell of lot more convenient to switch back and forth, especially when copying things from one running app to another. Do you Open Safari, Copy an image, Close it, Open Photoshop, Paste an image, Edit, Save, Close Photoshop, Open Email, Attach, Send, and Close Email? No. This is not an OPTION for iPhone because Steve doesn't trust users.

TWO: Voice Search - I honestly don't use this a lot throughout the course of the day. HOWEVER, I do use it while driving for hands free navigating to the things I need, or am looking for. It is nice to also use this while I am doing other things, so I don't have to focus completely on my device.

THREE: GMail Push - Works better on Android like MobileMe works better on iPhone. No surprise there.

FOUR: Phone & Network Variety - I get that Apple had to choose one carrier in the beginning to leverage what they wanted. If they don't leave AT&T, then they are guilty. However, Android has given me many options, and the options will continue. I choose, and thus the consumer has the power to choose. I win.

FIVE: Swappable Batteries - If my Android phone sacrifices a millimeter of thickness to have the same capacity, I'll be alright with it. The debate over batteries lasting longer vs. removable is lame. Either you're going to compare what the iPhone would be like with or without a removable battery, or you argue over some measly thickness. Some of us do carry multiple batteries, and some of us like to know that we can do it ourself without voiding warranties.

SIX: App Store Openness - This argument is pointless. Apple has the ability to say no to whatever apps it wants. If Apple made a similar app, I could install it on Android, because I don't need a store to download and install apps. If a friend emails me an app, I can choose to install it. If I am testing my own app, I can install it. If a website has an app, I can install it from there. This is nice and open, I like not being controlled through a store.

SEVEN: Flash - It may be ram intensive, at times buggy, and a pain to power manage, but it is a HUGE element of the current internet. Apple should have created a solution, they're the inventors here, and then bashed Flash. Instead they are going to refuse, instead of finding a way to bridge the gap. Don't think Adobe won't take notice. I may hate flash, but surfing the internet without a way to access it, sucks more. The floppy disk argument is weak. When Apple dropped floppy drives, they had a solution then, CDs. Imagine if the iMac didn't have a way to transfer data, it just gave you a blue brick and said, "sorry".

EIGHT: Physical Keyboard - I have used the iPhone keyboard. I mean used, not tried, or tested. I used it. I also used the Nexus One keyboard. Touch keyboards are HORRIBLE. I have to look while I'm typing, it is slow, I have to check to see the corrections were guessed correctly, and it is crazy annoying. I hack out 1,200 texts on my slower G1 and a hundred emails a month on it. I blaze through them without fatigue. I am waiting for either HTC or SE to create another slider with a keyboard to upgrade. If iPad had such an awesome touch keyboard, would they include an optional keyboard for at home? Think about that, even Ives and Jobs know the experience is terrible.

NINE: Customization - Not a power feature, but man, who doesn't like to make their device they're very own? It adds another layer of fun to my device, and makes it mine. Besides, I like laying out things on my home screen how I use them, and how I want to access them. It fits me, personally.

TEN: Expandable Memory - Another area users aren't trusted. I like having the ability to add more memory on all my devices. Maybe I sacrifice another millimeter of thickness (doubtful) but I have control over that too.

ELEVEN: Higher Resolution Screen - You can claim that Apple might change this in June, and that everyone else will be catching up when iPhone 4.0 is released. But right now, Apple is playing catch up. And there will be newer Android phones out by then as well.

TWELEVE: Diverse Features - Sure, having one platform, and limited features is easier to control and provides an even, boring experience across the board... I have the option of choosing a device that fits me personally. If I want a 5mp camera with physical autofocus and a flash, that option is available. If I want a simple interface and cheaper phone, I can get it. If I want noise canceling technology and a high resolution phone with a choice of inputs, I can pick that as well.

We are the consumer, we need to quit protecting one, boxed in company, and start looking at the diversity and imagining what it would be like. If Apple wants to criticize Adobe for not being creative, I can do the same for only having access to one, locked down, controlled, mobile phone. The choice between white or black isn't the only creative choice for choosing a phone. :D
 
Two things:

1) My question remains: do you believe OS X is unstable and not to be trusted on a mobile device

2) Don't kid yourself. It's not about standards, it's about getting a cut of every app sold for the device, which is NOT in the interests of consumers.

1. I don't know. I assume it would be stable but does it consume too much power for mobile device? stability is one issue but are there others to consider.

2. So? I buy what I need. This is a business. If you write applications, you are doing it out of goodness of your heart? If I need an application on Win or Mac OS, what's the difference? You think Google is letting everyone into Android out of goodness in it's heart? As consumer, I just care what works best for me. If the company do such as poor job as to alienate the developer and consumer then it gets left behind. No different with Apple, MS, Google.
 
Absolutely. There is no one perfect device for everyone. Personally I can't stand the iPhone. It is a "scripted experience, controlled by Apple." The Droid, in comparison, is more like a mini-computer that you control. That said, some people will prefer the iPhone - the "locked down" platform has the advantage of more quality control, etc. I don't think either platform will go anywhere anytime soon. I hope both platforms continue to push each other, so users of both get better and better features as time goes on!

And, certainly, I will admit iPhone is currently the more "mature" platform with more apps, etc, primarily because it's been out much longer and was the first real consumer oriented smartphone. I think in terms of maturity and apps though, Android will catch up in time.

Well put. Probably the biggest reason why I made the switch... Let's give it a few years.
It's the "mini-computer" like functionality of the Android platform that will also make it a very successful tablet OS over the next 1-2 years with little tweaking of the phone based OS.
 
How about customization .. I think we heard multi tasking .. open development plattform .. rapidly evolving as opposed to that freaking one year cycle .. fantastic screen (if we are talking about the Droid/Nexus hardware as well) .. wide choice of hardware (if we are talking about the Android plattform itself) .. FREEDOM OF CHOICE being the most important, no prima donna with his private upsets that dictates sh*t.

T.

So Apple should release a new phone everytime the Android camp decide to show of it's new champ?
 
I don't know. I assume it would be stable but does it consume too much power for mobile device? stability is one issue but are there others to consider.

It probably does consume too much power for a phone, but it doesn't have to be so for the tablet. The tablet could have a laptop processor in it, it just doesn't. It's an overgrown iPhone.
 
OK what does public disclosure have to do with it?

Not that this issue has any relevance on this discussion, but for the record;
You got that right, but hey we need to put this thread up over 1000 entries anyways.
I don't like Bill Gates, it was actually his wife that got him to support start the Gates Foundation. Regardless, he is giving money to good causes.
Well we ll know who the better half is there. But how is this a surprise anyways, people driven to build companies like MS seldom have the ability or empathy to understand the needs of others. That isn't bad, because we as a society need a wide array of personality types to progress, and remain malleable.
What is Steve Jobs doing for anyone?
Do we really need to know which charities Steve supports if any? I wouldn't expect you to know which I support or how I contribute to the community. In fact such knowledge is counter productive to the whole idea of having giving and selflessness in the first place. If you have to publicly declare your giving for it to be valid then it really isn't charity anymore but appeasement.
Is he giving back to the community?
Which community?
To any charity? Anything? If so, I am not aware of it.
And what would you do with this knowledge? Would you then rate Steve on his charity selections or the amount he gives? Do you see where it is absolutely none of your business? In any event please do tell us how any of this information would do you any good, the charities any good or do Steve any good?

The reality is that the concept of charity and giving has been considered a private matter for a good reason. Once it becomes public it is no longer a act of charity.

Dave
 
You mean the "zoom button?"

I dont remember the last time my computer crashed, froze or firefox crashed due to flash. I have a mac pro. Is it only me that thinks this whole flash debacle is greatly exaggerated?

Anyway, if he says that macs are going to be taken to the next level, im expecting some crossfire capability for ATI cards, garbage collection for SSD drives and a fix on the green button in the finder and other applications as it does NOT properly maximize windows.


The Green button isn't for maximizing, it's for zooming. It will maximize the most that makes sense for that window, rather than wasting screen real estate with blank space. Also, unlike maximize you can click it again and it will snap back to its smaller size. So while it may not "properly" maximize, it does properly "zoom" windows, which is a much more efficient use of screen space.
 
Easy buddy. Seems like someone's CEO is on the offensive after his new product has gotten torched. How about we don't build up everyone's expectations again? Just do what you normally do. Stay hush hush and then deliver a good product. It's worked in the past and should work again.



Got torched by who, the iPhone and iPod were also ''torched'' and we all knownthr miserable failures those were.
 
Well Steve, OS X's files system is so messy Torvalds, the genus behind the linux kernel, calls it 'utter crap'. Please remember that Linus Torvalds actually started using MacOS in 2005 for his work station, so he is not the enemy here, he is just an honest man who contributed so much to free computing around the world and never asked for anything in return. Apple used the OpenSource community, took FreeBSD and use it until power was gained then dropped support for the OpenSource like there is no tomorrow, even microsoft has a better support for the OpenSource community. I'm not saying microsoft is not evil, I am just mentioning facts. Imagine the new macs with a closed system where Apple gains total control of what application you can install on the OS just like the iPad / iPhone / iPod! I hope you all are smart enough to drop your support for Apple at that point. I use an iMac, MacMini, a MacBook and a MacBook Pro as well as an iPhone 2g, 3g and 3gs. Nevertheless, I'm really mad at Apple for being such a control freak about their devices and I'm just hoping that Apple will see the light at the end of the tunnel and stop pointing fingers at competitors and start cleaning it's own mess.

So now a mac users cannot have HDMI, BlueRay or Flash because they are messy, while the entire OS is stored on a messy FileSystem, Yeh :eek:
 
LOL! :D

Entire 0.64% of overall web usage!

Fact! ----> http://www.w3counter.com/globalstats.php

WoooooW :eek:

Not of overall, of mobile browsers.

This is old, but:
iphonemarket3-109.bmp

iPhone now 67% of mobile browser share.

Don't confuse a small share with a small number. How many iPhones have been sold?

I wonder what it is with Android out there now? Probably 50-60%.
 
Shedworx Voltaic lets you do editing at the GOP (group of pictures) which is 15 frames, at least that is my understanding. You won't be able to do transitions. It's inexpensive at about $40.

I don't think Apple sees anything wrong with BD and AVCHD per se, but authoring is a huge issue:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BD-J

and the license for Authoring is steep.

I gave my parents a Panasonic DMP-BD55K last year, and I bought myself the DMP-BD80K specifically as it had an SD slot for the AVCHD playback, and I know that this works for PS3 as well. I also have a couple of Panasonic consumer HD cameras, an HDC-SD5 and an HDC-SD100 (which has and EVF and microphone inputs).

I'm thinking that this will all be sorted out on the AVCHD side with Snow Leopard versions of FCS and FCE, hopefully by late this spring. As for BD, Apple will need to update DVDstudio and that will be non trivial based on my original investigations of the BD Authoring process.

I would have to agree with SJ on the licensing and DRM issues, but I'm not sure that I agree with him on keeping BD drives out of Macs, whatever their poor usability chracteristics (and they are slow to boot in my experience).

Thanks for the info.

It's interesting that Apple are hedging on HTML5 as the future and want to kill flash. Great! Hopefully that will happen...soon!

Why can't they do the same [hedging] for Blu-ray (which I think is far less a risk - what's the alternative?)?

RE: The authoring costs...yeah, they are steep...but every other manufacturer manages to pay it, and last time I heard...AAPL were not short of a few bucks! I really don't see why they need to wait.

We have every major manufacturer producing BD players, we have 1080P HDTV, PS3 does it, and to repeat...it is very hard to buy a "non" HD camcorder these days...well, unless you want tape [Ughhh]!

Oh and every "PC" manufacturer offers it. Did Apple underestimate BD? Did they just miss the boat? Probably, right? That and HDMI as a connection standard (ooohhh....audio AND video in one cable in HD!). They have the output on Apple TV! Surely it can't be hard to add to MBP's!

Since the focus has been on the iPhone (a ridiculous success), they seem (IMHO), to have ignored the other product lines. They have become stale and not really in touch with today's technology.

I wonder what Apple's numbers would be, without the iPhone...Still growing, flat or declining?

Looks like a Windows machine is my only choice...that sucks for me!
 
Well Steve, OS X's files system is so messy Torvalds, the genus behind the linux kernel, calls it 'utter crap'. Please remember that Linus Torvalds actually started using MacOS in 2005 for his work station, so he is not the enemy here, he is just an honest man who contributed so much to free computing around the world and never asked for anything in return. Apple used the OpenSource community, took FreeBSD and use it until power was gained then dropped support for the OpenSource like there is no tomorrow, even microsoft has a better support for the OpenSource community. I'm not saying microsoft is not evil, I am just mentioning facts. Imagine the new macs with a closed system where Apple gains total control of what application you can install on the OS just like the iPad / iPhone / iPod! I hope you all are smart enough to drop your support for Apple at that point. I use an iMac, MacMini, a MacBook and a MacBook Pro as well as an iPhone 2g, 3g and 3gs. Nevertheless, I'm really mad at Apple for being such a control freak about their devices and I'm just hoping that Apple will see the light at the end of the tunnel and stop pointing fingers at competitors and start cleaning it's own mess.

So now a mac users cannot have HDMI, BlueRay or Flash because they are messy, while the entire OS is stored on a messy FileSystem, Yeh :eek:


Linus is one of the most egotistical self-centered people I've ever "met".
 
"Next iPhone will be A+ upgrade"

Well, no crap :rolleyes: What's he going to say, the next iPhone upgrade will be a C upgrade??

Jobs really knows how to create interest for the smallest of things. Either that or we're all just a bunch of sheep.

Looking forward to the 2010 Macs. Would really love to see Apple get back on track with their computers.

haha Yeah, that was the sore point of vague in this speech. What does A+ mean?? is that some vague way of saying "Oh, we'll have something in the upgrade, some pittance..." or is this really indicating some amazingly major upgrade to the hardware and software? I hate when Jobs does this kinda stuff. His "new sexy" comment about the interface for the iPad was completely vague and ridiculous... and fake.

As for the 2010 Macs, Jobs had a plan laid out for years now. He commented way back when in 2007 about how the company would shift for a few years to focus on the iPhone. It was noted the company would return to computers around this time. Hope it's good stuff, not just vague statements with no serious meaning.
 
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