I'm not sure if I'm affected by this issue or not. I'll test when I return to my Mac. I'm one of those that was not bitten by the first 10.2.8 or any other Apple software updates.
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10.3.9 and Java Glitch
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It's a funny thing. I can see why Windows has so much pain when there are so many wacky hardware configurations available, but am rather surprised that it seems to happen to Apple as well. Thankfully I've had nothing but joy when updating my PowerBook since Jaguar, but I'm really surprised that this particular bug was allowed out the door. Judging by the number of posts in the original update thread citing the problem you'd have thought that one of the ADC developers that received the update for testing would have come across this one prior to it being released. Very odd. 
It's certainly not the end of the world but I'm really surprised that it wasn't caught much sooner.
It's certainly not the end of the world but I'm really surprised that it wasn't caught much sooner.
I upgraded three Macs to 10.3.9 over the weekend, with no problems whatsoever. Safari's performance is much improved. Presumably, the people who are being hit with this issue are getting stung for a reason. What that reason is, nobody seems to know (or care?).
What I really don't get is the vocal B&M'ers who are griping about 10.3.9, but think the first version of Tiger out of the box is going to solve all of their problems. Come on, people -- haven't we learned this lesson yet? The first version of any major upgrade is the thing to avoid.
What I really don't get is the vocal B&M'ers who are griping about 10.3.9, but think the first version of Tiger out of the box is going to solve all of their problems. Come on, people -- haven't we learned this lesson yet? The first version of any major upgrade is the thing to avoid.
After some discussion on the Java developer list it looks like at least some of the systems that have had problems, happened to have Java applications running while the update ran. So it is possible that the running Java applications prevented a full update of the Java runtime and/or the Java shared archive.JRM PowerPod said:
I didn't have any issues on the 3 systems I updated (none had Java applications running at the time of the update).
Billicus said:Hmm... This is odd. I tried "java -version" and it returned without a segmentation fault, but I still have unexpected quits when I simply press OA - Q in Safari...
If you have any 3rd party plugins for Safari try disabling/removing them.
I had the problem on one machine but made sure to shut down the one Java application I had running on the other machine so all went fine with the 10.3.9 update.
I would imagine I'll be much more aware of shutting down Java applications during future updates.
I would imagine I'll be much more aware of shutting down Java applications during future updates.
Ok, let's be clear. People who believe moving to Tiger (10.4.0) will have a more robust system than people with Panther (10.3.9) have a serious reality distortion problem
As for the updates I had no problem at all with the successive updates until I installed 10.3.9 and got bitten by the java bug which in all honesty took me as long to fix as checking some forums and re-installing the security updates, so no big deal here
I think 10.3.9 was the last big update for Panther, from now on it's Tiger full speed ahead and Panther will receive only security updates.
As for Tiger I ordered it the day it was announced Will I install it straight away? Certainly not. I'll wait until 10.4.1 is out and possibly 10.4.2
At the end of the day software coming from Apple, Microsoft, IBM, Sun, Open Source, etc... is just that "software" and unless we find a way to automatically test each piece of code that is released with testing procedures which are 100% reliable then there'll be always bugs that slips through the cracks.
Cheerio.
As for the updates I had no problem at all with the successive updates until I installed 10.3.9 and got bitten by the java bug which in all honesty took me as long to fix as checking some forums and re-installing the security updates, so no big deal here
I think 10.3.9 was the last big update for Panther, from now on it's Tiger full speed ahead and Panther will receive only security updates.
As for Tiger I ordered it the day it was announced
Will I install it straight away? Certainly not. I'll wait until 10.4.1 is out and possibly 10.4.2 At the end of the day software coming from Apple, Microsoft, IBM, Sun, Open Source, etc... is just that "software" and unless we find a way to automatically test each piece of code that is released with testing procedures which are 100% reliable then there'll be always bugs that slips through the cracks.
Cheerio.
If folks hit Safari bugs review the following website (blog maintained by one of the main Safari developers). If Safari is crashing check out the Java kbase posted above and/or remove any 3rd party Safari plugins until they are updated.
http://weblogs.mozillazine.org/hyatt/
http://weblogs.mozillazine.org/hyatt/
caccamolle said:
Yeah, whatever dude.
10.3 - Stable on all 3 of my machines
10.3.7 - Stable on all 3 of my machines
10.3.8 - Stable on all 3 of my machines
10.3.9 - Stable on all 3 of my machines
If you're having problems at each update you might want to consider what haxies, freeware or shareware you are using because something is wrong. This latest screw-up by Apple is dumb, however don't start launching even dumber conspiracy theories. I always want to look for correlations, if you're having problems what programs are you running?
Who else is having problems and what programs or systems are you running?
This is just like the Firewire problem: intermittent and I think entirely over-reported because it was just scary enough for users.
Same here - I agree with your advice. It looks like I'm unaffected by this Java Glitch.hulugu said:
Ditto, but I see your 3 systems and raise you 2 more systems and throw in one that started at 10.0 and has been updated to 10.3.9 without issue (didn't do clean or archive installs, no repair permissions, etc. just good old standard updates).hulugu said:
My Macs are Cool... but,
It's amazing that Apple can let something like this slip through the cracks. Perhaps it is the rush for one last update before a major upgrade (10.2.8 anyone?) In any case, from this point on, they better have some lackie come up with hundreds of installations on various hardaware and spend a couple of days entering "java -version" into each one. Ha! Hell I would do that job is Apple paid me enough... and let me into the Chocolate Factory...
It's amazing that Apple can let something like this slip through the cracks. Perhaps it is the rush for one last update before a major upgrade (10.2.8 anyone?) In any case, from this point on, they better have some lackie come up with hundreds of installations on various hardaware and spend a couple of days entering "java -version" into each one. Ha! Hell I would do that job is Apple paid me enough... and let me into the Chocolate Factory...
it seemed like a bit of a rush job!
as an update to my problem,
the java update wouldn't let me install, so i reinstalled the security update and all is well.
got this prompt:
java version "1.4.2_05"
Java(TM) 2 Runtime Environment, Standard Edition (build 1.4.2_05-141.4)
Java HotSpot(TM) Client VM (build 1.4.2-38, mixed mode)
i take it that it sorted then!
Rowan
as an update to my problem,
the java update wouldn't let me install, so i reinstalled the security update and all is well.
got this prompt:
java version "1.4.2_05"
Java(TM) 2 Runtime Environment, Standard Edition (build 1.4.2_05-141.4)
Java HotSpot(TM) Client VM (build 1.4.2-38, mixed mode)
i take it that it sorted then!
Rowan
fps said:
Well I hope so, or it's going to have to be called 10.3.9.1! (Is it an operating system or an IP number?
)As an FYI Apple released at least 3 developer preview builds of Mac OS X 10.3.9 to developers starting as far back as the last week of March, including the very build that was released to the public. Interesting that no Java developers detected this issue since it would have likely affected them more directly then anyone else (they often have Java applications running for example).rowanhall said:
Not this again. Any update to Panther beyond 10.3.9 will be numbered 10.3.10 because that's the way software version numbers work. And that's that.IJ Reilly said:Well I hope so, or it's going to have to be called 10.3.9.1! (Is it an operating system or an IP number?
wnurse said:
I have that problem too depending on the batteries I use.
If I use rechargeable batteries, it won't pair again unless I tell it to. You can do this without a mouse. Apple-TAB to the finder, Apple-Shift-U to get to the Utilities folder. Cursor right and then down to Bluetooth Setup Assistant. Apple-O to open that then hit return to search for devices and follow on from there.
If I use normal, non-rechargeable batteries then it will pair by itself eventually.
I'd guess that the initial pairing relies on more power than a rechargeable can provide. My rechargeable batteries are 1.25V 1600mAh Ni-MH batteries. Most normal batteries are 1.5v.
I've had similar problems with some types of rechargeable batteries in cameras also which run out quickly. There are a few 1.5v rechargable AA batteries now so maybe I'll give them a go next.
However, it'd get pretty expensive replacing normal batteries at the rate the mouse goes through them, never mind the environmental consequences.
shawnce said:
I'd guess that most if not all of the Java developers had the Java3D stuff installed. If they had that, it seems the problem doesn't occur. The 2005-002 security update just replaces Java components that the 10.3.9 update trashes if you've not got Java3D.
I've updated two machines. One had no problem at all but I'd installed Java3D and all the other Java updates along the way. The second did have problems and it hadn't the Java3D update as that didn't get delivered via Software Update.
My wife still is having problems on her 15" PowerBook. Safari crashes and she is having Java Script problems. So she is currently downloading and installing Java 1.4.2 Update 2 and Security Update 2005-002.
She was wondering if she will need to download any of the other updates again.?
She was wondering if she will need to download any of the other updates again.?