10.5.3 Is Out!

[due time]

RE: "Originally Posted by HyperZboy
CMD-Click does NOT open the FOLDER! Next.....

Do people here even try stuff before shooting their mouths off???"



At the risk of being warned once again by MacRumors moderators within the death grip of the Steve Jobs Reality Distortion Field, I'll just state the truth AGAIN...

You cannot in any way single click on a folder in the dock and have it just open as a folder in Leopard, even 10.5.3. Just not true, even if you CMD-Click. You can do this in TIGER.

What's more interesting though is that more than one person has posted this same lie over and over and each said they were able to DO IT even though that is IMPOSSIBLE!

There appears to be no mechanism at MacRumors to prevent or warn against deliberate misinformation, only the people that debunk misinformation!

What an irony.

Anyway, I hope Apple fixes this obvious Dock issue in 10.5.4 and this is my last comment on the subject here.

See you all at the Apple Discussions complaint threads.

I did cmd click on a folder in my dock and...ka bing... up pops a finder window of the folder! Yes, this is with Leopard. 10.5.2.

 

[khunsanook]

Probably been mentioned already, but I'm very pleased that exposé is now functioning correctly with Word and Photoshop. No more guessing which window is what. Haven't noticed the speed improvements to MS Word (launch) that others have reported...actually Office 2008 apps seem to start up much slower.

 

[leekohler]

OK, I just have to say this- why is it that Leopard's graphics still suck? Why are the genie effect and dashboard still jerky? These were things that worked flawlessly on my old 1 Ghz iBook G4 with Tiger. Why the hell can they not get this to work with a dual core 2.4 BlackBook? Maybe I'm being picky, but it's ridiculous. It's old graphics tech that should be working fine, especially on a new machine. Honestly, the graphics are pathetic considering that they mastered Quartz Extreme ages ago.

 

[khunsanook]

OK, I just have to say this- why is it that Leopard's graphics still suck? Why are the genie effect and dashboard still jerky? These were things that worked flawlessly on my old 1 Ghz iBook G4 with Tiger. Why the hell can they not get this to work with a dual core 2.4 BlackBook? Maybe I'm being picky, but it's ridiculous. It's old graphics tech that should be working fine, especially on a new machine. Honestly, the graphics are pathetic considering that they mastered Quartz Extreme ages ago.

totally agree. I thought maybe it was my "outdated" Core Duo.

On another note, Mail's "new mail" alert tone STILL doesn't work
I had no idea that a simple dingdong would be so hard to fix. Thankfully there's Growl.

 

[leekohler]

totally agree. I thought maybe it was my "outdated" Core Duo.

It's really starting to p*** me off. I mean, why can't they even get the old tech to work right on a new computer? It doesn't even work properly on my friend's SR MBP.

 

[poisonapple]

totally agree. I thought maybe it was my "outdated" Core Duo.

On another note, Mail's "new mail" alert tone STILL doesn't work
I had no idea that a simple dingdong would be so hard to fix. Thankfully there's Growl.

Odd. I've never had a problem with the 'new mail sound' with Leopard. I just tested the genie effect too and it's pretty snappy. I'm using a 1.6 MBA. Have you guys upgraded from a previous install of Tiger?

 

[Obocop]

Just to let other users know that 10.5.3 installed on my 2006 Mac Pro with no hiccups. Didn't fix any OS issues, as I didn't have any with 10.5.2. (Apart from the 1 pixel horizontal rainbow lines from my burnt out ATI x1900xt).
Still waiting to see which is the best card for my purposes between the 8800gt and the (soon to be released???) HD 3870.

 

[cms2]

It's really starting to p*** me off. I mean, why can't they even get the old tech to work right on a new computer? It doesn't even work properly on my friend's SR MBP.

Typing this on a SR MBP... and yeah, about every fourth time or so, the stacks-effect or the genie acts a bit choppy, especially if opening a "grid" stack.

 

[bretm]

I did cmd click on a folder in my dock and...ka bing... up pops a finder window of the folder! Yes, this is with Leopard. 10.5.2.

I can do it without cmd, and only a single click. Click and hold and move mouse up slightly to choose "open (folder name)"

There done.

And yes, cmd clicking a folder in the dock opens it in a window in 10.5.2. Period.

 

[vansouza]

RE: "Originally Posted by HyperZboy
CMD-Click does NOT open the FOLDER! Next.....

Do people here even try stuff before shooting their mouths off???"



At the risk of being warned once again by MacRumors moderators within the death grip of the Steve Jobs Reality Distortion Field, I'll just state the truth AGAIN...

You cannot in any way single click on a folder in the dock and have it just open as a folder in Leopard, even 10.5.3. Just not true, even if you CMD-Click. You can do this in TIGER.

What's more interesting though is that more than one person has posted this same lie over and over and each said they were able to DO IT even though that is IMPOSSIBLE!

There appears to be no mechanism at MacRumors to prevent or warn against deliberate misinformation, only the people that debunk misinformation!

What an irony.

Anyway, I hope Apple fixes this obvious Dock issue in 10.5.4 and this is my last comment on the subject here.

See you all at the Apple Discussions complaint threads.

Just want to understand... I have two folders in my dock, by the trash can and one click on them opens them completely. Are you discussing some other folder or kind of folder?

 

[poisonapple]

I did cmd click on a folder in my dock and...ka bing... up pops a finder window of the folder! Yes, this is with Leopard. 10.5.2.

Hey, guess what? It still works in 10.5.3. Dunno what The other guy is sore about. It works just fine. Cmd+click == opens as a folder.

 

[vandozza]

I did cmd click on a folder in my dock and...ka bing... up pops a finder window of the folder! Yes, this is with Leopard. 10.5.2.

I can do it without cmd, and only a single click. Click and hold and move mouse up slightly to choose "open (folder name)"

There done.

And yes, cmd clicking a folder in the dock opens it in a window in 10.5.2. Period.

I think you guys slightly missed the point. Cmd-Clicking opens the PARENT FOLDER, not the folder that you Cmd-Click ON.

As much as I hate to agree with hyperZboy, he is correct in this case. (He wasn't arguing that Cmd-Click doesn't open a finder window, but that Cmd-Clicking does't DIRECTLY open the folder you are Cmd-Clicking on.)

 

[seashellz]

C'mon guys-give APPLE a break-

they should have it all running up to speed on 90% of all machines by 10.5.5...

 

[macrem]

Wow that is interesting. Don't know if that's new. There is a very obscure way to sync to Yahoo though--open iSync, enable the icon in the menu bar, login to Yahoo and sync from there--I would be really pleased if syncing with Google is now built-in!

Its new, I just checked for that file in 10.5.2 and its not there.

 

[HLdan]

I think you guys slightly missed the point. Cmd-Clicking opens the PARENT FOLDER, not the folder that you Cmd-Click ON.

As much as I hate to agree with hyperZboy, he is correct in this case. (He wasn't arguing that Cmd-Click doesn't open a finder window, but that Cmd-Clicking does't DIRECTLY open the folder you are Cmd-Clicking on.)

Please give an example of what the difference is between the two ways?

 

[macrem]

While reading this thread, I drank 280 cl of coffee. It took 5.5 minutes

I am not going to say anything about linux, as I stopped using it. Linux is too open-sourced and trying to get support was frustrating. I could never understand why the x11 desktop was so slow...

All I have to say is my life has gotten a lot easier and hassle free with my mac. Am I lucky - Maybe but I don't beleive in luck. i think the issue comes down to how much you tweak your machine or how much 3 party apps you have on it. Windows updates, I just don't understand - could it be cause of the same issue (3rd party apps), maybe - but when the 3rd party app updates your os files in a system folder, I can see why. on the other hand, why have the updates for XP really starting to show issues in the last couple of years since vista became on the horizon? I can see why Xp had issues before sp2 as it was a new operating system, but even up until sp2 XP seemed to be hassle free, the last year or so after sp2 started started major problems when it comes to support. We get more "can't explain it" types of calls or responses all the time.

I just hope my experience with mac continues because I really love what mac has to office and the fact the apps seem to be much friendlier to work with (and I can really seem to be more efficient with getting stuff done).

OS X is the most user friendly OS IMO, but abnormally complex under the hood given its roots. When tweaking something with a hack (because of the aforementioned complexity), I log an untweak procedure to follow before updates. In writing, it reminds me to do important things like backing up files, etc.

Linux is simpler under the hood, which makes tweaking a breeze, but you're semi on your own. There are plenty of resources but its up to you to dig them up.

Windows...don't get me started. AFAIK its the root cause of the current economic crisis

Its funny, America developes the technology, but we are slower on implementing it. i heard wireless is incredible in Europe.

Budding developers in many European and Asian Universities, etc. are more likely to develop the new "killer apps" that take advantage of fast broadband. Its the price you pay for "too much" laissez-faire IMO.

 

[yoavcs]

Please give an example of what the difference is between the two ways?

I'm having a real hard time understanding just what the heck is so darn difficult for people to comprehend here. It really boggles the mind.

Cmd-clicking a folder in the Dock does NOT open that folder. It opens the PARENT folder.

Example for those having difficulty with abstract ideas:

Cmd-clicking the Documents folder in the Dock does NOT open the Documents folder meaning I do NOT get a window showing me all the documents and files I have in it. What it DOES do is open my Home directory (the PARENT folder of Documents) with the Documents folder conveniently selected for me, right there next to my Downloads, Pictures, etc... folders.

At first I thought that Hyper was an arrogant twit, but reading some of the responses here and all the "ha! you are wrong, it works for me" replies of people with absolutely zero reading comprehension skills I am beginning to think Hyper is a mild-mannered calm person.

 

[skviki]

Sorry to hear you had a problem. I updated 7 Macs yesterday, ranging in age from three old G4s (an iBook and two towers) a MacBook, a Dual G5 and 8 Core Xeons. Other than that weird e-mail issue I mention above, all updated flawlessly. I would respectfully suggest that saying things like that may discourage switchers and is a silly thing to say, even if meant as a joke. Switching from Windows to Mac is a wonderful and totally enjoyable experience for all I have known ... and that is a hell of a lot. Perhaps your Mac's got other issues?
p.s. Each had a bootable back up made first.

Maybe in english speaking areas you don't have problems and maybe you don't use a lot of fonts in your work. Switching from windows that had intl. support done OK to mac with only fragmental international support that required some time to adjust. Next thing were font handling and problems related to that - never a problem in WIndows XP since it handled all font formats properly and displayed right characters almost every time regardless of the type of font (coded either in iso latin 4 or windows latin 2 or unicode). Had to do numerous reinstalls of the system before I realised that the only way os x functions properly for me is to use a font management software. And after braking my teeth on "industry leader" suitcase I ended up using Fontagent which works for me. Anther thing was my laguage is only supported in unicode which meant all painfully acquired ps1 fonts with diacritics and accents were worthless. I had to buy a font conversion util to port those fonts (not without much learning along) to tt open type. And in quark it still didn't always work as expected... - thank god for indd...

All that along with deadlines I had to catch... I lost quite a few hair at the period I was switching, sometimes I was at the verge of smashing the bloody mac on the flor and jump alll over it.

Microsoft always took care admirably for my local market - localizations, language support... since win 95 the computer was fully usable with almost any production software. Input using different font formats and codepages was fairly problem free. When I first came in contact with OSX it was windows 3.1 all over again.

But it always looked good... and I wouldn't switch back now.

Sorry to hear you had a problem. I updated 7 Macs yesterday, ranging in age from three old G4s (an iBook and two towers) a MacBook, a Dual G5 and 8 Core Xeons. Other than that weird e-mail issue I mention above, all updated flawlessly. I would respectfully suggest that saying things like that may discourage switchers and is a silly thing to say, even if meant as a joke. Switching from Windows to Mac is a wonderful and totally enjoyable experience for all I have known ... and that is a hell of a lot. Perhaps your Mac's got other issues?
p.s. Each had a bootable back up made first.

Maybe in english speaking areas you don't have problems and maybe you don't use a lot of fonts in your work. Switching from windows that had intl. support done OK to mac with only fragmental international support - that required some time to adjust. Next thing were font handling and problems related to that - never a problem in WIndows XP since it handled all font formats properly and displayed right characters almost every time regardless of the type of font (coded either in iso latin 4 or windows latin 2 or unicode). Had to do numerous reinstalls of the system before I realised that the only way os x functions properly for me is to use a font management software. And after braking my teeth on "industry leader" suitcase I ended up using Fontagent which works for me. Anther thing was my laguage is only supported in unicode which meant all painfully acquired ps1 fonts with diacritics and accents were worthless. I had to buy a font conversion util to port those fonts (not without much learning along) to tt open type. And in quark it still didn't always work as expected... - thank god for indd...

All that along with deadlines I had to catch... I lost quite a few hair at the period I was switching, sometimes I was at the verge of smashing the bloody mac on the flor and jump alll over it.

Microsoft always took care admirably for my local market - localizations, language support... since win 95 the computer was fully usable with almost any production software. Input using different font formats and codepages was fairly problem free. When I first came in contact with OSX it was windows 3.1 all over again.

But it always looked good... and I wouldn't switch back now.

 

[vandozza]

Hey, guess what? It still works in 10.5.3. Dunno what The other guy is sore about. It works just fine. Cmd+click == opens as a folder.

Please give an example of what the difference is between the two ways?

I'm having a real hard time understanding just what the heck is so darn difficult for people to comprehend here. It really boggles the mind.

Cmd-clicking a folder in the Dock does NOT open that folder. It opens the PARENT folder.

Example for those having difficulty with abstract ideas:

Cmd-clicking the Documents folder in the Dock does NOT open the Documents folder meaning I do NOT get a window showing me all the documents and files I have in it. What it DOES do is open my Home directory (the PARENT folder of Documents) with the Documents folder conveniently selected for me, right there next to my Downloads, Pictures, etc... folders.

At first I thought that Hyper was an arrogant twit, but reading some of the responses here and all the "ha! you are wrong, it works for me" replies of people with absolutely zero reading comprehension skills I am beginning to think Hyper is a mild-mannered calm person.

Thank you yoavcs! You have explained my earlier point exactly.
+1 reading comprehension ftw

The current functioning of folders in the dock doesn't bother me at all, I'll happily keep things the way they are.

I'm not here to defend Hyper, as I think he really could have made his argument, and subsequent replies in a less abraisive manner, however the fact is that he is still correct on the point he is arguing "There is no way to single click a folder on the dock, so that it opens to show its CONTENTS" - unless you use an alias, which was deemed unsuitable to Hyper for whatever reason. I know there are probably a million workarounds and fixes, but that still doesn't make the point he his arguing incorrect.)

His suggestion of having the option "Display as FOLDER" would also be an easy to implement solution, and solve his issue. There isn't any reason why this couldn't be included at some stage.

 

[alFR]

Incidentally the same 6 months that in the Mac universe have been the worst since the OS9>10 transition back in 2001-2002.

I don't know about that - based on my (anecdotal) experience it's been fine, so based on that I could say it's been one of their best 6 months. The truth, as it almost always does, lies somewhere in the middle - some people have had problems, some people haven't. To take a view at either end of the spectrum would be exaggerating the real situation, I think.

"There is no way to single click a folder on the dock, so that it opens to show its CONTENTS" - unless you use an alias, which was deemed unsuitable to Hyper for whatever reason.

Unless of course you are in column view, in which case it does show the contents. As about a million people have already said.

 

[grobbins]

The google contact sync is just what I've been missing, but it isn't working for me. I've tried it with and without the @gmail.com extention, and it won't authenticate...

The keychain probably needs to be repaired.

 

[MartiNZ]

I agree with you. My problems with updates didn't start until I purchased my first Mac last year. I have had more problems with updates then I have ever had with any windows machine. I am waiting on this update for people to give the go ahead.

I am still waiting for a Boot Camp update that will actually work. I have tried all the ideas and still can't get boot camp to update.

I will be waiting for the next . (dot) update before trying any updates on the apple.

Yep interesting. The most recent boot camp update caused more problems than it fixed in my experience anyway; it reduced Vista's reliability to that of Leopard at 10.5.2. Now hopefully they can do a boot camp update to improve that to the tune of 10.5.3 ... except that it's turning out that enough bugs weren't fixed in 10.5.3 that they might as well not bother.

Here's to another three months of waiting ... and having my display randomly shift back to the awful default 'Color LCD' calibration on waking from sleep ... and having an iTunes dashboard widget that just doesn't work ... and having bugs with menubar--app synchronisation, bugs in Mail, Spaces, etc.

And then there's requests - like sidebar links working as expected in open/save dialogs and the ability to sort by kind in some form in them. Maybe by 10.5.5 indeed.

 

[vandozza]

Unless of course you are in column view, in which case it does show the contents. As about a million people have already said.

I certainly can't disagree with you there!
Personally I don't know why the alias method was unsatisfactory for hyper.

As I was saying, my post was less about agreeing with hyper, but more about encouraging people to read/comprehend the initial point a little better.
Plenty of people seemed to be arguing over a point, where they had missed the acutal point.

 

[farleysmaster]

Thank you yoavcs! You have explained my earlier point exactly.
+1 reading comprehension ftw

The current functioning of folders in the dock doesn't bother me at all, I'll happily keep things the way they are.

I'm not here to defend Hyper, as I think he really could have made his argument, and subsequent replies in a less abraisive manner, however the fact is that he is still correct on the point he is arguing "There is no way to single click a folder on the dock, so that it opens to show its CONTENTS" - unless you use an alias, which was deemed unsuitable to Hyper for whatever reason. .

Or unless you do as posted somewhere above, hold down the left mouse button on the folder, and release the button over the 'Open "folder"' option at the bottom (not the 'Show in Finder') option. It's true, it could/should be easier.

 

[PowerFullMac]

I just noticed that stacks are not choppy like they were before...