10 Core 5700 XT Benchmarks

[quagmire]

Max Yuryev is scheduled to get his new 10 core 5700 XT model tomorrow and hopefully his reviews are on Friday/this weekend so we can get a really good look at thermals and performance. I will keep everyone updated!

I find so weird how timing works. He ordered it day of release and getting it tomorrow. I ordered mine last Thursday and should be getting it tomorrow. Only difference I believe is the CPU and Gigabit port. Tracking others, it appears the 10 Gigabit port is the hold up for many.

 

[ADGrant]

If you're just strictly talking about gaming, then the i9 is a bit of overkill compared to the i7. You shouldn't see a notable difference between the two. Most of the heavy lifting will be done by the GPU. If you'll also be doing some heavy duty video editing where you need something that will chew through the load, then yes, get the i9. Otherwise I'd suggest the i7 and use the extra cash for a bigger SSD for, say, a bigger Bootcamp partition.

I doubt anyone will be buying a 10 core iMac just to play games.

 

[BuCkDoG]

This is the exact review I'm hoping to see. I've been refreshing his channel once a day for over a week lol

His video is now up!

 

[torifile]

This is the result from my Vega 64 on my i7 8700k hackintosh. The 5700XT is the real deal.View attachment 943799

Here's the results from my new 2020 iMac. 10 core, 5700xt

 

[BuCkDoG]

Here's the results from my new 2020 iMac. 10 core, 5700xtView attachment 946170

How have you been liking the machine so far? Do you still think the 10 Core is worth it or is the 8 core just worth the savings?

 

[Whiteman007]

How have you been liking the machine so far? Do you still think the 10 Core is worth it or is the 8 core just worth the savings?

for me i would prob have saved the 400 and stayed with the 8 but i'm not to worried about it. the 10 core is super sick

 

[BuCkDoG]

for me i would prob have saved the 400 and stayed with the 8 but i'm not to worried about it. the 10 core is super sick

Fair enough. I was all in on the 10 core model but after seeing some benchmarks and what not I don’t really think I actually
need to 10 core for my workflow. Since the 8 core has a much higher sustained clock speed and can run with more wattage this allows more power to the GPU since there is less cores under full load. Most of my tasks are GPU heavy anyways but if you got the cash I mean having more cores won’t hurt anyone.

 

[smbu2000]

I’ve heard via Matt Moniz who did some benchmarks and testing on his 10 core 5700 XT loaner from Apple that he thinks the 5700 XT is roughly the same performance as a RTX 2070 Super or RTX 2080 MaxQ so this card really is indeed a beefy card. The 3D Mark Fire Strike score is the same as the two GPUs I just listed so it makes sense it would bench around those GPUs. To put things in comparison, the RTX 2080 Super scores about 4000 points higher in the fire strike test coming in at around 22,000 where as the 2070 Super, 2080 MaxQ, and 5700 XT is around 18,000. My Radeon Pro 580 from my 2017 5k iMac scores around 6600 fire strike so its a huge improvement overall.

The RTX 2080 Max-Q isn't really that powerful of a card. I used to have a 15" Razer Blade Advanced with i7-8750H (6 core) and the RTX 2080 Max-Q (higher power 90W version) and it doesn't match up to the 5700XT in my Win10 Desktop.

2080 Max-Q 3dmark Fire Strike: Graphics score 20,241 (overall 16,598)
5700XT 3dmark Fire Strike: Graphics score 27,683 (overall 23,310)

Overall is obviously skewed by my much more powerful Ryzen 9 3900X vs the mobile i7-8750H in the laptop, but Graphics scores are comparable.

Time Spy was the same story except an even bigger difference:
2080 Max-Q Time Spy: Graphics score 4,691 (overall 4,667)
5700XT Time Spy: Graphics score 9,363 (overall 9,673)
(BONUS: Vega64 Time Spy: Graphics score 7,166 (overall 7,641) in the same Desktop. I used it before switching to the 5700XT.

I haven't tested out my 16" MBP with the 5700XT in my eGPU box as I don't have Windows installed on it.

5700XT is a Sapphire 5700XT Nitro+, the Vega64 was a Powercolor Red Devil Vega64, all tests with 32GB of RAM. I don't have the Razer laptop, nor the Vega64 anymore.

 

[BuCkDoG]

The RTX 2080 Max-Q isn't really that powerful of a card. I used to have a 15" Razer Blade Advanced with i7-8750H (6 core) and the RTX 2080 Max-Q (higher power 90W version) and it doesn't match up to the 5700XT in my Win10 Desktop.

2080 Max-Q 3dmark Fire Strike: Graphics score 20,241 (overall 16,598)
5700XT 3dmark Fire Strike: Graphics score 27,683 (overall 23,310)

Overall is obviously skewed by my much more powerful Ryzen 9 3900X vs the mobile i7-8750H in the laptop, but Graphics scores are comparable.

Time Spy was the same story except an even bigger difference:
2080 Max-Q Time Spy: Graphics score 4,691 (overall 4,667)
5700XT Time Spy: Graphics score 9,363 (overall 9,673)
(BONUS: Vega64 Time Spy: Graphics score 7,166 (overall 7,641) in the same Desktop. I used it before switching to the 5700XT.

I haven't tested out my 16" MBP with the 5700XT in my eGPU box as I don't have Windows installed on it.

5700XT is a Sapphire 5700XT Nitro+, the Vega64 was a Powercolor Red Devil Vega64, all tests with 32GB of RAM. I don't have the Razer laptop, nor the Vega64 anymore.

So based on those facts and information, what’s your overall thoughts and impressions of the 5700 XT Apple is using for this iMac? I plan on purchasing the 8 core 5700 XT model and I don’t think the performance is worth the $400 increase for the 10 core model.

 

[rkuo]

I find so weird how timing works. He ordered it day of release and getting it tomorrow. I ordered mine last Thursday and should be getting it tomorrow. Only difference I believe is the CPU and Gigabit port. Tracking others, it appears the 10 Gigabit port is the hold up for many.

This isn't actually that weird ... you can imagine that the production line retools slightly to make all of the outstanding orders in a certain variation of iMac at once. So they queued them up for a bit and then just got to yours and his on the same run.

 

[Apple-is-Cool]

Here's the results from my new 2020 iMac. 10 core, 5700xt

This really shows how slow OpenGL is on macOS. For comparison, here is my PowerColor 5700XT(reference model) in my 2010 Mac Pro (PCIe 2.0) with macOS Catalina 10.15.6

And the same Mac Pro with Windows 10 build 2004, DirectX, and AMD 20.8.2 drivers

 

[smbu2000]

So based on those facts and information, what’s your overall thoughts and impressions of the 5700 XT Apple is using for this iMac? I plan on purchasing the 8 core 5700 XT model and I don’t think the performance is worth the $400 increase for the 10 core model.

I think that the 5700XT is a pretty good card overall. I've been happy with my 5700XT and the Apple one seems very comparable, but with the bonus of having double the VRAM. Being able to get that kind of performance in the iMac is great.
I agree with you on the i9 vs the i7. The i7 seems like the much better value as it is basically the upgraded 8core/16thread upgrade option i9 from last year, but available with the standard high end option. The i9 doesn't really seem to add too much to performance over the i7 according to the benchmarks and that $400 upgrade price is relatively high for the difference in performance over the i7.
The 5700XT on the other hand gives a pretty good performance boost over the 5500XT.

I've been thinking about upgrading my iMac (currently using a max 2012 27", i7-3770/32GB/2GB GTX 680MX connected to my 32" 4k monitor) and if I did upgrade I would go for the i7/5700XT version.

 

[hftvhftv]

A B450 motherboard is in no way a bad buy. It only got replaced by the B550 this summer, you still mostly can’t even find the B550 in stock yet. You can do practically everything you need to do with a B450, there’s very little that it doesn’t support that a X470 or X570 does support. For the majority of gamers a B450 or B550 is absolutely fine.

Ryzen CPUs don’t need 3rd party coolers.

And sure you can go for whatever SSD/HDD configuration you want but that’s kind of the point, you can choose what you like in a gaming PC.

You don’t have to spend $1000 to have a very good gaming PC, you can also spend $3000 if you prefer. However, this is all semantics at this point. Nobody is arguing that an iMac isn’t good for games, nobody is arguing that OP shouldn’t get a new iMac. It does seem like anybody having the gall to recommend something other than an Apple computer for gaming has hit a few nerves though.

We can discuss the merits of X part vs Y part all day but it isn’t adding to the discussion in this thread.

If someone buys an iMac for the purpose of gaming they're buying the wrong computer.

 

[ZBoater]

If someone buys an iMac for the purpose of gaming they're buying the wrong computer.

Well, this iMac games very well, especially if you boot into Windows. All the benchmarks look very impressive. While your comment holds true for most Macs, I believe this iMac to be an exception.

 

[pldelisle]

Well, this iMac games very well, especially if you boot into Windows. All the benchmarks look very impressive. While your comment holds true for most Macs, I believe this iMac to be an exception.

5700XT is only a mid range GPU.

A "real" gaming PC might have in it a RTX 2080 Super or RTX 2080 Ti, which are far more powerful than this 5700XT, even if it has "16GB" of VRAM.

 

[ZBoater]

5700XT is only a mid range GPU.

A "real" gaming PC might have in it a RTX 2080 Super or RTX 2080 Ti, which are far more powerful than this 5700XT, even if it has "16GB" of VRAM.

Ok. Well, I needed a Mac and I need to game. This iMac can do both. It may not be real to you, but it sure as heck is real to me.

No, I am not going to be gaming at 5K. But at half that resolution most games exceed 60 fps. What more kind of real are you expecting?

 

[pldelisle]

Ok. Well, I needed a Mac and I need to game. This iMac can do both. It may not be real to you, but it sure as heck is real to me.

No, I am not going to be gaming at 5K. But at half that resolution most games exceed 60 fps. What more kind of real are you expecting?

I don't know, I'm not a gamer at all. Last time I played a game was 15 years ago.

I just want to say there is a huge gap between a 5700XT which is a mid-range GPU and a 2080 Ti regarding gaming on big AAA titles. It has nothing to do with your personal standard.

 

[ZBoater]

I don't know, I'm not a gamer at all. Last time I played a game was 15 years ago.

I just want to say there is a huge gap between a 5700XT which is a mid-range GPU and a 2080 Ti regarding gaming on big AAA titles. It has nothing to do with your personal standard.

Call of Duty, Fortnite, MS Flight Simulator, they all seem quite playable at 1440p. COD and Fortnite were exceeding 90fps. So there may be a gap, but not enough to say the new iMac is not a gaming machine. Sure, you can build one better that maybe gets you 150fps, but it won't be a Mac. So if I can play games AND have a Mac, it is the best of both worlds.

A lot of older Macs can't achieve those numbers, so those are definitely not gaming machines. Like I said, most aren't. But this one is an exception to that rule.

 

[pldelisle]

Sure, you can build one better that maybe gets you 150fps, but it won't be a Mac

That's exactly what I say.

 

[sunman42]

Oh the 10 core and 128 ram is COMPLETELY overkill for sure. My theory is just making out the machine to last me many many years s it’s probably the last Intel iMac we are going to get and I don’t want to deal with AS right off the bat. But yes I completely agree it’s beyond overkill 😂.

Its not true 5k god no. I play at 2560x1440 right now render scale with the screen size being set to 5k but ya we’re not gaming at true 5k lol. That’s literally not possible.

Um.... I do, but I don’t do serious raiding or mythic dungeons. The combination of HDR and high resolution provides significantly better contrast than any other seti gs, and helps my geezer eyes. I can live with 45 FPS.

 

[BuCkDoG]

Um.... I do, but I don’t do serious raiding or mythic dungeons. The combination of HDR and high resolution provides significantly better contrast than any other seti gs, and helps my geezer eyes. I can live with 45 FPS.

Are you using the new iMac for WoW? If so I want to play at 5k window size and 5k render scale so basically both at 5120x2880 and all settings on low. Will this new machine work fine? My Radeon pro 580 in the 2017 iMac gets around 45 FPS in Boralus so I’m assuming this new iMac will be more than enough to drive those settings with the new hardware.

 

[Cookie18]

If someone buys an iMac for the purpose of gaming they're buying the wrong computer.

Give me a base 27” iMac and a $1000 gaming PC any day lol.

 

[mlykke]

Are you using the new iMac for WoW? If so I want to play at 5k window size and 5k render scale so basically both at 5120x2880 and all settings on low. Will this new machine work fine? My Radeon pro 580 in the 2017 iMac gets around 45 FPS in Boralus so I’m assuming this new iMac will be more than enough to drive those settings with the new hardware.

I personally don't know, but I'll be getting my iMac tomorrow and I'd be happy to test it out for you.

 

[ADGrant]

Give me a base 27” iMac and a $1000 gaming PC any day lol.

Not me. I would rather have a single machine for a couple of reasons.

1) My desk is not big enough for two monitors.

2) That $1000 buys some nice Mac upgrades that I can take advantage of when not gaming. That $1000 PC would just be taking up space most of the time. Space I don't have (see 1).

 

[iemcj]

Ok. Well, I needed a Mac and I need to game. This iMac can do both. It may not be real to you, but it sure as heck is real to me.

No, I am not going to be gaming at 5K. But at half that resolution most games exceed 60 fps. What more kind of real are you expecting?

Honestly man, an xbox 1x will game better. It's able to play Warzone at 60fps and stay right at 4k for almost the entire time. And the ps5 and series x coming this fall will SMASH this and they're going to only be like 500ish bucks.

So if you have other needs for the 5700xt then absolutely you do you my friend. Just pointing out for that upgrade price, you can literally get an entire game console and controller AND get a better experience at a higher resolution AND you don't have to play with the PC community which cheats a lot.