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10 Cutting Edge Features to Expect From Apple's Upcoming AR/VR Headset

Alex Cai said:
The Oculus quest 2 was too heavy and the display was too bright, so I felt dizzy after 20min of use
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You do realize you can turn the Quest 2''s brightness down, right??? 🤦‍♂️

And if you're motion sick prone with brightness being a primary trigger, Apple's headset will only be SIGNIFICANTLY WORSE for you! Not better!

Micro OLEDs + pancake lenses will require CRAZY HIGH display brightness output for a good HDR experience! (The Quest 2 hits a mere 100nits when maxed out. Apple's headset otoh will likely peak around >≈500-1000nits when viewing native HDR content! O_O)
 
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I sincerely hope Apple provides physical controllers as an option. Any sustained use of just hands/fingers alone will be extremely tiring. Controllers are a good thing. Ask any gamer!
 
Kevin2055 said:
Is 200g possible, considering iPhone 14 pro is 208g, the VR headset is much bigger, with more powerful dual-M2 chip and bigger battery?
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No... Not even close actually. Expect ≈500-800g (inc. the headstrap) for the most likely system powered by a single M2. (The dual M2 rumors are nothing but freaking delusional, tech illiterate trash).

Modern pancake lens stacks do a freaking TOOOOON for reducing VR headset size, but they do VERY LITTLE (and potentially even the exact opposite) for reducing weight!

This is exactly why neither the Pico 4 or Quest Pro, which both use cutting edge pancakes weigh less than a Quest 2. In fact, both actually weigh MORE despite being significantly smaller. 🤷‍♂️
 
Real question: will it eventually have the ability to regain vision for people with vision impairments?
Or people with hearing problems?
And how about battery life?
 
I don't really have any interest in VR, at this time. There are nice applications for VR, like Gaming and real-time remote control, which are awesome, and very useful, but also relatively niche.

I am however interested in some of the AR aspects, where you can get more info of the things you're looking at, directly in your field of view, and I think this is where someone could develop one or two killer-apps that I don't even know I want and need, yet. I take basic information apps, like face recognition (privacy issues aside), navigation, etc. is given, but I also expect something _more_.

Now, if the 1st generation is anything like the ski mask render that's going round, then I'm not even remotely interested, at any price point.

If you give me something that looks like a bit beefy horned glasses, with possibility for prescription glass (I need reading glasses/progressive glasses), and all day battery life (can charge each night, which is basically what I do with my Apple Watch and iPhone), then I could pay almost anything.

I also suspect that most of the processing - on any AR glasses like the ones I want - would be done on an iPhone and then the glasses are, basically, just an external screen for the iPhone, with built in cameras, lidar, etc, feeding back to the iPhone.
 
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Really difficult for getting excited by yet another VR headset, especially after meta already released quest pro that already has many of the rumoured features and possibly at a fraction of the cost… but most importantly actually exists already.

Personally I think that for many years we won’t have the technology or the ecosystem for most people to be interested in this market. It’s still a niche and it probably will be for the medium term.
 
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I’m curious about the headset, it is going to be interesting to see what it can do. I do hope the display is going to be better than valve index, because that was a little too low resolution for my taste.
 
Mitthrawnuruodo said:
I don't really have any interest in VR, at this time. There are nice applications for VR, like Gaming and real-time remote control, which are awesome, and very useful, but also relatively niche.

I am however interested in some of the AR aspects, where you can get more info of the things you're looking at, directly in your field of view,
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AR is definitely getting more support on this forum than VR. It is more supported by people who are more rational.

Many of VR fans who post on social media appear to be highly irrational sometimes trolling angrily and this seems to come from the fact that most VR apps are full of trolls and even bullies and sexual predators.

Thing is…what problem is AR solving?

I mean, get more information from looking at something.

If something is listed on a website it already has information posted next to it.

Something you are looking at in the street or store is almost always obvious. Things have price tags and size tags on them. There are thousands of people in public to chat to for info.

Are we becoming brainwashed by tech hype so that we become even more isolated and less social and more irrationally dependent on a device?

If so what will our mental health look like when we are old, after living our whole lives like this?

And will these wearable ski goggle devices permanently damage our faces, leaving dentation marks around our eyes? A nurse working a long shift for just one or two days already has dentition marks from a simple surgical mask. People who ski who wear actual ski goggles have half tanned faces. Imagine so many people with dented and half tanned faces. 🤷

Is all this ACTUALLY solving any problem or is it just billionaire shareholders pushing companies to look for something new to sell?

They screwed us all up with their social media apps. They filled up gaming with monetization that gamers hate. And now they move on to the next thing without fixing everything else they do.
 
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ILoveCalvinCool said:
It doesn't matter what type of technology Apple brings to the table with VR/AR if they cannot manage to start competing in the gaming space. Gaming is the killer VR app. PS5 VR will destroy Apple because there are fun things to do with it, not because the tech is necessarily better.
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Anyone who thinks gaming when they think VR is completely missing what is happening here. Think Productivity, think Collaboration, think Architecture, Education, Medicine, Visual arts, Photography, Videography, Media Consumption, Commerce, Think efficiency.

Yes, $3000 is a reasonable price for what is coming. This is not a $1600 phone or an $2,000 MacBook. It is a much more capable and broad reaching device.


Fulwild1 said:
2 M2 chips, 10 cameras, 2 4k displays. Under 200 grams which is lighter than an iPhone 14 Pro. Using the new light weight helium/hydrogen vapor battery no doubt.
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I am imagining that this is a modular weight, without a (significant) battery. The Quest Pro (which I have ordered) has its battery at the back of the headband. The face shields are removable and are not included in the stated weight so the actual fully equipped weight will be more. It has a battery which lasts 1 to 2 hours. Short, but even so, the battery is a lot of the total weight. The unit comes with a 6 foot USBC dongle so you can work while plugged in. At a desk that is a minor concern.

I wonder if Apple has a small battery or no battery on board for this weight, leaning towards a plug in scenario for seated work and then including or selling battery packs which can be hot swapped. Aside from that, this would be a spectacular weight, but, hey, Apple does have magic.

In any event, I am stoked to see this product and will be hitting buy at the first opportunity!
 
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Mitthrawnuruodo said:
I also suspect that most of the processing - on any AR glasses like the ones I want - would be done on an iPhone and then the glasses are, basically, just an external screen for the iPhone, with built in cameras, lidar, etc, feeding back to the iPhone.
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I'm pretty confident you are right.
It's a bit daft to try and pack all the power into a headset, when you have have a much more powerful phone doing the heavy work and using the headset as an external display.
 
Kevin2055 said:
Is 200g possible, considering iPhone 14 pro is 208g, the VR headset is much bigger, with more powerful dual-M2 chip and bigger battery?
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I imagine there's plenty of open volume in the thing. They have to leave room for the optical spaces.
 
Piggie said:
I'm pretty confident you are right.
It's a bit daft to try and pack all the power into a headset, when you have have a much more powerful phone doing the heavy work and using the headset as an external display.
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Much more powerful phone? These devices will dwarf the capabilities and requirements of phone processing. Think MBP fully loaded.
 
With all of the biometric limitations here in Illinois, (you still cannot purchase the latest generation of Sony Aibo dog because of this), what will all those sensors and authentication processes do?
 
KaliYoni said:
And that image is the better of the two mockups MR has been using to illustrate its articles!!! Yikes.

(both are here)
www.macrumors.com

Apple Vision Pro: Should You Buy? Reviews, Features, and Price

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I posted my own interpretation of the rumours almost a year ago:
 
I will buy it if the only feature it has is to be able to watch movies on it that I’m watching on my other devices!
 
macsplusmacs said:
Very much looking forward to seeing what Apple can pull out of their (Augmented) hat for this.

I will be there on day one.
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You and so many others were making fun of VR and now that it’s around the corner coming from apple you change your tune?

What do they call this?
 
8KYUP said:
Anyone who thinks gaming when they think VR is completely missing what is happening here. Think Productivity, think Collaboration, think Architecture, Education, Medicine, Visual arts, Photography, Videography, Media Consumption, Commerce, Think efficiency.

Yes, $3000 is a reasonable price for what is coming. This is not a $1600 phone or an $2,000 MacBook. It is a much more capable and broad reaching device.




I am imagining that this is a modular weight, without a (significant) battery. The Quest Pro (which I have ordered) has its battery at the back of the headband. The face shields are removable and are not included in the stated weight so the actual fully equipped weight will be more. It has a battery which lasts 1 to 2 hours. Short, but even so, the battery is a lot of the total weight. The unit comes with a 6 foot USBC dongle so you can work while plugged in. At a desk that is a minor concern.

I wonder if Apple has a small battery or no battery on board for this weight, leaning towards a plug in scenario for seated work and then including or selling battery packs which can be hot swapped. Aside from that, this would be a spectacular weight, but, hey, Apple does have magic.

In any event, I am stoked to see this product and will be hitting buy at the first opportunity!
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Agreed. I look at the render and think “where is the battery?”. I think you’re right about Apple using tethered battery packs or, possibly, plugging the HMD into your iPhone/iPad for battery power and/or additional processing.
 
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