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It's very strange one of the only benefits to the 'box' form factor is that it can easily accommodate an ethernet port. So they put a new model out without one..

You have a good point but what I was getting at was length & width of a 2016 iPhone SE but at a height tall enough to accommodate a full size GbE port. The extra space could be used for an internal 5-10W PSU?

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Can somebody tell me the point of the Apple TV? Genuine question.

We have a smart TV and it's just simpler to use its own apps for things like Netflix or Amazon Prime, rather than mess around switching HDMI input and booting-up the Apple TV (which we do have, albeit an older one).

If I want to watch Apple TV shows then I do so on my phone, or MacBook.

Just about the only reason I've ever seen anybody use an Apple TV is for beaming photos onto the big TV screen. But that's not exactly an everyday thing.
Mostly because the AppleTV doesn’t monitor everything you watch, and I can disable Wi-Fi on my tv so it can’t sell my info. Apps are updated more frequently vs the built in on a tv. Airplay is more reliable. iPhone has handy remote for it already built in. UI doesn’t suck like my LG tv does. HomeKit support is there so I can watch my cameras right on my tv.
 
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You have a good point but what I was getting at was length & width of a 2016 iPhone SE but at a height tall enough to accommodate a full size GbE port. The extra space could be used for an internal 5-10W PSU?

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Oh no question it is huge by the standards of modern streaming devices, awkward if you wall mount your TV
 
If I already have a Mac mini connected to my TV - what can I gain with an Apple TV device?
The macOS TV app can stream up to 4K.
Is there really anything superior in Apple TV device except the remote may be?
 
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  • Lower pricing: The new Apple TV starts at $129 with 64GB of storage, while the previous model started at $179 with 32GB of storage. While you need to spend $149 to get an Ethernet port, Thread support, and 128GB of storage, that's still cheaper than any of last year's models.
Come on Amazon Canada, time to update your prices:

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I prefer to have all of my content available on a single TV input, and the Apple TV provides that. I haven't switched inputs in years, because the Apple TV provides all this:
• Apple TV+
• iTunes Movies & TV Shows
• Netflix
• Amazon
• Disney
• Hulu
• Paramount+
• Local cable channels using HDHomeRun Prime
• Content stored on my Mac Server
• High-res arial screensavers

Plus you get home automation features:
• HomeKit hub
• HomeKit camera support (so I can see who is at the front door)
• HomeKit Secure Video storage and processing
• Siri remote
• Thread support

Not that I disagree but this looks like a PowerPoint slide LOL
 
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Wasn’t HDR10+ included in tvOS 16 for all Apple TVs that support the OS?
I haven't seen it in 16 yet but I've heard that it's not going to be specific to the new model so I assume it's coming in an update and at least the 2021 model will get it too and hopefully the 2017. I have one of each and a new one coming but the 2017 is currently on the Samsung.
 
If I already have a Mac mini connected to my TV - what can I gain with an Apple TV device?
The macOS TV app can stream up to 4K.
Is there really anything superior in Apple TV device except the remote may be?
You may have an easier time streaming 4K content. I know that has been a limitation on some web streaming services. But not all limit 4K to dedicated hardware. So your mileage may vary.

As far as Apple TV on the MacMini well that depends on the model. The older ones definitely could not stream 4K from the Apple TV app. Mostly due to DRM restrictions. But I have no idea if the new ones overcame this limitation or not.
 
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One of my biggest peeves from last year was buying a brand-new Magic Keyboard with Touch ID and matching trackpad, and they STILL have Lightning charge ports. This really pissed me off, especially when I have another mouse that has a USB port for charging. I now have to keep a USB-C port and a lightning cable floating around my desk for when I need to charge.

The fact that the TV remote now has USB-C is a positive sign that maybe Apple is eventually going to retire Lightning.
 
I mean glad it got refreshed, but thats all this was. Even with having to pay more for ethernet, it's still cheaper then it was. This is a good thing. Don't know what anyone else expected. I also don't see point of storage on the Apple other then games maybe....who games on these things anyway?
I see two possibilities for the extra storage: (1) they're doing it in anticipation of some new software that will benefit from the storage (don't know what, could be games, could be caching whole movies onboard before playing, or could be some new thing related to AR or some such), and/or (2) chips have progressed to where it's cheaper to get the 128 GB chips - or more likely, they still want two storage tiers and their previous was 32/64, and now it's getting harder to get the chips for 32 GB, so they moved to 64/128. I feel like I've seen other non-Apple devices in the past where smaller storage sizes went away simply because the chip factories weren't interested in producing that size of chip any more (presumably because larger ones are more lucrative).
 
I mean glad it got refreshed, but thats all this was. Even with having to pay more for ethernet, it's still cheaper then it was. This is a good thing. Don't know what anyone else expected. I also don't see point of storage on the Apple other then games maybe....who games on these things anyway?
It’s a better price for sure. However, most of us think it ought to start at $99. Also, 120Hz was expected and that’s a big miss for the OLED crowd. Other than that, my kids game on ours …
 
The fact that the TV remote now has USB-C is a positive sign that maybe Apple is eventually going to retire Lightning.
Apple has always had a plan to retire Lightning, it's all a question of timing. When they first released it, they stated pretty strongly that, the 30-pin connector (with many pin reassignments and trickery/reconfiguration along the way) had lasted them 10 years, and now they had designed a new connector (Lightning) that was intended to last them another 10 years (with things like a smaller number of pins, but a protocol negotiation at each plug-in over how those pins would be assigned/used). And that 10 years is basically up now.

I don't think USB-C is a terrific replacement for Lightning - it's faster, sure, but it's only a few years newer, not ten years newer, and the connector itself is less robust, and the connector is used for too many different things (several revisions of USB 3, plus Thunderbolt, plus Power Delivery or not, and in the early days there were some cables that were actually dangerous to connect to some devices, even though they all used the same connector) - none of those incompatibilities ever happened with Lightning. But I think USB-C is a decent replacement for Lightning, mostly because it's way faster, can handle more power, and it's ubiquitous. I still think it's possible the next iPhone may drop the physical port and go entirely wireless - I suspect Apple may have gotten there on their own in a couple years anyway, with their hand now forced by the EU. If they do that (go wireless), I hope the iPhone ends up with an auxiliary connector like the SmartConnector on the iPads (a small row of copper pads with a magnet) - not as the primary charging interface, but as a way for restoring phones, developer use, and such.
 
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I prefer to have all of my content available on a single TV input, and the Apple TV provides that. I haven't switched inputs in years, because the Apple TV provides all this:
• Apple TV+
• iTunes Movies & TV Shows
• Netflix
• Amazon
• Disney
• Hulu
• Paramount+
• Local cable channels using HDHomeRun Prime
• Content stored on my Mac Server
• High-res arial screensavers

Plus you get home automation features:
• HomeKit hub
• HomeKit camera support (so I can see who is at the front door)
• HomeKit Secure Video storage and processing
• Siri remote
• Thread support
Agreed. Also love HDHomeRun.

And in addition to those benefits, many smaller streaming apps or country specific apps take ages to come out with a smart tv version (especially for non-google tvOS). Whereas they’re mostly guaranteed to be available on apple tvOS from the get go.
 
If it had a NextGen OTA tuner in it, it might be more useful considering the big changes in the TV industry. Live TV isn't dead or else Amazon wouldn't be interested in it too. But Apple loves its closed systems
See HDHomeRun hardware. I watch and record local over the air and cable TV with AppleTVs every day. Instead of just one tuner, add as many as you need.

I have 7 tuners working with AppleTV, so that every TV can have a live stream with a few more for recording other stuff too.
 
If it had a NextGen OTA tuner in it, it might be more useful considering the big changes in the TV industry. Live TV isn't dead or else Amazon wouldn't be interested in it too. But Apple loves its closed systems
I agree. Maybe the thought of different models for different regions which uses different OTA standards is too much hassle for Apple. 🤷🏻‍♂️

I personally use HDHomeRun paired with the Channels app as a work around. Been working quite well for me.
 
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Wow! 10 changes! It functions not any different that my Apple TV HD I bought at release in 2015. In fact since 2015 very little has changed. Apple has done virtually nothing with the Apple TV for 7 years (they didn't even change the price for 7 years). Tim cook is happy selling Apple TV selling at high price and it being an avenue for subscriptions. Thats as far as his vision goes for Apple TV.
 
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Can somebody tell me the point of the Apple TV? Genuine question.

We have a smart TV and it's just simpler to use its own apps for things like Netflix or Amazon Prime, rather than mess around switching HDMI input and booting-up the Apple TV (which we do have, albeit an older one).

If I want to watch Apple TV shows then I do so on my phone, or MacBook.

Just about the only reason I've ever seen anybody use an Apple TV is for beaming photos onto the big TV screen. But that's not exactly an everyday thing.
Honestly you have to own one to appreciate. Namely it’s the remote and handoff and control features. Siri works on AirPods and HomePods and can turn it and your tv on/off if connected to a ARC HDMI. Also via voice can mute, pause, turn on closed captioning, and more. And of course you can customize apps, which you want and don’t want via App Store. Not stuck with what a tv manufacture bakes into a much slower UI. Hope that helps some. Apple needs to do better marketing it IMO
 
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When I bought mine, I had a 10 year-old 1080p Samsung TV which was perfectly good picture-wise but didn't support the latest streaming apps. Adding a streaming box to add those features made sense. Apple TV vs. cheaper Amazon Fire, Roku etc. is another question, but that's the usual "Apple is somewhat nicer if you don't mind paying the tax" argument,

Since then, I've upgraded to a substantially larger 4k TV (which also involved a major room re-arrangement) and, yes, it can do most things itself (including Airplay) so I probably wouldn't buy one today.

I'm running MrMC (the App Store friendly Kodi fork) on the ATV, which isn't available for my TV, but Plex is supported on a lot of Smart TVs which would be a viable alternative.

The one not-available-elsewhere feature is the "computers" app that lets you play media from Music etc. on a Mac - which is probably the best implementation if that's what you want to do - but you can always stream from a Mac to any Airplay device.
Same for us. When we got the first 4K one, anything else we tried was laggy. Then when we moved to a bigger place, the ATV was still working well, so we got another TV and the 2nd 4k ATV. The TV was Roku and wasn't too laggy, but ATV was still better. That one died and we got a FireTV actual TV with the warranty check. Seems good but we already have the ATV. If an ATV dies, we might try using the FireTV.
 
The new Apple TV should have stared with a price point of $99 with 64GB of storage. What's up with the $129 price point! Seems out of place.
Just like the iPad 10 starting at $449 is out of place, but that’s just how Tim rolls. I guess we should be grateful it doesn’t start at $149? Okay honestly I don’t think $129 is bad and with coming discounts, it should be even better.
 
Can somebody tell me the point of the Apple TV? Genuine question.

We have a smart TV and it's just simpler to use its own apps for things like Netflix or Amazon Prime, rather than mess around switching HDMI input and booting-up the Apple TV (which we do have, albeit an older one).

If I want to watch Apple TV shows then I do so on my phone, or MacBook.

Just about the only reason I've ever seen anybody use an Apple TV is for beaming photos onto the big TV screen. But that's not exactly an everyday thing.
The interface is WAY better and faster than any of my Smart LG and Samsung TV, whole family uses and loves
 
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