u forgot, charge daily!
and if you're travelling and forget to bring along the charger on your nightstand, you're screwed, then you're wearing a dark device on your wrist.
"What's the time Sir" - "...uhhmmm... I forgot to charge it last night"
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10% of Consumers 'Very Likely' to Buy a Smartwatch in 2015, Suggesting 24M Apple Watches
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u forgot, charge daily!
and if you're travelling and forget to bring along the charger on your nightstand, you're screwed, then you're wearing a dark device on your wrist.
"What's the time Sir" - "...uhhmmm... I forgot to charge it last night"
The difference between this product and the iPhone is so substantial. Think about it, before the iPhone, a real Internet browser on a phone didn't really exist. It was the baby Internet, as Steve Jobs put it. That alone was such a transformational event, it made the iPhone, let alone all of the other features it had (touch screen interface, visual voicemail, email capabilities, list goes on and on and on). I'm still waiting to hear what exactly this product even does. It provides a notification on your wrist? Big deal. Let's be real for a second, I think everyone thought when they heard Apple was making a watch that it must do something that we haven't even thought of yet. It must have some capability that makes such a device worthwhile for the masses. This product does not have that. It is the best smart watch in its class, no question. But it didn't redefine the category, and that really was the only way this product would come even close to becoming anything like the iPhone. Until that happens, some transformational feature, this thing is gonna be a a struggle, and won't sell.
What respectable person who doesn't currently wear a watch will start wearing a smart watch that is like all the other smart watches just because it is made by Apple? Answer, not many, no matter what anyone says.
Reasons i'll be waiting for Second or Third Gen:
Poor battery (albeit not apple specific - everyone suffers here)
Too tied to the iPhone (i want it to communicate with my iPhone, but i also need it to work independently in far more situations than i can now - GPS anyone? Again likely battery related)
Too thick (probably linked in with poor battery tech again)
Too few health sensors (I'm being kind here... I was really getting excited about the health elements, but all it does is measure heart beat. There are lots more things it could do and looking at Health Kit i suspect the software designers thought it would do more too, but somewhere along the line they either rushed it or just could put anymore in for technical reasons).
Basically, the theme here is they need to sort the battery out, everything will then fall into place, and then i'm in
Poor battery (albeit not apple specific - everyone suffers here)
Too tied to the iPhone (i want it to communicate with my iPhone, but i also need it to work independently in far more situations than i can now - GPS anyone? Again likely battery related)
Too thick (probably linked in with poor battery tech again)
Too few health sensors (I'm being kind here... I was really getting excited about the health elements, but all it does is measure heart beat. There are lots more things it could do and looking at Health Kit i suspect the software designers thought it would do more too, but somewhere along the line they either rushed it or just could put anymore in for technical reasons).
Basically, the theme here is they need to sort the battery out, everything will then fall into place, and then i'm in
Enjoy your so called knowledge. It will get you far I'm sure.
It seems you know very little too. I would love to see your proof that non invasive blood glucose monitoring is coming with 5 years. Good luck
Fitness bands that do far less, and are essentially rubber bands around your wrist, go for $100 and those are already selling in the millions.
Apple Watch not only does far more, based on reports from the lucky few who've seen it in person, it's a thing of beauty with a fit and finish that's unmatched. Heck, for people who can afford it, just the convenience factor alone is worth $350. Add to that the novelty factor and I'd be shocked if Apple didn't sell 20+ million watches next year.
I'm willing to bet most of the ones sold will be sitting in a dark drawer within a couple of months when people get sick of charging this useless overpriced device.
Thanks. There is always a know it all who actually know very little. It always amazes me how arrogant people act on bulletin boards.
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Not at all, I'm the first one to criticize Tim Cock, but the man is a supply chain master, he will make sure the supply chain is running effectively and efficiently....
So much so that I think he will hold back on cutting edge tech to appease the supply chain....
I'm sure that Apple will willingly sell you another charging stand for a price.
(this, from an owner of about 385,234 lightning cables. OK, it's about 9 or 10, but it feels close to the first number.)
Dude,
You might want to read stuff here:
https://macrumors.zendesk.com/hc/en-us/articles/201265337-Forum-Rules
especially the part:
This isn't a "my knowledge is greater than yours" place (I'm saying that because you have "newbie" by your name, so I'm assuming that you're new here), but a "let's share knowledge and be smarter together place."
You may know a lot about transdermal CGM (Is that what it's called?) and are covered by an NDA, but if that's true, just repeat what's on the company website on the matter, but calling others ignorant just seems a bit harsh, especially without verifiable evidence.
Really, I liked your first post, as it was exciting to imagine all that this could do, but your later responses, when challenged, appear a bit too defensive to the reader, and maybe a softer response, and if you're right, hey! you're right. If you're seeing a different perspective that modifies your own, then you've learned something.
Win-win.
If Apple can greatly improve upon the Apple Watch design, I might consider getting one. It also needs to prove that it can hold its value. Maybe by 3rd gen??
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Sorry, don't agree. I don't see any convenience factor with this watch. It's nothing but a glorified pedometer.
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Sorry, don't agree. I don't see any convenience factor with this watch. It's nothing but a glorified pedometer.
Right, because you need to charge it daily if you only use it as a watch... Obviously Apple doesn't know how to make a digital watch and never will... (sic). BTW, used as a watch and nothing else, it can probably last 14 days and more.
How do I know this?
Well... The:
- Volume of the Ipod Nano
77 * 40 * 5.4 = 16662
- Volume of the small watch
13170 (38*33*10.5) + 1206 = 15176
- Volume of the big watch
15880 (42*36*10.5) + 1700 = 17500
I separated the volume of the bottom part since it probably cannot be used for battery space.
The big watch has just about the same volume as the Ipod Nano (or 5-6% less if removing the podium part), which doesn't benefit from a lower power Amoled screen, a newer SOC on a newer process, more efficient bluetooth chip and less memory (less power usage). A lower power SOC can easily reduce non screen power usage by 100% from the nano.
You know how long the nano lasts:
10 hours playing music on bluetooth. (amended from earlier which was wired). (wired is 33h)
3.5h playing videos
4h playing photo slideshow
So, basically, this large watch should easily play music, serve as a watch and collect sensor info (with the motion processor) for nearly 1 whole day over bluetooth considering improvement in comm efficiency. (not a typical usage...)
For other functions, notifications, they're not on the whole taking much more processing power than playing music over bluetooth.
The main issue is the screen, with a lcd screen 4h of use would be the max. With dark or mixed background, the Amoled probably takes 50-80% less power on average than the LCD screen (Web browsing/reading books tends to be whiter). So, it would be possible for the big watch to last 8-12h with an Amoled screen if used constantly on mostly dark to mixed background.
A Normal day is 16h and nobody is interacting with their watch 8h a day... (at least hope so...).
Looking at a realistic intense use of notifications/response rate of 160/day with 1.5 minutes (some much longer, some very short) on average, you get 240 minutes of screen time (4h of screen time). That seems a crazy, spending 4h interacting with your watch... But, hey we are looking at extreme use here.
That means for those people, the big Apple watch should be able to play music 5-7h and handle intensie notifications/replies (160 for 4h a day) and sensor data collection if there has been no improvement in the SOC or com chips in the 2.5 years since the Nano.
Even the smaller watch should accomplish this feat, looking at the nano specs and process and screen improvements.
Of course, if you use it less, and most people will not have 160 notifications of play 5h+ plus of music per day. If you don't play music at all you'd get 2 days easy.
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I guess we're going to find out how many watches Apple will sell. But I can tell you that THIS respectable person who doesn't currently wear a watch is seriously considering the Apple Watch.
What level of sales would it take for you to consider it a success? I assume that beating the number of iPhones sold in the first year would qualify, since you believe that the iPhone was an obvious success from the start.
This article suggests that Apple will sell 24 million of them in 2015. Even if the number is only half that high, it will be more than the number of iPhones sold in the first year (and I was one of those who bought the first iPhone).
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If the pedometer is the ONLY function you use on the Apple watch then you're right. If you use it for other functions, then you're wrong.
You buying the first generation of every Apple product doesn't equate to him being wrong though.
Totally understand. That guy said 'maybe you should quiet down' which seems to fall under that exact thing you highlighted too. https://forums.macrumors.com/posts/20432023/
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I literally never said anything about 5 years. In my first post I made it clear I was referring to things in the now, and the future, including when I talked about 20-30 years in the future, although I don't think non-invasive glucose monitoring is that far out. The only thing I mentioned was that there is proof that people are working on that, and I specifically read the article on this site which talked about Apple having hired one of the lead researchers in that area. Anyway, none of that matters, my original post was just an attempt to describe some possible great features for the watch. You don't get the watch or why it's being made, as you said, and I was trying to give some examples.
Because we know that your estimate is binding, and the last word on this... Thanks for playing. Now, put money on it in the stock market; someone so sure about things should also know when Iphone and Ipad stop selling and Apple goes bankrupt.. Easy Peasy for someone with your insight.
10% of people getting a smart watch in 2015 I can believe. I starting to see them more and more. I expect the break down is going to be a lot like how phones break down. iOS users tending to Apple, android to Google and Ms to Ms.
I expect in terms of market share android will be first, iOS second and Microsoft 3rd.
What will hurt apple watch is the fact it only plays nice with iOS which the others work across platforms.
My manager at work as a moto 360 and finding himself liking it more and more. I personally think I will wait another year for 3rd generation. As android smart watches are in the 2nd generation so it is still relatively new. It has my attention but I still think the market has a ways to figure itself out.
I expect in terms of market share android will be first, iOS second and Microsoft 3rd.
What will hurt apple watch is the fact it only plays nice with iOS which the others work across platforms.
My manager at work as a moto 360 and finding himself liking it more and more. I personally think I will wait another year for 3rd generation. As android smart watches are in the 2nd generation so it is still relatively new. It has my attention but I still think the market has a ways to figure itself out.
Couple points.
First, you conveniently glossed over my central argument, that there is nothing revolutionary or extraordinary about the Apple Watch at all. Mighty you be able to tell me exactly what Apple has done here? Seems to me they made a really nice produce in a niche market, but didn't expand the category. I'm sorry, but flirting vibrations is not my idea of revolutionary technology. I think we can all agree that we expected more, right? No one really thought, myself included, that Apple would create such a product unless they had come up with some sort of substantial advancement in the category. That did not happen here. Instead we are left with a heavily "marketed" subpar product. Not to say that the build quality won't be spectacular, it probably will be. Apple doesn't release low quality products, ever. The limitations are there category itself, and as of now they are severe.
Second, the iPhone was too expensive when it first came out. Apple lowered the price pretty quickly after launch, right? Maybe we will see a repeat here, who knows. Anyone who thinks that this product, however, contains the same substantial technological leaps as the original iPhone is delusional, and I would like them to tell me what they are.
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Your comment would be one of these that people would be laughing at, in a few years to come. Congratulations
You can read about what Apple has said about the Apple watch on their website. I won't tell you anything you don't probably already know. It's not up to me to convince you. I am leaning toward purchasing one, for my own reasons, and because I think it will be useful for me. If I told you my reasons, and what I like about the watch, you'd tell me that my reasons weren't good enough for you, which is fine. For you.
Every new product that Apple releases is a disappointment to some. I mean, your favorite Apple product, ever was a disappointment, and didn't measure up. In the eyes of the nay-sayers, you were and are a fool for falling for Apple's hype. How does that make you feel, to be a devoted fan of something that others find subpar?
Well, that's how the Apple Watch is going to be. Some will like it. Perhaps many will. And your disapproval will mean nothing to them.
We're having a discussion here, right? I think we both agree that the iWatch is at least, a tad disappointing, at least at this point in time.. I think we both expected a bit more out of Apple's next big thing. The fact that it is almost like all the others is a little...underwhelming? Tim Cook's announcement of the device itself was even a little odd. Coming out with your hands raised, it was strange, that's all. The iPhone sold itself. No hype needed. All Steve Jobs did was explain the features of the device.
In regards to your last point, I guess what your saying is that Android lovers consider the iPhone overrated..? I think that is what your implying. That really has nothing to do with how revolutionary the iPhone was when it was announced. And I think most "objective" observers would agree that the iPhone is "at least" as good as any other smart phone on the market, and they were the first to get there. But again, your comparing the two again. The watch with the iPhone. I'm saying they are not comparable, and you aren't giving me any reasons why I'm wrong.