Completely agree. The second you get the passcode, both Touch and Face ID are completely useless. They would need to figure out a way to unlock the phone without needing to fall back on a passcode in order to make it very secure.
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Completely agree. The second you get the passcode, both Touch and Face ID are completely useless. They would need to figure out a way to unlock the phone without needing to fall back on a passcode in order to make it very secure.
That is stupid.
I will only believe if they setup the Face ID in the video, without cuts.
I will only believe if they setup the Face ID in the video, without cuts.
Have you seen anyone or actual reports of someone hacking touch ID like this? No. FaceID many already have come out, and more will happen. Fact is it is less secure given what has happened so far.
Imagine how much better the 2nd and 3rd generation will be in a year or two after shelling out $1000 a week ago? ROFL!!! That should make people feel really good.
Amazed at how easily pleased some people are with some of Apples offerings. I've no idea how they manage it at all, imagine people saying "Yeah the Note 7 wasn't great but imagine when Sammy gets a version of this out of the door that doesn't torch cars
"Obviously features and functionality improve over time but that doesn't excuse them not being serviceable (not saying FaceID has proven not to be btw) in the first iteration. People aren't paying $1000 to QA test hardware for Apple.
Nope, it's not. Just another gimmick. They have run out of actual advancements that made the iPhone special, now they are reduced to cheap parlor tricks and competitors years old technology to appease their loyal fans.
With Touch ID you can train it to unlock using 2 fingers (i.e. your index and middle finger), under a single finger profile. I have been doing this since the 5S was released, and it still works today.
I strongly suspect that people are training FaceID to accept 2 different people, in a somewhat similar way either by accident, or in some cases, intentionally.
Maybe Face ID is more secure than Touch ID. But how many people had security issues with Touch ID? How many people had their phones hacked when using a password? I’m guessing it was a non issue. IMO, what Touch ID brought was making the phone unlock quicker and easier than using a password. The phone could be unlocked before you pulled it out of your pocket.
Why would he need to enter the passcode if he unlocked it on his 3rd attempt. His 6th attempt wouldn't trigger a passcode since the counter would reset after he unlocked the phone the first time (3rd attempt).
Now I know how unbelievable this may sound, but my 5 year old can unlock my phone. Not every single time, but out of 10 times he will unlock my phone 4 our least.
Yes we look very similar. He looks like I did when I was 5. Only thing is I’m not 5 years old I’m 35. I’m not going to post pictures of myself or my 5 year old on the internet, but the fact that he is 5 and can even unlock my phone is pretty amazing.
Yes we look very similar. He looks like I did when I was 5. Only thing is I’m not 5 years old I’m 35. I’m not going to post pictures of myself or my 5 year old on the internet, but the fact that he is 5 and can even unlock my phone is pretty amazing.
How does that make any sense? Isn’t your face scanned with infrared light from the phone itself?
Nope. "Your face is wrong"!
[doublepost=1510710635][/doublepost]The koolaid with the mix of notch is pretty strong.
This is just a theory!
So unlike many of the short YouTube videos claiming that FaceID is insecure and flawed, I will show a front to back example of a TouchID issue that could be somewhat related to FaceID learning 2 faces under one profile.
First off, this is NOT an official MacRumors video, I am just a member that volunteers to moderate, and this channel is only used for my posts on MacRumors.
It is my belief (granted with no proof) that FaceID is being trained similarly to my example, due to it's apparent attempt to learn a rejected face after a password is entered.
Essentially, it is my feeling that faces of siblings and relatives are being programmed in by this learning feature. While different technology on the front side, I have demonstrated that the secure Enclave can be trained to accept 2 different biometric inputs (two different fingers) under one profile.
The TouchID secure enclave could learn two different fingers as one, and if FaceID shares any of that machine learning algorithm , I don't think it is a stretch to think that many of these FaceID "family hacks" are the result of accidental (and sometimes intentional) programming.
Be curious to see if we ever get any acknowledgment from Apple on this though, as all of this silence is doing little to keep people confident in this tech.
Take what I posted with a grain of salt, it is only my opinion on FaceID, but I have done this hack with TouchID for years now on my 5S.
So unlike many of the short YouTube videos claiming that FaceID is insecure and flawed, I will show a front to back example of a TouchID issue that could be somewhat related to FaceID learning 2 faces under one profile.
First off, this is NOT an official MacRumors video, I am just a member that volunteers to moderate, and this channel is only used for my posts on MacRumors.
It is my belief (granted with no proof) that FaceID is being trained similarly to my example, due to it's apparent attempt to learn a rejected face after a password is entered.
Apple said:
Essentially, it is my feeling that faces of siblings and relatives are being programmed in by this learning feature. While different technology on the front side, I have demonstrated that the secure Enclave can be trained to accept 2 different biometric inputs (two different fingers) under one profile.
The TouchID secure enclave could learn two different fingers as one, and if FaceID shares any of that machine learning algorithm , I don't think it is a stretch to think that many of these FaceID "family hacks" are the result of accidental (and sometimes intentional) programming.
Be curious to see if we ever get any acknowledgment from Apple on this though, as all of this silence is doing little to keep people confident in this tech.
Take what I posted with a grain of salt, it is only my opinion on FaceID, but I have done this hack with TouchID for years now on my 5S.
With TouchID gone from the X, I don't see it returning. FaceID serves the purpose for 99% of users. Apple isn't going to inconvenience all of them by adding a 2nd requirement for authentication just for the less than 1% who need additional security. Remember that Apple makes phones for the masses, not the special cases.
This is an interesting twist. Even though FaceID is one in a million accuracy, it sounds like those one in a million people are pretty likely to be your relatives. My goal is to protect the phone from strangers, but I can see how this would be a problem for parents.
For a portable device, the inconvenience of a long password is asinine. FACE ID is better than Touch ID. Samsung sufferers will have to wait 1-2 years before they get a copy of it.
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Unless I see more evidence, I'm not convinced. Like others say, Face ID can be trained. If you're failing and then punching in the PIN every time it fails, it's going to start learning. Now I know the article said that in the mother-son case, they didn't do that. But, we don't know this for sure.
As much as you guys put down on Samsung's iris scanner and fingerprint reader....all i can do is just laugh Everyone is hacking Face ID.......only took a week
Everyone is hacking Face ID.......only took a week
No light would be better, no noise.
I had to implement an IR sensor into a microcontroller design to use an IR remote. I didn't have the infrared noise rejection algorithm compiled into source yet and took it into a classroom, the IR from the fluorescent lighting made it go ******* crazy.
Yeah - so this is in more reference to, probably, most homes in the country, the world possibly. Where there is the same old key hole lock. Maybe a deadbolt into a soft, thin piece of wood.
Essentially a a swift kick in the right spot and someone is in with access to everything you own.
What stops someone from breaking in to my car which is infinitely more expensive than my phone, a piece of glass.
THE point being people everywhere talking about the security of a phone when a lot of the time, the place they live, sleep, keep their life, they seem to be less worried about at the moment.