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This post makes the most sense and I’m guessing #2 is what happened with this woman and her son. If someone knows your passcode who cares about Face ID at that point?I mentioned the same thing in a recent post, that there are - and just simplifying this for this discussion - 3 behaviors:
1) FaceID returns a no match, and the match difference is outside of a specific threshold, user can enter passcode, enrolled facial data (i.e., mathematical representation) is not affected.
2) FaceID returns a no match, however, the difference is within a specific threshold (some combination of ongoing ML + "facial logic" [all that data analysis by Apple]) and when the user enters the passcode, the enrolled facial data is updated.
3) FaceID is a clear, positive match, the white paper indicates is still performs some difference comp vs. the enrolled FID data.
So it's #2 where there's a potential for the facial data to get, let's say "contaminated", with other face data. A few thoughts:
- The data is only updated within the threshold, which I'd imagine is a pretty tight tolerance
- The passcode also has to be known (this isn't really an attack vector, why bother to hack FID if you know the passcode <wink>)
- The threshold might tilt back to the original user as they unlock the phone over time (i.e., there's a repeated set of data that helps to make it more or less reinforced as valid)
You essentially did the FaceID equivalent of what I trained TouchID to do inside the video in this post.I have managed to scan 2 faces.
Did take about 7 or 8 tries until it worked, but at the end both were able to unlock the device in some cases.
Was that working reliable? No.
Was it working good enough to make a video after a few fails? Sure.
With TouchID gone from the X, I don't see it returning. FaceID serves the purpose for 99% of users. Apple isn't going to inconvenience all of them by adding a 2nd requirement for authentication just for the less than 1% who need additional security. Remember that Apple makes phones for the masses, not the special cases.
ehh...that was already debunked...even the guy who made the original video admitted it.
https://twitter.com/MelTajon/status/907054928597729281
According to Apple, the chances that a random person can unlock your phone with FaceID is about one in a million. So if an iPhone X buyer has lets say two other people in their household on average, then for every 500,000 customers there will be one where someone else in the household can unlock their phone.
But but but Apple said "The technology that enables Face ID is some of the most advanced hardware and software that we’ve ever created".If you fear for your security, FaceID AND TouchID are poor choices. Go with a very long, secure password. Quit crying.
Minor issue. Apple have confirmed that this is STRICTLY LIMITED to customers who have parents or children and no one else whatsoever.
I have an iPhone X. I know how Face ID works. It’s extrememly easy to set up.That's an unfair comment. I'm absolutely evangelistic about Apple. But I'm not going to be blind nor gloss over Apple's issues.
Yea, and if you're in that 1% I guess you would have a different view? Wait till January. This is the tip of the Face ID Iceberg.![]()
Regardless if true or not, in practical real world usuage, Face ID is not more secure than Touch ID. Facts.
If you fear for your security, FaceID AND TouchID are poor choices. Go with a very long, secure password. Quit crying.
But but but Apple said "The technology that enables Face ID is some of the most advanced hardware and software that we’ve ever created".
Stop blaming users or telling them to stop complaining when they paid $1000 or more for a device advertised to be secure enough that "You can use it to authorize purchases from the iTunes Store, App Store, iBooks Store, and payments with Apple Pay."
Before people say I made this up, these quotes are taken directly from Apple support site https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT208108
It's a good thing you ended the posts with "Facts." otherwise it seems like you're only taking Apples word for it. Since you ended with "facts" it must mean that you have some extensive, independently verifiable data proving this claim. Would you be willing to share this wealth of knowledge with the rest of us?
A new video has surfaced of a 10-year-old child unlocking his mother's iPhone X with his face even though Face ID was set up with her face.
The parents, Attaullah Malik and Sana Sherwani, said their fifth-grade son Ammar Malik simply picked up his mother's new iPhone X without permission and, to their surprise, unlocked the device with his very first glance.The younger Malik was then consistently able to unlock his mother's iPhone X, according to his parents. He was even able to unlock his father's iPhone X, but only on one attempt, which he has since been unable to replicate.
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WIRED reporter Andy Greenberg suggested that Sherwani re-register her face to see what would happen. Upon doing so, the iPhone X no longer allowed Ammar access. Interestingly, after Sherwani tried registering her face again a few hours later in the same indoor, nighttime lighting conditions in which she first set up her iPhone X, the son was able to regain access with his face.
The parents clarified that no one ever entered the iPhone X's passcode after any of the failed unlocking attempts. That's important, since when Face ID fails to recognize you beyond a certain threshold, and you immediately enter a passcode, the TrueDepth camera takes another capture to improve its reliability.
Apple explains in its Face ID security paper:Given no passcode was ever entered, we can assume that Face ID never learned and adjusted for the son's face.
The same Face ID security paper states that the probability of a false match is higher among children under the age of 13, because their distinct facial features may not have fully developed. Given the child is only 10 years old, and Apple's information, what's shown in the video isn't a surprising flaw.
Nevertheless, the video is further evidence that Face ID isn't 100 percent foolproof given just the right circumstances. If you are concerned about this, Apple merely recommends using only a passcode to authenticate.
In related news, Vietnamese security firm Bkav recently shared a video in which it was able to spoof Face ID with a mask. The video is generating headlines since Apple said Face ID uses sophisticated anti-spoofing neural networks to minimize its chances of being spoofed, including with a mask.
The mask was supposedly crafted by combining 3D printing with makeup and 2D images, with some special processing done on the cheeks and around the face. Bkav said the supplies to make it cost roughly $150.
We're skeptical about the video given the lack of accompanying details. For instance, Bkav hasn't specified whether it disabled Face ID's default "Require Attention" feature, which provides an additional layer of security by verifying that you are looking at the iPhone before authentication is granted.
Even if the video is legitimate, it's hardly something that the average person should be concerned about. The chances of someone creating such a sophisticated mask of your facial features would seem extremely slim.
Apple so far has not responded to the videos, beyond pointing reporters to its existing Face ID security paper we linked to above.
Article Link: 10-Year-Old Unlocks Face ID on His Mother's iPhone X as Questionable Mask Spoofing Surfaces
What facts? I do not recall family members unlocking Touch ID left and right after it was introduced. Do you have any evidence of that?
did you create this account just to trollBut but but Apple said "The technology that enables Face ID is some of the most advanced hardware and software that we’ve ever created".
Stop blaming users or telling them to stop complaining when they paid $1000 or more for a device advertised to be secure enough that "You can use it to authorize purchases from the iTunes Store, App Store, iBooks Store, and payments with Apple Pay."
Before people say I made this up, these quotes are taken directly from Apple support site https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT208108