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10-Year-Old Unlocks Face ID on His Mother's iPhone X as Questionable Mask Spoofing Surfaces
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“For he was his mother’s son, so too the face was shared”
"Facts" can be easily backed up. You don't just get to say something, and then say "facts" at the end of it. So where's your proof?
Apple and apologists could positive spin it as a 'family emergency access' feature.
The new "You're holding it wrong"
Personally, I view FaceID as a measure by which if your average thief steals my iPhone X or someone dishonest finds it, they're not easily able to gain access to it and therefore there's less incentive to steal it in the first place.
The fact that it maybe spoofed by someone going to measures that your average thief isn’t going to bother with, or there maybe an outside chance of it thinking a specific person is me doesn't really concern me.
It's like my house - I'm happy that it's secure enough to deter the average burglar even though, like most houses, anyone with an axe who wanted to get in could do so without too much difficulty.
The fact that it maybe spoofed by someone going to measures that your average thief isn’t going to bother with, or there maybe an outside chance of it thinking a specific person is me doesn't really concern me.
It's like my house - I'm happy that it's secure enough to deter the average burglar even though, like most houses, anyone with an axe who wanted to get in could do so without too much difficulty.
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Anything other than a complex, mixed character password is a convenience.
This is nothing new. But we are a fragile society these days, so let the tears flow I guess.
This is nothing new. But we are a fragile society these days, so let the tears flow I guess.
I was actually thinking the same thing. If he tried and then they tap in the code while in front of his face the phone takes a snapshot of his face. If that's done enough that would explain it.
Ah, so youApple and apologists could positive spin it as a 'family emergency access' feature.
Ah, so you mean like samsung and the note 7?Apple and apologists could positive spin it as a 'family emergency access' feature.
Just train your kid to leave ya ****ing phone alone.
Maybe Apple could include a pop up dialog box explaining that you need to train it multiple times.
Source: This kid wouldn't be able to access his mom's phone if it was secured with Touch ID.
The lock on my front door to my home where my family, most of my actual valuables, my children and most anything else i own is stored is way less secure than FaceID on my phone where I store some photos of food I ate on some Saturday night back in 2012 and a plethora of apps that have been carried over since my iPhone 3G.
Who on earth actually has people pick up their phone to unlock it and look at it? The only person I care not to see my phone is my wife and fortunately she doesn’t look like me. Outside of that If you have that kind of sensitive info on your phone where it would be horrible if someone looked at it for 2 min do yourself a favor and never go out of your house again.
Source : This kid wouldn't be able to access his mom's phone if he were taught some manners about leaving others peoples stuff alone.
and you think kids don't pay attention to the exact same passcode presses their parents enter in front of them when TouchID doesn't work properly. Go with that. Then you end up with a $150 iTunes payment.
FaceID is an awesome concept, but at the moment this is all it is: a concept. I am sure that 2nd or 3rd generation will do wonders, but sadly this is simply not true for the current generation which is little more than a beta.
This is the trouble if it relies overwhelmingly on the shape of facial features, family members who aren’t even twins can have similar shaped noses, lips, eyes etc and considering face ID has to have a certain amount of leeway as your face isn’t an unchanging marble statue it’s probably quite a fuzzy line between ‘yes’ and ‘no’ in practise...
More simply, the kid probably knows the passcode and has been unknowingly training it on his face when he goes to play angry birds.
Didn't recomend not to use face ID if you have a kid?
A new video has surfaced of a 10-year-old child unlocking his mother's iPhone X with his face even though Face ID was set up with her face.
The parents, Attaullah Malik and Sana Sherwani, said their fifth-grade son Ammar Malik simply picked up his mother's new iPhone X without permission and, to their surprise, unlocked the device with his very first glance.The younger Malik was then consistently able to unlock his mother's iPhone X, according to his parents. He was even able to unlock his father's iPhone X, but only on one attempt, which he has since been unable to replicate.
WIRED reporter Andy Greenberg suggested that Sherwani re-register her face to see what would happen. Upon doing so, the iPhone X no longer allowed Ammar access. Interestingly, after Sherwani tried registering her face again a few hours later in the same indoor, nighttime lighting conditions in which she first set up her iPhone X, the son was able to regain access with his face.
The parents clarified that no one ever entered the iPhone X's passcode after any of the failed unlocking attempts. That's important, since when Face ID fails to recognize you beyond a certain threshold, and you immediately enter a passcode, the TrueDepth camera takes another capture to improve its reliability.
Apple explains in its Face ID security paper:Given no passcode was ever entered, we can assume that Face ID never learned and adjusted for the son's face.
The same Face ID security paper distinctly states that the probability of a false match is higher among children under the age of 13, because their distinct facial features may not have fully developed. Given the child is only 10 years old, and Apple's information, what's shown in the video isn't a surprising flaw.
Nevertheless, the video is further evidence that Face ID isn't 100 percent foolproof given just the right circumstances. If you are concerned about this, Apple merely recommends using only a passcode to authenticate.
In related news, Vietnamese security firm Bkav recently shared a video in which it was able to spoof Face ID with a mask. The video is generating headlines since Apple said Face ID uses sophisticated anti-spoofing neural networks to minimize its chances of being spoofed, including with a mask.
The mask was supposedly crafted by combining 3D printing with makeup and 2D images, with some special processing done on the cheeks and around the face. Bkav said the supplies to make it cost roughly $150.
We're skeptical about the video given the lack of accompanying details. For instance, Bkav hasn't specified whether it disabled Face ID's default "Require Attention" feature, which provides an additional layer of security by verifying that you are looking at the iPhone before authentication is granted.
Even if the video is legitimate, it's hardly something that the average person should be concerned about. The chances of someone creating such a sophisticated mask of your facial features would seem extremely slim.
Apple so far has not responded to the videos, beyond pointing reporters to its existing Face ID security paper we linked to above.
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