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And you know Apple didn't partner with CNN how? You know the people brought in their personal iPads how? For all we know, they really use Android tablets at home.

Boy... you're just Mr. Conspiracy today :)

You realize that Apple has actually sold hundreds of millions of iPads, right? They clearly don't have a problem selling iPads. So if regular people enjoy using iPads... why wouldn't TV personalities?

The iPad is an established product... even after just 4 years. They are being used in hundreds of TV stations. It's a wonderful tool. Apple doesn't need to give away iPads to be seen on TV.
 
Boy... you're just Mr. Conspiracy today :)

You realize that Apple has actually sold hundreds of millions of iPads, right? They clearly don't have a problem selling iPads. So if regular people enjoy using iPads... why wouldn't TV personalities?

The iPad is an established product... even after just 4 years. They are being used in hundreds of TV stations. It's a wonderful tool. Apple doesn't need to give away iPads to be seen on TV.

I didn't say anything about a conspiracy. I was simply stating that the stations could have bought the iPads. No big conspiracy there.
 
I didn't say anything about a conspiracy. I was simply stating that the stations could have bought the iPads. No big conspiracy there.

Well yeah... TV stations could provide iPads for their employees... much like their office computers and smartphones. Those are the perks you get from working at a TV station.

I thought you were trying to say that Apple provided iPads for free to the TV stations as some sort of product placement deal.

We know Microsoft partnered with CNN to provide Surface tablets on election night. That deal was widely publicized.

But I haven't heard of Apple doing that.

Like I said... the iPad is pretty popular across many industries. I don't think Apple needs to pay people to use them.

Whether or not Jake Tapper was using a CNN-issued iPad or his own personal iPad... that wasn't my point.

My point was that he was obviously using an iPad before election night... and he would have used that iPad regardless of Microsoft's deal for that night. No one is gonna come to work and just drop the device they're used to.

It's been almost a month since that faithful night. I'd be curious to know if CNN staffers are still using iPads. My guess would be yes.

I just watched my local news... and there were three iPad Airs on the desk. Is that paid product placement? Or just an IT department that chose to use iPads organically?
 
Well yeah... TV stations could provide iPads for their employees... much like their office computers and smartphones. Those are the perks you get from working at a TV station.

I thought you were trying to say that Apple provided iPads for free to the TV stations as some sort of product placement deal.

We know Microsoft partnered with CNN to provide Surface tablets on election night. That deal was widely publicized.

But I haven't heard of Apple doing that.

Like I said... the iPad is pretty popular across many industries. I don't think Apple needs to pay people to use them.

Whether or not Jake Tapper was using a CNN-issued iPad or his own personal iPad... that wasn't my point.

My point was that he was obviously using an iPad before election night... and he would have used that iPad regardless of Microsoft's deal for that night. No one is gonna come to work and just drop the device they're used to.

It's been almost a month since that faithful night. I'd be curious to know if CNN staffers are still using iPads. My guess would be yes.

I just watched my local news... and there were three iPad Airs on the desk. Is that paid product placement? Or just an IT department that chose to use iPads organically?

I'd love to know how that as well.
 
They were using the iPads to tweet, nothing more.

So, what part of my 'story' (as you called it) that multiple people at different occasions were using iPads for some tasks despite having Microsoft Surfaces in front of them, exactly has been debunked?
 
Okay, bye. Because that will never happen. You'll get iOS apps with desktop-level features eventually (some apps already have them) — and a bigger display will help enable that. But touch UIs and mouse UIs are fundamentally incompatible.


The trackpad of the Mac uses gestures which are pretty much the same as touch screen gestures. In the case of Mac/iPad it's not so incompatible.
 
So, what part of my 'story' (as you called it) that multiple people at different occasions were using iPads for some tasks despite having Microsoft Surfaces in front of them, exactly has been debunked?

I assumed you were trying to say the iPads were being used for something important,
 
Huge market??
Lol. No.
I bet 5,000 cases are sold for every 1 stylus (plural form styli, btw).
I have worked at a busy cellular sales shop for the last four years & could count the amount of people that have come in asking for a stylus on a single hand. use.

Who is talking about a stylus for phones? Go to amazon and type in ipad stylus--there are dozens--many costing over a hundred dollars

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Huge market for aftermarket pens? Source?

What do you think the breakdown of iPad purchases versus stylus purchases is?

Do 4 out of 5 iPad owners buy a stylus? 1 out of 5 ? 1 out of 20 ?

I know dozens and dozens of people who own iPads. Regular average consumers. Small business owners too.

None of them have a stylus for their iPads.

Source? Go to amazon and type in "ipad stylus". You will see dozens of products, many costing over $100.

Then you go with the Pauline Kael defense. pathetic.
 
Who is talking about a stylus for phones? Go to amazon and type in ipad stylus--there are dozens--many costing over a hundred dollars

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Source? Go to amazon and type in "ipad stylus". You will see dozens of products, many costing over $100.

Then you go with the Pauline Kael defense. pathetic.

Pathetic?
Pathetic is using for "proof": results for a product showing up in Amazon. Lol.
So if I Google "foods that taste like feces" and there are thousands of results, would that prove that people enjoy food that tastes like feces???
No. No it would not.
Just like the mere fact that stylii are AVAILABLE to buy clearly has nothing to do with whether or not they are being sold in high quantities.
As a matter of fact... they are being sold in such LOW quantities & so few care about this silly accoutrement in its current iterations that I can't even find a reliable source that is tracking their sales at all. That is fairly telling in and of itself. We get it.... YOU are one of the rare few that loves a stylus. YOU think they are marvelous. YOU are their target market.
Your mistake is then projecting your eclectic wants (falsely) across the entire populace.
If they truly were popular... as your bizarre and untrue claim suggests. We'd be seeing comments like "I can't believe everyone buys those things. They seem pointless"... which literally NONE of the detractors are saying... All comments seem to be of the "Huh, I've seen literally dozens and dozens of tablets in use; why have I seen not a single stylus in use?" variety.
Pack it up, bud. You lose this argument. Whether the stylus is awesome currently, or even if it is the lynchpin of all future computing... the FACT remains: it is NOT currently popular as an input source for tablets.
 
From A System Standpoint They Are Not All That Different

It wouldn't be hard to actually merge IOS and OSX together in a "two mode" kind of fashion like you see on Windows 8.

The core OS's are almost exactly the same. If you run XCode on a Mac and run iPhone or iPad simulator, which you can use to test apps you wrote, you are actually running iOS on top of OSX. This isn't a virtual machine or emulator, this is actually running natively. If they are going to make an iPad Pro, they should use an x86 over an ARM, so you can run current OSX programs. The IOS are compiled for x86, if you run one in the simulator, so there really isn't a problem with rewriting apps.
 
12.2-Inch 'iPad Air Plus' May Launch Between April and June 2015 With A9 Proc...

It wouldn't be hard to actually merge IOS and OSX together in a "two mode" kind of fashion like you see on Windows 8.



The core OS's are almost exactly the same. If you run XCode on a Mac and run iPhone or iPad simulator, which you can use to test apps you wrote, you are actually running iOS on top of OSX. This isn't a virtual machine or emulator, this is actually running natively. If they are going to make an iPad Pro, they should use an x86 over an ARM, so you can run current OSX programs. The IOS are compiled for x86, if you run one in the simulator, so there really isn't a problem with rewriting apps.


Apple would have to be totally crazy not to merge the two OSes into a single device. I'd buy it in a heartbeat to replace both my iPad and MacBook Air. When I saw the MS Surface Pro I realized that such a concept is the future of computing and the only reason I didn't buy a Surface was because I hate Windows.
 
Pack it up, bud. You lose this argument. Whether the stylus is awesome currently, or even if it is the lynchpin of all future computing... the FACT remains: it is NOT currently popular as an input source for tablets.


Stylus are popular among the creative professional industries and required when working on tablets. Heck, even your favorite game developers use them to create and rig character models.

Stylus is even more accurate than a finger. Think about it. Steve used to run Pixar, an animation studio filled with high end workstation systems and digitizer tablets for the staff to build and visualize their projects.

Then he goes off upon the release of iOS, proselytizing the use of the finger and says they blew it with the styluses, without the foresight that professional designers and artists ARE using them for their gigs.

So what's wrong with the picture here? It's Steve that had it wrong. What did he expect us to do? Go finger painting like children in kindergarten?

And stylus are still here and will not go away. I even use one from Wacom with a digitizer tablet and it destroys anything that Apple has on the iPad with pressure sensitivity. That is, unless Apple has enough balls to make the jump and add in pressure sensitivity but I doubt they will.
 
Stylus are popular among the creative professional industries and required when working on tablets. Heck, even your favorite game developers use them to create and rig character models.

Stylus is even more accurate than a finger. Think about it. Steve used to run Pixar, an animation studio filled with high end workstation systems and digitizer tablets for the staff to build and visualize their projects.

Then he goes off upon the release of iOS, proselytizing the use of the finger and says they blew it with the styluses, without the foresight that professional designers and artists ARE using them for their gigs.

So what's wrong with the picture here? It's Steve that had it wrong. What did he expect us to do? Go finger painting like children in kindergarten?

And stylus are still here and will not go away. I even use one from Wacom with a digitizer tablet and it destroys anything that Apple has on the iPad with pressure sensitivity. That is, unless Apple has enough balls to make the jump and add in pressure sensitivity but I doubt they will.

Well... I think that Apple Watch has shown us that Apple is interested in giving us more robust "right-click" support by contextual pressure, rather than just long pressing. That's exciting to me! Recent patents suggest that they are interested in creating an iPad with over a thousand points of haptic feedback... That's exciting to me as well!
I'd much rather "feel" the visceral sensation of flipping a switch, adjusting a slider, pushing a button, or twisting a knob on my future iPad screen than slide my finger inertly across a piece of glass depicting these things...
That type of innovation is hopefully coming & I look forward to it a lot more than the drab, ho-hum, kind of derpy idea of "wow, look... I can shade in sketches".
The idea (stylus) just has to have more uses than the very, very, very narrow scope you've described to be a compelling addition to ALL iPads.
 
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Stylus are popular among the creative professional industries and required when working on tablets. Heck, even your favorite game developers use them to create and rig character models.

Stylus is even more accurate than a finger. Think about it. Steve used to run Pixar, an animation studio filled with high end workstation systems and digitizer tablets for the staff to build and visualize their projects.

Then he goes off upon the release of iOS, proselytizing the use of the finger and says they blew it with the styluses, without the foresight that professional designers and artists ARE using them for their gigs.

So what's wrong with the picture here? It's Steve that had it wrong. What did he expect us to do? Go finger painting like children in kindergarten?

And stylus are still here and will not go away. I even use one from Wacom with a digitizer tablet and it destroys anything that Apple has on the iPad with pressure sensitivity. That is, unless Apple has enough balls to make the jump and add in pressure sensitivity but I doubt they will.

It seems one way for a company to become boring is to only produce devices that have to be incredibly popular. Not everything useful or cool will sell a hundred million devices. An artistic tablet would be amazing. Yet since Apple is so cheap we will likely not see anything extra or cool like that anytime soon.
 
Because it won't run OS X probably. It's just a larger iPad for playing Angry Birds. Sigh.

This. Until I can run any app and not just apps purchased from the app store, it will be just another iPad. Apple will not allow this to be a full computer. I did not purchase this years iPads because well, they are more of the same.

This is why I bought a Surface Pro 3. I can and have installed iTunes to sync my iPad and iPhone to, installed MS Office 2013 and have Facebook and Twitter apps and I can modify it anyway I want.
 
Apple would have to be totally crazy not to merge the two OSes into a single device. I'd buy it in a heartbeat to replace both my iPad and MacBook Air. When I saw the MS Surface Pro I realized that such a concept is the future of computing and the only reason I didn't buy a Surface was because I hate Windows.

I would love that. If Google and Apple are smart, they would (at least on their larger tablets) create a hybrid. Google could convert Android into full Linux and wrap it in a user friendly package or run on top of a Windows machine.

But I totally agree with you about it being the future. I see people carrying around a phablet and a hybrid. Some may just carry around a phablet and dock whenever they need to get real work done. (I think Ubuntu has a phone concept that can do this.)
 
It seems one way for a company to become boring is to only produce devices that have to be incredibly popular. Not everything useful or cool will sell a hundred million devices. An artistic tablet would be amazing. Yet since Apple is so cheap we will likely not see anything extra or cool like that anytime soon.

This is the most "spoiled small child that can't see beyond the nose on their face" type of argument I've ever seen!!!!

Lol, so according to your "logic"... if having a huge hook welded on the back of an iPad would be helpful to all mountain climbers, they should immediately add that to the next hundred million iPads they sell, right??
No... no they should not. Adding a physical object that adds weight & bulk to a consumer device and would only be used & appreciated by a miniscule amount of the owners of said device would be the height of stupidity for a company... & it's the height of arrogance of anybody in that minority to act as if that makes sense simply because they want it.
The small amount of people that want hooks on their iPads can work that out themselves... the small amount of people that want a stylus can work that out themselves. Don't foist your opinion upon others as if it is the popular one. It is not. The vast majority of iPad users are NOT clamoring for a stylus.
 
Well... I think that Apple Watch has shown us that Apple is interested in giving us more robust "right-click" support by contextual pressure, rather than just long pressing. That's exciting to me! Recent patents suggest that they are interested in creating an iPad with over a thousand points of haptic feedback... That's exciting to me as well!
I'd much rather "feel" the visceral sensation of flipping a switch, adjusting a slider, pushing a button, or twisting a knob on my future iPad screen than slide my finger inertly across a piece of glass depicting these things...
That type of innovation is hopefully coming & I look forward to it a lot more than the drab, ho-hum, kind of derpy idea of "wow, look... I can shade in sketches".
The idea (stylus) just has to have more uses than the very, very, very narrow scope you've described to be a compelling addition to ALL iPads.

As for the Apple Watch, I'm not quite compelled to buy one because it doesn't have what I'm looking for, despite the haptic feedback.

However, as far as haptic feedback goes, that's old news. In fact, it's been around for years and other companies have used that in the past. Haptic Force feedback was one example I've experienced back in the early 2000s when Microsoft or Logitech had a flight controller with force feedback built-in at the time for gamers playing DOOM or any other software that uses it. You can actually feel the resistance and shock vibration.

Then, there was Sony Playstation that had haptic shock vibrations as well. I remember this as well and this tech is still in use these days. So that's nothing new or inventive. Not even Apple can make that claim as being the first to come up with haptic feedback on the tablet. And to make the point, one of the Android phones I've tried out months ago has haptic feedback on the keyboard which was a nice touch.

There is one problem with implementing haptic feedback in a tablet and I think it does drain battery life significantly.

As for as the stylus goes, you're being narrow minded here. Styluses these days are more advanced than just the simple rubber tip you see around. The Wacom stylus I own has a toggle switch button like a 'right click' function that's entirely programmable to whatever I want it to do and I can remove the tip and replace it with a new one.

Styluses for tablets these days from companies like Adonit and Wacom are improving big time. They managed to figure out how to go from the fat rubber tip to a fine tip for better accuracy.

And if you think it's just for shading, you're mistaken. It has nothing to do with that technique. The pressure sensitivity built into, say the Adonit Jot Touch, has about 2,000 levels of pressure sensitivity and you can see it here:

http://www.adonit.net/jot/touch/

Most importantly, these pens allow line control. Animators or comic book illustrators draw lines to create images and then add color, if need be. Or if one needs to use gray tones, create a layer, add a gray paint, and activate the eraser or paint in the gray tones for the manga feel in black and white comic illustrations.

If you pick up a pencil and press it hard, it goes dark and thick. If you write very lightly, it shows some lightness. That's called used pressure. And this is exactly what the iPad lacked. Here's another example of a very high-end digitizing tablet called Wacom Companion:

http://www.wacom.com/en-us/products/pen-displays/cintiq-companion

or if you want to go all out insane, try 24HD which is close to $3,000:

http://www.wacom.com/en-us/products/pen-displays/cintiq-24-hd-touch

Take a look at it. It's expensive for a reason. I know a lot of professionals in my field rave about it. Heck, even other Android tablets have pressure sensitive styluses included. I know this for a fact.

My point is that those high-end digitizing tablets are good for professional use, even the Companion has an Android/Windows option. They're not perfect but they do get the job done. At least, they're cheaper than the most powerful Cintiqs they have to offer. I even know some artists who use Samsung Galaxy Tabs so they can use Sketchbook Pro for their work and that it gets the job done, especially when their device can be upgraded to 32 or 64 GB of RAM. That's a very good thing.

That's why Apple needs to get with the program and let professionals have more flexibility with the 'pro' version of their iPad. Apple's products are getting to the point of homogeneity.

So, the styluses are NOT designed for just 'shading in sketches' which is a narrow point of view. Here's more of what they can do. They can offer accuracy if you're taking notes or diagrams. You can't do that with a finger. It's too clumsy and gets in the way. . .and not very elegant.

When the iPad first came out, one of the first apps that was released and previewed was called Brushes. And I remember seeing the keynote which the guy was 'finger painting' it without a stylus and I said to myself " There's no way in hell any professional artist would use their finger for this. Brushes will sell very well but they're going to need a stylus for THIS ". That's when I realized Apple shot themselves in the foot.

And right now, the best selling illustration/design app is Sketchbook Pro, next to Procreate. Those two are amazing apps.

Steve contradicted himself. He's the one that blew it. Why didn't Jony Ive have the balls to actually design a stylus? If he's so into industrial design for the sheer beauty and functionality, why not a stylus? He did the watch which is one thing.

The point of this topic with the iPad Air Plus is for professional use and the larger screen is beneficial for this reason when it concerns a stylus.

This is not a high school popularity contest and since Apple behaves like its in high school trying too hard to be popular, thinking it knows best for everyone when it really doesn't.

EDIT: I forgot to mention one of Wacom's styluses for the iPad which a new edition for this year:

Here's another of Wacom's stylus for the iPad which is really nice:

http://www.wacom.com/en-us/products/stylus/intuos-creative-stylus-2

I've been looking into this but would need to upgrade to a new iPad or switch over to one of Samsung's tablets with the stylus included.
 
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This is the most "spoiled small child that can't see beyond the nose on their face" type of argument I've ever seen!!!!

That's quite a butchered interpretation of the meaning behind what I said.

Plus people are always saying what they want their tech to be like.

Lol, so according to your "logic"... if having a huge hook welded on the back of an iPad would be helpful to all mountain climbers, they should immediately add that to the next hundred million iPads they sell, right??
No... no they should not. Adding a physical object that adds weight & bulk to a consumer device and would only be used & appreciated by a miniscule amount of the owners of said device would be the height of stupidity for a company... & it's the height of arrogance of anybody in that minority to act as if that makes sense simply because they want it.
The small amount of people that want hooks on their iPads can work that out themselves... the small amount of people that want a stylus can work that out themselves. Don't foist your opinion upon others as if it is the popular one. It is not. The vast majority of iPad users are NOT clamoring for a stylus.

At least other companies produce these devices. If every company thought like that we would just have the same items over and over again.

Work that out themselves would just mean buying something else that fits there needs.

Never said it was the popular opinion. Wacom pressure sensitivity would be amazing yet I'm well aware it's a limited market. Of course I've seen this feature on two hundred dollar windows tablets.
 
As for the Apple Watch, I'm not quite compelled to buy one because it doesn't have what I'm looking for, despite the haptic feedback.

However, as far as haptic feedback goes, that's old news. In fact, it's been around for years and other companies have used that in the past.

Your narrow view of haptic feedback relies on an entire device vibrating to supposedly simulate the feedback on one particular point.
How quaint!
So... when the Android phone you mentioned has "haptic" feedback on the keyboard, do you think it is actually vibrating beneath where you touch it on the keyboard?? It is NOT. Obviously. There is only one vibrator in your phone. It is the same one that vibes when you get a call, text, or email. This rudimentary tech relies on your brain tricking you... that is; you expect to feel something directly under your finger, so when your entire phone vibrates, you imagine that it is vibrating only where you touched it. Again... it is NOT.
Now, in Apple's patent they envision over 1,00 ACTUAL points of haptic feedback. So, for example... as you drag an item closer to an edge you can feel stronger resistance or if you flip an on screen switch you can actually feel it flip. This is beyond amazing! This is game changing.
To try to call this future tech not innovative because of the current implementation of haptic feedback is laughable at best... & willfully naive at worst.
Even likening it to your little pet obsession of having a shading device come standard on our tablets is not even in the same realm.

In my opinion, of course.
 
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