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Look at the size of MBA and MBP. MBP is smaller has retina display all the ports you ever would need and good battery life. Only downside is 1/2 pound.

Yes, personally I'd go with the 13" rMBP or hang on to see what happens to the 15" at WWDC (currently using a 17" MBP, so all of the current models feel like Air to me!) However, the power and connectivity of the Air really hits the sweet spot for a lot of people (including several of my colleagues) who, understandably, would rather not carry around an extra 1/2 pound. If they need to upgrade in the near future, I'd probably recommend that they stick with Airs.
 
Whatever. All of these gripes are valid to one degree or another but I still want one.
Let's be honest this has served as a good proof of concept and in a generation or two we'll have more USB-C devices and faster Intel CoreM processors and everyone will be happy.
I still maintain that this is not designed to be your only computer some sort of base station iMac or MacMini is probably the best environment for this guy - probably a time capsule and an apple TV also.
 
The MBP is the MBA with an extra half pound of battery to drive the retina screen.

Not only this. There is a difference in terms of CPU throttling. Try going 100% CPU for a couple of minutes in an Air and you'll see it operating at around 1.x GHz. MBPs can operate at 2.x GHz for hours.

I expect that a new Macbook will do >2GHz only for a couple of minutes, like when compressing/decompressing files. Most of the time it will behave like a 1.x GHz CPU. Anandtech already shows that its 256GB SSD is not even on par with the 128GB one found in 2015 Airs, which reach the 1GB/s mark.

The new Macbook is a premium netbook, a beautiful and useful browsing/office device. With the bundled adapter and a couple of chargers it will cover most office work use cases and some entertainment. But the Airs can still go further with the faster SSD and processing power. I see people doing serious Photoshop with Airs, but I can't imagine this with the new Macbook. After processing the first dozen of pictures in a batch it will probably start throttling to the base speed.
 
Tried it at Best Buy. The horrible keyboard and force touch touchpad killed any interest I had in the product such as the light weight compared to MBP brick.

I tried a new 13" rMBP with the force touch trackpad and had to look at the system info and try the force-touch feature to convince myself that it wasn't the old trackpad with the mechanical click, which is sort-of impressive in one way and sort-of unimpressive in another (I don't see a convincing use case for force-click yet)...

Is the MB trackpad worse (I know from iFixit that its different)?


Lack of touch screen and precision pen inputs also make it kind of archaic.

I still don't think the ergonomics of touch screen on a clamshell laptop make sense. They'd have to go for some sort of reversible design - and also make sure OS X was fully touch-compatible (a process that didn't go so well for Windows!).
 
So a Surface Pro that runs OS X?

Kind of? Looking at Apple's patents over the past several years, I think they will do a better job. For one, automatically switching between touch-optimized and mouse-optimized systems based on device configuration or docked/paired devices. I also think OS X and iOS are closer than desktop and tablet versions of Windows. Apple also has a better app environment, especially for creatives who tend to prefer their devices. An iPad Pro could handle could easily handle things like pressure-sensitive drawing, photo editing and things like that. Nobody will be editing 4K video on it, at least not for a long time lol. Mac Pros and iMacs are still trucks. Sometimes you need a truck.
 
Not buying

Not buying because I have too much legacy hard stuff I am not ready to throw away. Kensington have a dock that does all I need EXCEPT I can't see it will charge the Retina Macbook. I know where Apple want me to go and I'd like to go there but not this way - only one connection is a step too far if you move between offices and want to attach a big non-apple monitor, an external backup drive, charge an iPhone, and connect to an office network in more than one place. AS I SAID NO SALE.
 
It will be, but not immediately. It makes no sense for Apple to "mainstream" the MacBook right now. As evidenced by the short supply, it's not as if they have the manufacturing capacity at the moment. Plus Core M is due for major improvements when Skylake comes out at the end of the year. Like the first iterations of the MacBook Air, this is aimed at road warriors until Apple figures out what works, and what needs changing.

I agree. I anticipate a reduction in price over time. Once it hits MBA levels for the same ram/ssd, I expect the MBA to disappear.
 
I agree. I anticipate a reduction in price over time. Once it hits MBA levels for the same ram/ssd, I expect the MBA to disappear.

Like the iPad 2, I predict the Air will be around for a long time. For Enterprise use. Enterprise doesn't need Retina displays, just affordable workhorses.
 
Let's reverse your statement to show you that your post is absolutely irrelevant: "Lol Idk why u even bother posting anything Apple since it's always positive".


U can do that. It's not true If u know better but hey whatever.
 
Like the iPad 2, I predict the Air will be around for a long time. For Enterprise use. Enterprise doesn't need Retina displays, just affordable workhorses.

They'll just buy rMBP 13" for them. The price difference is narrowing every year.
 
Seems like you want to compare the MB to an iMac then - and even then 6TB daily means you are going to have external cables going everywhere anyway?

Don't think anyone said the MB was a great solution to be used as a sole/primary machine?

I was commenting on Maclee2010's quote (in the article) that goes like "if you need many ports to use your computer today, you are doing it all wrong", which is not true at all since "today" most people who do intensive stuff on computers do need many ports, they're not actually doing anything wrong.
 
They'll just buy rMBP 13" for them. The price difference is narrowing every year.

The base 13" Air is 999. The base rPro is so 1,299. 300 is nothing to scoff at especially for large enterprise. I don't think you know what you are talking about.
 
Yeah imo the 13 rmbp is a better value unless u absolutely have to have thin.

Value is a completely arbitrary and irrelevant factor when you talk about Enterprise. Value is a completely made up notion that consumers use to justify cost of product.

Enterprise usage will be about functionality. Can it do the job we ask our employees to do. The Air does that without the extra cost of features that will not be used.

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A second type C port?

If that is literally the only thing, then the MacBook should be considered a resounding success.
 
Value is a completely arbitrary and irrelevant factor when you talk about Enterprise. Value is a completely made up notion that consumers use to justify cost of product.

Enterprise usage will be about functionality. Can it do the job we ask our employees to do. The Air does that without the extra cost of features that will not be used.

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If that is literally the only thing, then the MacBook should be considered a resounding success.

That's all they can do on a hardware front. Intel needs to step up their Core M offerings. Apple also needs to optimize OS X better. What else can they really do?
 
I usually don't call out people like this but...the Macbooks started arriving on 4/15. There is a 14 day return policy. Hence, no need to sell it on Craigslist, right? Unless there is some fabrication here...just saying.

If your going to troll, at least be realistic. Again, not saying you're trolling, but...

Sure Apple would be happy to take it back, but with lead times out to 4-6 weeks the MB is worth more than we paid for it to folks who want one today. Since I bought it under my Dev Account ($1557.72 with tax) and sold it for $1680 cash (listed at $1700) I saved the inconvenience of the return process and made a few bucks for the trouble.

Only drawback: I can only buy one more discounted Mac this year.
 
That's all they can do on a hardware front. Intel needs to step up their Core M offerings. Apple also needs to optimize OS X better. What else can they really do?

Apple can do anything they want on the hardware side. They could have added 10 USB-C ports if they wanted. That point makes no sense.

Intel stepping up their Core M offerings? In what way? They already offer a wide variety. This statement makes no sense.

Optimize OSX? Based on what metric? Basically some users have a tiny fraction of UI stutter and think OSX isn't optimized. That isn't a metric. The OS is incredibly powerful with a ton of features and still has a minimal drain on battery performance. Could it be improved? Sure. But so could every OS that currently exists. I think the argument is weak at best.

The end result is the MacBook delivers. The only argument anyone ever talks about is the lack of a second USB port. I've had my MacBook for 2 full weeks now. Heavy daily use taking over every task my iMac was doing for me. I've not used the USB port for anything but charging. And I likely never will.

That's a win. I never want to plug anything in my computer if I don't have to. It's an old way of doing things and I look forward to our wireless future.
 
You know you can still return it, right?

Sure Apple would be happy to take it back, but with lead times out to 4-6 weeks the MB is worth more than we paid for it to folks who want one today. Since I bought it under my Dev Account ($1557.72 with tax) and sold it for $1680 cash (listed at $1700) I saved the inconvenience of the return process and made a few bucks for the trouble.

Only drawback: I can only buy one more discounted Mac this year.
 
Except Ford didn't invent the automobile. Karl Benz did in 1886. 22 years before the 1st Model T. It is doubtful that this quote is actually true, "if he had" ? Implies a lot of assumptions on the opinions of his (future?) customers.

Besides, the rMB is nothing radically different than similar ultrabooks, it just looks pretty.

And I'm sure Mr. Benz's customers also would have asked for 'A faster horse.'
 
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