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12" Macbook - Get Over It!
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One man's criticism is another man's silliness. The beauty of freedom is that we do not have someone make that decision for all of us - we get to do it individually.
Right, but when it comes to consumer mass-market products like Apple products, they're NOT individual products tailored to each individual. They're marketed to the mass, and if someone doesn't fit into the mold, they need to either accept the parts of the product that don't work for them, or move on. With 71% of MacRumors readers excited about the new Macbook, clearly Apple hit the nail on the head. As usual, the whiners about silly little things like why Apple didn't include blu ray on the 2011 Macbook Pro, or why Apple stopped firewire, are trolling again. Like the lack of Blu Ray and Firewire, this too will please the masses and be successful.
Yep, for me its about attitude. We can most certainly dislike and show our dislike about something. Don't get me started about the iPhone 6. I don't like it. But how I approach that can create positive discussion or angry, rude posts.
Yes they will go this way. One port? And NO LONGER MAG SAFE? Ahhhhh.
They fixed the power cord problem and then UNFIXED it. Stupid.
They fixed the power cord problem and then UNFIXED it. Stupid.
Seriously, can you STOP typing the same thing over and over again in each and every thread? You don't like Apple's not including MagSafe in rMB. We get it after your first 8 posts.
Why? Why the need for perfect conformity? Even if one person is unhappy, he has every right to come out and speak his mind.
this computer advertised to have everything wireless. except for 1 wireless feature it actually needs!
Wireless Charging. It's ridiculous to expect people to choose between charging or other features.
Wireless Charging. It's ridiculous to expect people to choose between charging or other features.
I'm pretty sure this machine has been developed with wireless charging in mind. Skylake is pushing that platform, so when the 2016 model arrives it may very well not need any wires at all.
The 2020 version will have NO ports
Yawn, you automatically term someone who doesn't support your opinion as a "Fanboy" ... sounds like you're just bitter the Macbook has mass-appeal and you're not mainstream.
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But the iPhone 6 is the most filthiest horrid piece of trash ever because Apple is forcing me to chose between 4.7 and 5.5 inch screens, and they should have made a 5.0 because that's what *I* want, so clearly since they didn't design the product for *ME* it's complete garbage, overpriced, under-spec'd, and for them to force me to buy one that's either too small or two big... shameful. ROFL
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Sure he does, but not expect to be taken seriously by Apple nor the mass-market the product was designed for. Just like any product, the goal is to design for the most wide-spread adoption, and Apple certainly did it on this one. I bet less than a third of those who buy it will buy the dongles... so had Apple included them and rounded the computer up to the next hundred (you didn't expect them free right?), many people would be saying why am I being forced to pay for this?
Don't like it, you have a choice. I dunno, I've just never spent so much time bitching about a product. Do you bitch whenever Samsung releases a product in their forums about how it doesn't fit your needs? When I see a product launch online, if it's not for me, I just ignore it and move on with life.
I should point something out. The only reason apple used usb c, was because the macbook was too thin for magsafe. The macbook pro, will never get that thin. (at least in the near future). There isn't really an advantage to powering MBP with usb C. In fact there is no advantage to usb C on it at all.
The Macbook is designed to be a notebook for the people who like the iPad, but want a more computer experience. It has very little in common with an iPad, but it will actually make people switch from iPad. Watch iPad sales drop a bit when this thing comes out.
No it isn't. The Magsafe connector is thinner than the headphone port this machine has.
Why not the mag safe?
In the older models of the power requirements are different. The charger puts out something like 60 watts at 16.5 volts DC. The new 12" MB uses the standard 5 volt USB version, probably at least the 12 watt model used in the latest iPads.
So the reasoning is probably this, to be able to use the older mag safe chargers would have required a different internal circuit and the design of this computer is all about size!
It just isn't as simple as using the same connector here, the use of a single connector, in this case the C, is a well proven and used architecture for thin devices.
In the older models of the power requirements are different. The charger puts out something like 60 watts at 16.5 volts DC. The new 12" MB uses the standard 5 volt USB version, probably at least the 12 watt model used in the latest iPads.
So the reasoning is probably this, to be able to use the older mag safe chargers would have required a different internal circuit and the design of this computer is all about size!
It just isn't as simple as using the same connector here, the use of a single connector, in this case the C, is a well proven and used architecture for thin devices.
Yep! Apple would have used magsafe if they could. After all its a huge advantage. The circuitboard doesn't have room for it.
Get over it
I think NOW Apple has the most complete Mac lineup
From ultra portability laptop this new one to a the best deal for money i mean the MBA or the classic still selling 13" MBP and to the retinaPRO with almost all ports that you need
And so with the mac mini for portability, the imac or 5k imac and the almost easy to carry MAC PRO with everything you need
So Apple really have a MAC for everyone
They did this with the iPad now...they have an ipad for almost every budget
They just did the same with the new apple watch, a watch for every poket and if the money isnt a problem a watch with any band and material you want (platinum on the way
I think your view of the market is too narrow.
There is a market comprised of people who want the smallest, lightest, highest performance ultrabook possible, i.e., MBA with retina.
I have a mid-2011 MBA and I was waiting to replace it with what I hoped would be an rMBA. I was/am willing to spend $2K or more for that. The new Macbook isn't a sufficiently powerful machine for my needs. I don't need bunches of ports, but I need more processor than the Core M, because I have to run VM's to support my firm's sandboxed environment.
That doesn't mean that Apple needs to pursue that market (it may be too niche for their current business model), but your statement that Apple has a Mac for everyone isn't correct.
Greg
Speaking one's mind is as valid a choice as just moving on. You pick the latter, many others choose the former. If anything, you should be able to move on from reviews/ opinions that you don't like. In my opinion, Macrumors will be a sad place if everyone is allowed to only sing praises of whatever Apple does.
I'm confused...
Here you quoted my post with a reasonable response which I can understand. It is annoying to read constant negativity. However, I like a good debate so I can tolerate it.
Then, you again quote my SAME POST, and reply with a totally different tone:
Which one is your real thoughts on my post because they read quite differently? You confuse me a little. To be honest, the fanboy tag was a little strong, and I'm sorry for using it, but the tone of yours and the OPs posts is essentially for anyone with a different opinion to sit down and shut up. Sorry, not going to happen, as I said in my post... which you quoted twice.
Also, for the record, I don't hate the new MacBook nor am I bitter. I am however disappointed that it didn't meet my desires. I plan to continue discussing it and reading discussion about it here on MR and I do NOT plan to "get over it."
Also, people would respect you more if you didn't start a post with "Yawn"
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Hey art, sorry for the late reply. I shorthanded a Retina iPad Mini. I have the first retina version. Now there are two I guess I should be more specific.
Here you quoted my post with a reasonable response which I can understand. It is annoying to read constant negativity. However, I like a good debate so I can tolerate it.
Then, you again quote my SAME POST, and reply with a totally different tone:
Which one is your real thoughts on my post because they read quite differently? You confuse me a little. To be honest, the fanboy tag was a little strong, and I'm sorry for using it, but the tone of yours and the OPs posts is essentially for anyone with a different opinion to sit down and shut up. Sorry, not going to happen, as I said in my post... which you quoted twice.
Also, for the record, I don't hate the new MacBook nor am I bitter. I am however disappointed that it didn't meet my desires. I plan to continue discussing it and reading discussion about it here on MR and I do NOT plan to "get over it."
Also, people would respect you more if you didn't start a post with "Yawn"
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Hey art, sorry for the late reply. I shorthanded a Retina iPad Mini. I have the first retina version. Now there are two I guess I should be more specific.
The 13" pro is a great machine; I've got a 2013 model, and it's amazing. But it's also thicker, heavier, and more expensive than either the air or macbook, so it's not a perfect solution either.
The frustration comes from the fact that near-pefection was so. very. close... and instead of making the one change that would have made basically everyone happy (add a retina screen to the existing air), Apple fragmented the line into two flawed products -- one with sub-standard power and connectivity, and the other with a sub-standard screen.
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Agreed, but like I stated, there's a time and a place, and it just discredits the person making the negative comments if they're trash-talking a product that wasn't meant to be what they're comparing it to.
If Hyundai comes out with a new $14,000 car, I'm not going to trash it for not having full 360 cameras, self driving feature, etc... because that's not what it's meant to be. It's meant to be a budget car, with limited features.
Much like the new Macbook is to be an ultralight. I guess they could have made it thicker and included a ethernet or firewire port, but the reality is this 2015 and the vast majority of buyers don't care about those features, and would rather have a thin and light ultrabook than to have a laptop 20% thicker. It makes someone look foolish if they whine about a product that wasn't even meant to be what their expectations of the product was.
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Then get a job w\ Apple R&D and engineer it otherwise. My guess is there's a reason they went with one port. If you need an adaptor to do basically anything, it's in their best interest to have 2 ports to sell 2 adaptors... and we know Apple does whatever they can to sell sell sell... so I'd guess they literally crammed all the port-space in that they could in this generation.
Look, let's leave out the mumbo jumbo and get to the bottom line. I'm not going to give an opinion. I'm going to give factual evidence.
This new MacBook is a step backward from the innovation that we're use to seeing at Apple. It's not a good computer. 1 port? I mean, you expect me to charge for a few minutes, then transfer a file, then charge again, I mean come on. That's unacceptable. Core M processor? Apple should be making powerful computers not weaker ones.
Bottom line - Apple messed up with this computer, and I cannot for the life me see anyone actually using. The facts are that this thing has isn't as advanced as the other computers they have so they shouldn't have released a less functional computer. They'll be nixing it in no time just like the 5C.
Ah, so you're in the "Revive the 17 inch MBP again, already!"-camp?
;-)
This thing is perfect for people who need utmost portability and usability (in the sense of a real keyboard instead of some fold-on-keyboard to an iPad).
Personally, I'm looking forward to it - even though it doesn't come with a serial port. Because that's the one port in my current notebook that I use most.
In fact, it's the only port I've been using for a long time (and it has almost all of them: serial, parallel, USB, FW, VGA, S-Video, PCMCIA, mouse, keyboard and of course RJ45)
But it's 2015 and serial ports are kind of passé.
I will take a look at it in the store, of course, before I buy.
Of course, it would have been cool if they had just made a version of the 11" available with double the current resolution (both horizontally and vertically of course). But for some reason, they decided against it.
Maybe it comes with Skylake - who knows.
Perhaps so, if it had to be this design. But it didn't have to be this design. They could have added a retina screen to a machine that's already .11 to .68 inches thin and has ample room for ports.
Prior to Monday's announcement, had you ever heard anyone complain that a macbook air was too thick and heavy?
I agree with you mtneer.
We already have a site for that. Apple discussions... If you want a place where only praise of Apple is permitted, go there.
Apple censors those discussions very heavily. If you have a defect that Apple is still covering up, they'll delete your post even if all you've done is nicely ask for help to resolve the problem.
If anyone expresses an opinion that doesn't favor Apple, it's deleted.
Those who want only positive statements that match their point of view can head over to Apple Discussions and enjoy the sterile discussions in that dictatorship.
When MacRumors becomes Apple Discussions, it'll be time to pull the plug.
There's a reason MacRumors remains as the last high traffic Apple based forums. It's diversity. Take away the diversity and MacRumors will die the death of the other forums.
If people can't handle diverse opinions, and understand that we learn from diversity and understanding and thinking about why other people's opinions differ, then it's time for said closed minded people to go back into their shell.
If you come to a place that discusses people's perspectives, you have no one but yourself to blame and complain about if you are so soft that your feelings get hurt. If you can't handle it, go somewhere else. If you need to worship Apple in a sterile environment, this isn't the place.
If you can't handle someone having a different view than the Apple Gods bestowed on you, go to the Apple Discussions page.
If you come here, understand that everyone has an opinion. And your opinion is no more valid than theirs. It is their rights that are infringed when you try to shut them up. Your right is to accept their valid opinion, or go somewhere else. You can express your opinion. But you have no right to try and silence their opinion.
If you worked as an engineer at Apple, then the iPhone would be 4x as thick... the iPad would be twice as thick, and every computer would be like the 2006 Macbook Pro... and that's not the direction the industry nor technology are going. Keep up, or move aside. One Port = One Purpose is a dead concept, if you want the old technology, you and Craigslist\eBay are going to be seeing a lot of each other in the future.