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12" Macbook - Get Over It!
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Okay people, this has got to stop.
This is NOT an Air. It is not marketed as an Air.....it is not supposed to be an Air. It is a Macbook. Notice there is no Air in there. It is a separate product line. Do NOT complain about this product because another product lacks a feature you want. That is not how it works.
We all get it, you want retina in the Air product line. But that is....a....different....product.....line
Do you know for a fact that they are NOT working on a retina air? Eventually everything will be retina once technology allows it.
You will get your retina air.
Stop treating this as if it was an Air. It is not. This is like saying the Air sucks compared to the macbook pro. What would you guys say if I said this?
"The macbook air sucks since it does not have 15" or does not have the 750m. Instead of updating the retina Macbook Pro, they should add the 750m to the air!"
This is NOT an Air. It is not marketed as an Air.....it is not supposed to be an Air. It is a Macbook. Notice there is no Air in there. It is a separate product line. Do NOT complain about this product because another product lacks a feature you want. That is not how it works.
We all get it, you want retina in the Air product line. But that is....a....different....product.....line
Do you know for a fact that they are NOT working on a retina air? Eventually everything will be retina once technology allows it.
You will get your retina air.
Stop treating this as if it was an Air. It is not. This is like saying the Air sucks compared to the macbook pro. What would you guys say if I said this?
"The macbook air sucks since it does not have 15" or does not have the 750m. Instead of updating the retina Macbook Pro, they should add the 750m to the air!"
Compare with MBA 13"
Just compare with MBA 13"
http://www.apple.com/mac/compare/results/?product1=macbook&product2=macbook-air-13
- 9-10 hours vs 12 hours
- usb C vs. 2 usb 3 + 1 thunderbolt 2 port
- facetime vs facetime HD camera (surprisingly)
- no SDXC slot
Just a thought, the new macbook will become the non-pro macbook (compared to rMBP). So far, I can see the screen is the main factor. If you are ok with the MBA screen, MBA will serve more with less price.
Just compare with MBA 13"
http://www.apple.com/mac/compare/results/?product1=macbook&product2=macbook-air-13
- 9-10 hours vs 12 hours
- usb C vs. 2 usb 3 + 1 thunderbolt 2 port
- facetime vs facetime HD camera (surprisingly)
- no SDXC slot
Just a thought, the new macbook will become the non-pro macbook (compared to rMBP). So far, I can see the screen is the main factor. If you are ok with the MBA screen, MBA will serve more with less price.
When will ...
You guys realise there isn't the perfect computer yeah??
Not a single one does everything everyone wants.
Every computer design is full of compromises to acheive a specific goal. There is literally no point in getting upset when something is not what you want. That is always going to be the case whatever is available, and every computer buy is going to be a selection of compromises.
In this case need more power and ports buy an Air and accept the screen and the low price. or buy an rMBp and accept it's slightly thicker and heavier and more expensive.
Or even, and I know this is controversial, buy something from another manufacturer.
You guys realise there isn't the perfect computer yeah??
Not a single one does everything everyone wants.
Every computer design is full of compromises to acheive a specific goal. There is literally no point in getting upset when something is not what you want. That is always going to be the case whatever is available, and every computer buy is going to be a selection of compromises.
In this case need more power and ports buy an Air and accept the screen and the low price. or buy an rMBp and accept it's slightly thicker and heavier and more expensive.
Or even, and I know this is controversial, buy something from another manufacturer.
So, because I think the Air is thin enough at .11-.68" I'd design a 4x thicker iPhone? Hyperbole and exaggeration are not your friends if you want your points to be taken seriously.
Most people would agree that there's a balance to be struck between decreasing the physical dimensions on a device and maintaining functionality. I and many others feel that balance would have been better struck by tweaking the Air than by introducing a new product that gives up a lot more functionality for a little more size/weight reduction. If you feel differently then so be it.
That said, I'm now excusing myself from this discussion because I can tell from the tone of your posts that this isn't headed anywhere productive.
I think this Macbook is gorgeous and is the perfect laptop/Mac OSX tool for a 40+ crowd who are never, ever bothered about USB ports and other Pro user additions.
The screen will wow them, the processing is perfectly fine for their WORD and Internet stuff and the SSD will be like super tech to them.
The screen will wow them, the processing is perfectly fine for their WORD and Internet stuff and the SSD will be like super tech to them.
I'm gonna buy this thing. I am more toward light and retina than heavy and more ports. I bring power adapter and cord everywhere in my bag with my laptop anyway, so adding one more tiny adapter/converter will not be a burden. But I think I will buy a good third party one - not Apple. $1299 for Apple. That's it. The rest of my money will go to other companies. They need profit too, right?
I just don't understand why Apple put a can-do-all port on the left (i.e., USB-C) and put can-only-do-one-thing port on the right (i.e. 3.5mm headphone jack) ? Would it be better if they put can-do-all port on both side, and sell USB-C or BT headphone for more profit? Anyway, I am not Apple engineer and I do not know what was the reason behind their decision. Probably will never know. Just either accept what they offer or mumbling and leave.
I just don't understand why Apple put a can-do-all port on the left (i.e., USB-C) and put can-only-do-one-thing port on the right (i.e. 3.5mm headphone jack) ? Would it be better if they put can-do-all port on both side, and sell USB-C or BT headphone for more profit? Anyway, I am not Apple engineer and I do not know what was the reason behind their decision. Probably will never know. Just either accept what they offer or mumbling and leave.
None of your post is factual evidence, it is subjective opinion.
I have been considering iPads with keyboard cases for a specific application at work. I think the new MacBook will be better and potentially improve our workflow and portability. I don't need a single connection for this application, so if they bring out a version of the MacBook that uses wireless charging and does away with the single usbc port that would also be fine with me.
So don't presume that your needs are the same as everyone else's, and if you say you are going to respond with factual evidence, maybe you should consider, you know, actually linking to some factual evidence in your post?
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Greg99
I have the 2014 11" i5 MBA and if your 2011 model is the 11" I would say my processor is a bit faster than yours. I would also bet the M processor of the runs about as fast, or faster, than the 2011 11" MBA.
The point is I use VM Ware and it works just fine. I expect to do the same with the 12" rMB.
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Isamillis
It's not a 13" it's a 12" and the better comparison is with those who would buy the 11" MBA.
Why do people keep confusing this.
I have the 2014 11" i5 MBA and if your 2011 model is the 11" I would say my processor is a bit faster than yours. I would also bet the M processor of the runs about as fast, or faster, than the 2011 11" MBA.
The point is I use VM Ware and it works just fine. I expect to do the same with the 12" rMB.
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Isamillis
It's not a 13" it's a 12" and the better comparison is with those who would buy the 11" MBA.
Why do people keep confusing this.
Clearly you don't know the definition of garbage.
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There's never any productivity when someone aggressively attacks a product not designed for them. I could go on and on about how awful the Volkswagen Beetle is... but it's a silly argument... the car wasn't designed for me.
You can eat cake when the Macbook sells like hot cakes.
Thanks for excusing yourself. You'll be (not) missed.
Time will tell. I guarantee they will sell these faster than they can make them and people will stand in line for more. I predict that this is another iPad (the original one) or Air (the original version): something that people here make fun of, something that sells well in spite of its limitations, and something that matures in a few iterations to a genuine classic.
Or it could flop - but I bet it doesn't.
I hope I don't have to wait. I will stay up to pre order. Can't wait to get rid of these archaic, antiquated bricks, 15.4 and 13.3 MacBook Pro retinas and get the new gold macbook.
This is word poetry my friend! A retina display with a possible bezel reduction on the current Air series would have been perfection. The reason the Air is so perfect is it has enough power for those that need it, but is still light enough to be the perfect ultra book. They could have even redesigned it just slightly while keeping room for the current MagSafe, 2 usb, and one sd card setup.
So very close to perfection. That's why we are disappointed. Sure the new mb is a good looking machine. It's just less capable than the Air which costs 400 less.
Had it been priced at 800 or so, the reaction wouldn't be what it is. Retina is nice but many of the current Air owners are not going to buy a 1300 dollar machine that does less than what they currently have.
They put 8 gb of ram and 256ssd in it to justify the 1300 price tag. A 4/128 base model for 899 would sell like hot cakes. Instead, college students and people on a budget will continue to buy the Air. The only real market I see for this new MB at its current price point is the business professional who wants an ultra portable for travel to keep up with email and such, and doesn't mind spending 1300 plus for a travel machine. Not to be that guy, but that's entirely too much for something so limited.
This MB was designed as the answer to those who need iPad portability but need OS X. That's great in theory but it should be priced to match its purpose. Pricing it the same as a base model retina pro was a mistake.
Its an above average screen considering its not HiDPI, but HiDPI is like SSD. Once you've used it you can never go back.
Im afraid that's probably not going to happen. They aren't going to have an "Air" that's heavier and thicker than the MacBook. This new MB will eventually replace the Air. It's very obvious, by Apple not updating the Air to retina or force touch trackpad it sends the clear message that the Air will be going the way of the cMBP.
That's meaningless when it comes to Apple products because its going to sell regardless of how bad it is.
Apple could package up what I snapped off into my toilet this morning and it would "sell like hot cakes".
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This exactly.
People would not be so critical of Macbook but for this issue. It's blindingly obvious that this is going to replace MBA over the next few years.
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It's either:
1. A very expensive, very, very nice looking Apple netbook, or;
2. A very expensive iPad running OS X with a keyboard.
People dropped $1800 back in 2008 for the original Air. Talk about a travel machine. Speaking of limited, it came with a whole 2GB of RAM and an 80GB HDD. No upgrade option for either.
That was $200 less than a 15" MacBook Pro back then.
The new MacBook is $700 less than today's 15" MacBook Pro.
Today's business professionals have it easy!
There's never any productivity when someone aggressively attacks a product not designed for them. I could go on and on about how awful the Volkswagen Beetle is... but it's a silly argument... the car wasn't designed for me.
You can eat cake when the Macbook sells like hot cakes.
Thanks for excusing yourself. You'll be (not) missed.
I should know better than to let myself get trolled back into this discussion, but...
I never went on about how awful the Macbook is. I suggested that an alternate path (add retina to the Air) would have resulted in a better product. The fact that you would characterize that as "aggressively attacking" tells me (in combination with your earlier ad hominems, exaggerations, and absurdities) that, for some reason, you feel incredibly defensive about this inanimate piece of technology and are not interested in a rational discussion about it.
I don't doubt that the Macbook will sell well -- almost all of Apple's products do. I DO doubt that it will sell better than a retina Air would have, and that it will provide as good of a user experience. But since Apple didn't make that product, we'll never know.
This is fun, I'll give my opinion.
I've tried more than 10 different tablets. I've played with iPads (1, 2, 3, 4, Air, Air 2), iPad Minis (1, 2), MS Surface (2, 3), Galaxy 7, 8, 10, HP Stream 7, Dell Venue 8 Pro, Galaxy 8 Note, Nexus 7, Nexus 7 2nd gen.
After all this, I decided that I'm not a tablet guy. I want a laptop, but I want it as small as a tablet with a keyboard and trackpad permanently connected.
Apple just granted my wish, and I'll be trying it out. Thanks!
I've tried more than 10 different tablets. I've played with iPads (1, 2, 3, 4, Air, Air 2), iPad Minis (1, 2), MS Surface (2, 3), Galaxy 7, 8, 10, HP Stream 7, Dell Venue 8 Pro, Galaxy 8 Note, Nexus 7, Nexus 7 2nd gen.
After all this, I decided that I'm not a tablet guy. I want a laptop, but I want it as small as a tablet with a keyboard and trackpad permanently connected.
Apple just granted my wish, and I'll be trying it out. Thanks!
This is another one of those "it is what you make of it" type of situations.
I totally agree with the thread title and have a hard time understanding how this one MacBook has caused such an uproar amongst some people. I'm all for expressing your opinion and your dissatisfaction for something, but it does come to a point when you have to let things go.
I don't agree with everything Apple does and everything they release. We experienced the same thing when they released the 21.5" iMac with laptop internals as well as the $499 Mac Mini, but people have to understand and recognize when a product was not meant for them. No company can ever make one single product that appeals to everybody, and this same thing applies here.
Its really really simple. Either this MacBook is for you and meets your needs or it doesn't. Its one thing if Apple made it out to be something it wasn't, but they didn't. They marketed the MacBook at a certain market, just like the gold Apple Watch, and thats who they intended it for. You either fit or you don't.
I said this before and I'll say it again. If you don't like, don't buy. Really simple. Now, something to be truly upset or concerned about is Apple lightening up on their quality.
The main thing I truly fear for Apple is to get to the point where they're so successful and have so much money that they don't think they need to keep doing the things that made them successfully anymore. The day Apple basically pulls a Call of Duty and decides that they can release whatever they want in whatever quality they feel like and slap an Apple logo on it and people will buy it because of who they are is the day I fear. Thats something to have an uproar about.
I totally agree with the thread title and have a hard time understanding how this one MacBook has caused such an uproar amongst some people. I'm all for expressing your opinion and your dissatisfaction for something, but it does come to a point when you have to let things go.
I don't agree with everything Apple does and everything they release. We experienced the same thing when they released the 21.5" iMac with laptop internals as well as the $499 Mac Mini, but people have to understand and recognize when a product was not meant for them. No company can ever make one single product that appeals to everybody, and this same thing applies here.
Its really really simple. Either this MacBook is for you and meets your needs or it doesn't. Its one thing if Apple made it out to be something it wasn't, but they didn't. They marketed the MacBook at a certain market, just like the gold Apple Watch, and thats who they intended it for. You either fit or you don't.
I said this before and I'll say it again. If you don't like, don't buy. Really simple. Now, something to be truly upset or concerned about is Apple lightening up on their quality.
The main thing I truly fear for Apple is to get to the point where they're so successful and have so much money that they don't think they need to keep doing the things that made them successfully anymore. The day Apple basically pulls a Call of Duty and decides that they can release whatever they want in whatever quality they feel like and slap an Apple logo on it and people will buy it because of who they are is the day I fear. Thats something to have an uproar about.
Wouldn't that have resulted in a product that had lesser battery-life and potentially more weight?
I don't think you'll find that everyone would call that a better product.
Solar charging is not reliable at this point. I have good experience with mobile solar charging devices and I can easily say there is a reason no company has launched a product (computer or phone) that is rechargeable by solar energy.
This technology will not be available anytime soon.
And would have reduced Apple's margin. There is a reason why this rMB showed up at $1299..