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I lived in the Windows world for the last thirty years thinking all Apple owners were totally crazy. Then I bought an iPhone 6 and joined the ranks. Now after reading this thread I am more positive than ever that all Apple owners are totally crazy, myself included.
 
I went out and bought a 12W charger from Walmart, it's made by Gryphon and it has a 2.4 rated output. They included their own cable but I stuck with my Anker 6ft cable.

There is a significant difference in charging times compared to the included Apple charger my 6+ came with, it only takes an hour to charge compared to 2+.

The trade off is it weakens the touchid sensor while in use. But I only charge my phone at night with it, during the day if I'm about to go out or something after work I'll use the apple charger.
 
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I think a higher watt charger helps but looking at this it goes a lil over 1.1 amp even though the charger can do 2.4
 
Hi guys

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My iPhone was between 48% and 51% battery level while taking these pictures. An original Apple Lightning cable was used.
1) 12 watt original Apple iPad Air charger - 10.4 watt
2) 5 watt original Apple iPhone charger - 6.8 watt
3) 5 watt garmin gps watch charger - 7.1 watt
4) 25 watt 5 port photive charger from amazon - 11 watt

Now compare the wattage sucked when I use a cheap china lightning cable (not one where you get these "This accessory may not be supported." warning!)

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Cheap china lightning cable (from sw-box) - 8.2 watt

The iPhone 6 plus charging controller seem to recognise the fake cable..

So the iPhone 6 plus charges faster using a >5 watt charger, assumed you use an original cable. Charging speed won't double, but it's definitely faster.

Thanks for reading.
 
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Hi guys

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My iPhone was between 48% and 51% battery level while taking these pictures. An original Apple Lightning cable was used.
1) 12 watt original Apple iPad Air charger - 10.4 watt
2) 5 watt original Apple iPhone charger - 6.8 watt
3) 5 watt garmin gps watch charger - 7.1 watt
4) 25 watt 5 port photive charger from amazon - 11 watt

Now compare the wattage sucked when I use a cheap china lightning cable (not one where you get these "This accessory may not be supported." warning!)

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Cheap china lightning cable (from sw-box) - 8.2 watt

The iPhone 6 plus charging controller seem to recognise the fake cable..

So the iPhone 6 plus charges faster using a >5 watt charger, assumed you use an original cable. Charging speed won't double, but it's definitely faster.

Thanks for reading.

I noticed a similar thing with the old 30 pin connector when charging my ipads. Some cheaper cables couldn't prove the necessary current and the ipad would either take an extremely long time to charge or even say "not charging" I don't think that the iPhone is recognizing the cheaper cable though, I think the cheaper cable is physically not capable of moving the same amount of current.
 
I noticed a similar thing with the old 30 pin connector when charging my ipads. Some cheaper cables couldn't prove the necessary current and the ipad would either take an extremely long time to charge or even say "not charging" I don't think that the iPhone is recognizing the cheaper cable though, I think the cheaper cable is physically not capable of moving the same amount of current.

There is an authentication chip in every lightning cable - that's what's making these guys expensive.

A cable just burns if you provide more current than it's designed for. So it's definitely the job of the charger to put an upper limit on current output but basically provides what the consumer asks for - charge controllers also reduce the current input when battery charge reaches 100% (I asume it's for battery health reasons?).
 
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There is an authentication chip in every lightning cable - that's what's making these guys expensive.

A cable just burns if you provide more current than it's designed for. So it's definitely the job of the charger to put an upper limit on current output but basically provides what the consumer asks for - charge controllers also reduce the current input when battery charge reaches 100% (I asume it's for battery health reasons?).

Obviously the charger puts a limit on it as does the phone, i'm saying when the charger and phone are a constant, and the cable is the variable, it's not the phone saying "gotcha" and lowering the current compared to another cable. Like I said, I've seen the exact same behavior when running OEM vs cheap 30 pin cables that have no such chip.

It's a similar concept with cable length, take a lightening cable or USB cable and extended it, plug in a device that needs some juice on the end and again, you'll see the same result. The cable does not go up in flames, but the added length causes enough resistance that the device on the other end receives less current and charges slower. In the case of USB devices, many will malfunction. External hard drives are a great example of this, many will start clicking because there isn't enough juice to get them to spin up when the USB cable is too long. Again, the cable doesn't go up in flames.

Another example? Jump starting a car, if you have cheaper jumper cables it often times cannot provide enough current to turn the dead car over unless the battery in that car has some power left it in to assist. Again, the cable does not go up in flames.

Now what could be happening is when the phone is initially plugged in it recognizes it cannot draw the 10-12 watts it potentially could if the supporting charger/cable cannot provide it and adjust itself accordingly, but it would be because the supporting hardware isn't capable not because it's upset that the cable isn't one made by Apple.
 
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Iphone 6 get higher charger rate by ipad charger??!!

i tried to charge iphone 6 by using ipad charger ...when my iphone 6 battery life was 30%..however, the current is around 0.9-1A only , same as normal iphone charger!! so strange !!

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i tried to charge iphone 6 by using ipad charger ...when my iphone 6 battery life was 30%..however, the current is around 0.9-1A only , same as normal iphone charger!! so strange !!
 
Ok, but according to the specs of your phone, it can/will only ever draw 5W, whether you've got a 5, 10, or 12W charger plugged in to it.

It's got to be placebo, but the only way to test is to charge from empty using the 5W and then the 12 charger.

The 12W charger will charge 5 and 5s phones faster given these circumstances. The charge to the battery is max at 5W but if phone is on, radios going, then using a 5W charger means you don't get all 5W going to charge batteries. Some is used to run phone.

By using 12W charger the battery charging gets full 5W even as phones draws power to run radios in standby. If you use phone, screen is on, using 12W charger even more useful as battery still gets 5W and phone gets all it needs. Probably get warm though.

The 6 and 6 Plus can direct all 12W to charge battery. On any of the phones if you want them to charge battery the fastest either turn them off completely when charging or put them in airplane mode, no radios working, turn off wifi and Bluetooth, and don't have screen on. That way all power available from whatever charger will go to charging batteries and nothing else.

Remember the phone in standby still has radios going. Depending on apps and settings these can be powering every few minutes. So while it is true that older phones can only charge 5W maximum, you never get full 5W for battery charging if phone is on in any way.

Using only apple chargers and cables. I know for a fact that using iPad charger on my 5s it charged faster. The 6 Plus I now have charges even faster using the iPad charger. And I have tried it and found that with either charger I get the fastest charge when I put the phone in airplane mode when charging. IPad also charges faster in airplane mode.
 
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I think this helps. This is on the iPhone 6 with the Max charger (2.4 amp). It draws a little over 1 amp
 
Hek said:
Using only apple chargers and cables. I know for a fact that using iPad charger on my 5s it charged faster.

That's simply not technically possible.

If you put 2 x 5S' side by side that were both on 0% charged, and you started charging them at exactly the same time, one with a standard 5w charger and 1 with a 12w IPad charger, they'd both reach 100% at pretty much the same time.

A 5S that charging faster using an iPad charger is simply placebo.

Hek said:
The 6 Plus I now have charges even faster using the iPad charger.

Yes, because that's by design. It has the internals to draw a higher charge, unlike any iPhones before it.

And I have tried it and found that with either charger I get the fastest charge when I put the phone in airplane mode when charging. IPad also charges faster in airplane mode.

Correct, but that's just simply because if you're using it, you're draining what you're tyring to replenish (like drinking a glass of water through a straw, while somebody is trying to fill it up).

You stop drinking, the level goes up faster. ;)
 
That's simply not technically possible.

If you put 2 x 5S' side by side that were both on 0% charged, and you started charging them at exactly the same time, one with a standard 5w charger and 1 with a 12w IPad charger, they'd both reach 100% at pretty much the same time.

A 5S that charging faster using an iPad charger is simply placebo.



Yes, because that's by design. It has the internals to draw a higher charge, unlike any iPhones before it.



Correct, but that's just simply because if you're using it, you're draining what you're tyring to replenish (like drinking a glass of water through a straw, while somebody is trying to fill it up).

You stop drinking, the level goes up faster. ;)

It most certainly is technically possible, given the following conditions. I agree with your first scenario, that no difference will be seen if all you are doing is charging the battery. That is if the two 5s iPhones are turned off, they both will charge at the maximum allowed which is at the smaller charger's rate and nothing more, by design. However my point, to which you agree in your later point, is that with additional draw from radios, phone, data, gps, that happens in background. The smaller charger does not put out enough to both charge battery at max and run other features. Depending on what apps you have, and how they are set, there can be a lot going on in standby. Calls are being made, data passed back and forth as the phone sits quietly trying to charge. Point in fact, most people would be surprised at how much their phone may be doing, spilling it's guts so to speak without you realizing it.

Since most people will charge their phone in standby, they will see a faster battery recharge using the iPad charger. The iPad charger has enough output to both charge battery at the maximum 5s rate and run radios, gps at same time in back ground.

That is why, I and others have witnessed a faster recharge of the 5s using the iPad charger. This is not a placebo as you suggest. I had measured this when I still had my 5s, and I did not imagine the results. Also note that this will vary due to each individual's location, situation. If you have many apps doing things in back ground during standby, and have apps that broadcast gps in standby, and are in a low signal area such that phone's radios need to broadcast at higher power. That situation will show the most reduced battery charging time using iPad charger because so much power is being consumed from the normal charger on non-battery functions little power is left over for actually charging the battery.

In a sense both parties are correct when saying the 5s does not charge faster, and that it does charge faster using iPad charger. It depends on what else the charger is supporting during the charge. A purist may argue that maximum charging capability for 5s is the 5-6W put out by iPnone charge cube, which is true. Yet the iPad charger WILL IN FACT charge batteries faster under normal (phone in standby) charging conditions because it has enough capacity to power all other function while simultaneously charging the battery at maximum rate. The iPhone cube charger DOES NOT AND CAN NOT both charge at maximum rate and run radios at the same time, and will take longer to charge the batteries under this, usual for most, situation.

For those people placing current draw meters on their charge cable, they also must keep this multiple use of current for charging and radios in mind. Also be aware that battery charge demand by the IPhone circuits varies depending on battery charge state. The phone will demand the full allowed current when battery is very low, 0-5% and will reduce this draw as battery becomes more fully charged. At near 100%, the draw will cycle on and off at just a trickle charge. Apple has engineered the phone, Chargers, and cables to maximize battery life, and idiot proof the charging. You won't hurt your battery, using iPad charger, nor help by only trickle charging. All the charging options allowed are well within best charging practices for LI batteries. Battery University discusses scenarios at extremes of charging, which Apple design does not get anywhere near. The one thing to watch is temperature. Charging with iPad charger, when battery is very low, while playing processor intensive game, with full screen brightness, while Facebook is messaging every 30 seconds in a low signal strength area, will turn your phone into a nice heater. Bad for any LI battery. Have it in a nice tight case to boot and I dare say this is not friendly to your battery life. ��
 
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Can I use this for charging iPhone 6 Plus? What is 5V, 9V for? It is my Zenfone 2 charger.
 
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Can I use this for charging iPhone 6 Plus? What is 5V, 9V for? It is my Zenfone 2 charger.
You better not fiddle with this particular Zenfone2 charger for charing your ip8+.

I've digged the info that these Zenfone2s are sold in two different price levels. The cheaper one comes with a standard 5.2Vdc 1.32A USB (travel) type charger. The more expensive version comes with the charger you have shown above and is said: "The lower cost model also doesn’t feature the 9V / 2A QuickCharger with BoostMaster technology that promises to charge this phones 3000mAh battery from dead to a 60% charge in under 40 minutes.
Read more at http://www.legitreviews.com/asus-ze...powered-smartphone_163952#fdOKzLOIDItlkfVL.99"

Those Zenfone2s probably have their own integrated charger control circuitry that will allow external charging voltage like that high 9Vdc but the iP6/6+ is not designed that way.
 
Are yu very very sure? % 1000 (not 100) positive? Or, for the better, have you tested it yourself?

With the iPhone it will charge at the 5v at 2a spec. The 9v at 2a spec is for the Qualcom QuickCharge spec.

If it has a usb-a female plug it has to conform to the usb standard, and therefore will be of no danger to your device (generic products excluded).
 
I went out and bought a 12W charger from Walmart, it's made by Gryphon and it has a 2.4 rated output. They included their own cable but I stuck with my Anker 6ft cable.

There is a significant difference in charging times compared to the included Apple charger my 6+ came with, it only takes an hour to charge compared to 2+.

The trade off is it weakens the touchid sensor while in use. But I only charge my phone at night with it, during the day if I'm about to go out or something after work I'll use the apple charger.

Well wait a minute lets step back. So you bought a 12W 2.4A charger to charge you phone at night while you sleep (basically) because you know you want it to charge up fast (I sleep for at least 8 hours YMMV) and use the old slower 6W while your at work, correct? I got to tell yeah I think you have it backwards.
 
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With the iPhone it will charge at the 5v at 2a spec. The 9v at 2a spec is for the Qualcom QuickCharge spec.

If it has a usb-a female plug it has to conform to the usb standard, and therefore will be of no danger to your device (generic products excluded).
So what you mean is that, as one has to plug in a USB-A connector cable at one end and the Lightning socket at the other hand, the 5volt/9volt charger will sense it's an Apple and will start charging on 5Vdc/2A at its output? Yeah, if so, sounds reasonable. But in my humble opinion, charge an iPhone either with the genuine Apple chargers (preferably with the fatter 12Vdc/2.4A one) or using a MFi 3rd party 2.1A/2.4A charger (e.g. Belkin, Hama, Anker, Atwizz etc.).
 
BS! Ever since the 4S, all my iPhones have charged noticeably faster on the 10/12watt iPad chargers.

Not sure what Azzin's agenda is in the claim that pre-iPhone 6's don't charge any faster. Do your own test...it's perfectly safe.
The proof it's not true is right in the post. Lol
 
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