Yeah like I say nice to have but if I had the choice I would rather it be an Ethernet port. I hope nobody would argue that Ethernet is outdated.
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13-Inch MacBook Pro Said to Remain in Apple's Lineup With New Model Planned
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Yeah like I say nice to have but if I had the choice I would rather it be an Ethernet port. I hope nobody would argue that Ethernet is outdated.
That's just for on sale, and the M1 model isn't gonna last forever. That's why I'm thinking after it's gone, they take the wedge design and turn it into a Macbook SE. A lot of first time Mac users coming from PC love the wedge design so it would really win a lot of people over to have an M3 Macbook SE for $800 MSRP
That's not a laptop. That's a landmine. Take it from a PC Gamer like me, any laptop that's $500 is purposely designed bad so after a year or two the cooling gives out so you have to buy a new cheap laptop constantly.
I had one of those laptops during my Freshman and Sophmore year in college. The fan died after a year that I had to use a cooling pad under it just to get it to boot. I had to get an MSI Apache Pro shortly after just so I could have a laptop that wouldn't die on me.
Of course now I switched to Mac for my laptop and I'm gonna be picking fruit computers for my laptops in the future. With Apple Silicon, unless you're a PC gamer who wants something for LAN parties, there's no reason to buy anything other than a Macbook now.
So we just gonna ignore the better display on the 14 inch? The 13 inch is 1080p60 LED with IPS backlight, while the 14 inch is 1440p120 with MiniLED. That is a very noticable difference for the most important factor of a laptop, all just to have a touchbar.
Ohh ok. So I guess you enjoy working from home, which warrants the need to remove ports that other folks actually have some use of. Good on you. Sales number clearly wont line up with your opinion for sure.
It started strong because of the change from intel to Apple silicon and because many people were waiting long to change their laptops. Now sales have decreased, besides if Apple is planning a new model for the 13” it’s because there is a demand that is not satisfied with the current MBP, otherwise they would have axed it.
'Okay stop'. A port on the side of the computer that serves a single function and most people will use very infrequently is an outdated concept. I'd much rather have multiple thunderbolt ports that can deliver 40Gb/s and be used to drive a display or do any number of other things including being daisy chained and connecting multiple devices at the same time. And the latest M2 machines have HDMI 2.1, but the M1 Pro/Max models are HDMI 2.0
Maybe read a few of the other commentators on here, seems quite a few people like/miss the Touch Bar.
You must be a bad typist. I use my laptop for coding and am typing on it literally all day long. Never had a problem.
'Okay stop.' The 14 inch MacBook Pro is actually thinner than the 13" Pro model, maybe do your research before posting. The 13 just looks thinner because the edges taper. (13" is 1.56cm and 14" is 1.55cm)
Depends what you mean by 'pro'. If a pro machine is a machine that is designed to be used by professionals then there are many people using the 13" MacBook Pro professionally (including me), and many companies that still provide it to their employees.
If by 'pro' you mean that it's got to be the fastest machine Apple offers, then surely the only 'pro' machines are the laptops equipped with M2 Max chips? Maybe Apple should remove all the markings on their devices and instead just have the model nomenclature displayed in the 'About this Mac'? Then to please people like you, they could remove the pro word from the shiny Mac you purchased last year when they release a newer model?
Yes, I'm one of them. The notch is a compromise, plain and simple. Whilst many people appear happy with the tradeoff, there are also people like me who still want their laptops to look good. I totally accept that there are also people out there that think the notch looks great, so to them the new design is a win. I would like a better webcam, but I also don't mind the top bezel on the 13", in fact I don't see why the entire top assembly has to be edge to edge display, I think it looks a bit tacky and unfortunately its what all the cheap laptops from China do, like the Xiaomi Book Air 13, that has a 13" OLED display, even they managed to squeeze an 8MP camera into the tiny bezel (come on Apple!).
No, still a compromise.
'now'? Except its the same size keyboard as the 13" M1/M2 model, its just got function keys rather than a Touch Bar.
I'll agree with you about the butterfly keyboard, it was not a great design. Although I'm interested that you detest the 13" MacBook Pro so much but have actually never had one, and in fact the 14" is your first Mac, welcome to the club and its no wonder you say its best laptop you've ever used if its your first Mac!
Shame you never tried it, maybe then your objections would have some validity! But enjoy your MacBook Pro 14", it's still a great laptop and much better than anything that isn't running Mac OS.
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That both machines measure almost the same proves that de 2016 model is better since people think that it’s thinner even though it’s not. That’s why good design matters.
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if they had an option to make the function keys on the new 14" half height and put a touch bar on top I'd actually kind of want that.
So you must have never realised how you can use your wifi network at home in the first place. Spoiler, an Ethernet cable is routed to your home for your High speed wifi network.
Otherwise they’d axed it? They had the best chance to axe it on apple Silicon release but they didn’t, just like they could’ve limit macOS app install to Mac App Store only on Big Sur but they didn’t Do so. And I don’t think there’s any demand for that 13” unless there are more than 2 USB-C ports.
I think you may have been confused by the phrasing. I don’t think Ethernet is outdated. I hope no one would say it shouldn't be on a laptop just because it's an old port.
oh sorry I misread it. Should’ve paid more attention. My apology.
Great tough, is just that, I miss it everyday whey I have to use a external keyboard
I know at least 3 people that had bought the 13” mbp over the 14”.
When the touchbar introduced the option to have F keys as default the issue was closed. But Apple couldn’t recognize that since they are not a product company anymore, they wanted to “satisfy” their clients, forgetting how many times Steve dumped technologies that were done because he knew that in the tech world you have to push forward.
Just because of that ”disgusting“ HDMI port, SD card slot and MagSafe, despite 14” still having one more USB-C than 13”?
My 13” MBP has been on one adapter 24*7 and need to use a second one without ability to charge just because there are only two USB-C ports. Wonderful laptop I know.
13” Air = Macbook 13” Mini
15” Air = Macbook 15” SE
13” Pro = Macbook 13” Gimpi SE
14” Pro = Macbook 14”
16” Pro = Macbook 16” Pro Max XS
The reason the latest Macbooks "only" have three USB-C ports is that there is not enough bandwidth left for a 4th port. There is not a single laptop on the entire market that has four Thunderbolt 4 ports that can run at full speed simultaneously, and isn't also impaired by one of these ports being used for charging (whereas on the Macs the ports are actually free due to Magsafe).
Even with 4 port Intel Macbooks two ports share the bandwidth. The current Macbooks have a 50% higher combined throughput than the Intel ones before, the total is now 3x40Gbps instead of the previous 2x40Gbps.
I have a small bus-powered USB-C adapter that turns a single USB-C port into 4 ports, each limited to 10Gbps (USB 3.1 Gen2), I think it uses this chipset: https://www.via-labs.com/product_show.php?id=99
That gives me plenty additional ports for lower-bandwidth devices and still leaves two full speed ports free. If that isn't enough you can get yet another one of these adapters to turn 2 ports into 8 - still leaving you with two display outputs, and if you want you can get even more ports and yet another display output through a Thunderbolt dock.
The amount of I/O we have on the current Macbooks is honestly quite insane and on par with desktop workstations in similar price ranges. For example I found the expensive ASUS ProArt Z790 that offers a "massive" 2 Thunderbolt ports with no mention anywhere even in the full user manual that these aren't combined 40Gbps on a single controller. In fact, the website say "up to 40Gbps" so these two ports likely share the bandwidth.
There is a reason why the Mac Studio with the M1 Max has 2xTB and 2xUSB instead of 4xTB like the Ultra. The USB-C ports are there, but they are limited to 10Gbps on the M1 Max. Why? Not enough bandwidth.
Even with 4 port Intel Macbooks two ports share the bandwidth. The current Macbooks have a 50% higher combined throughput than the Intel ones before, the total is now 3x40Gbps instead of the previous 2x40Gbps.
I have a small bus-powered USB-C adapter that turns a single USB-C port into 4 ports, each limited to 10Gbps (USB 3.1 Gen2), I think it uses this chipset: https://www.via-labs.com/product_show.php?id=99
That gives me plenty additional ports for lower-bandwidth devices and still leaves two full speed ports free. If that isn't enough you can get yet another one of these adapters to turn 2 ports into 8 - still leaving you with two display outputs, and if you want you can get even more ports and yet another display output through a Thunderbolt dock.
The amount of I/O we have on the current Macbooks is honestly quite insane and on par with desktop workstations in similar price ranges. For example I found the expensive ASUS ProArt Z790 that offers a "massive" 2 Thunderbolt ports with no mention anywhere even in the full user manual that these aren't combined 40Gbps on a single controller. In fact, the website say "up to 40Gbps" so these two ports likely share the bandwidth.
There is a reason why the Mac Studio with the M1 Max has 2xTB and 2xUSB instead of 4xTB like the Ultra. The USB-C ports are there, but they are limited to 10Gbps on the M1 Max. Why? Not enough bandwidth.
Precisely because theres little development cost. The chassis, packaging, and tooling were already capitalized. They (more or less) just swap in a newer chip to gain more incremental revenue.