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Mutually-exclusive colour-coded categories. The Mac Mini should be yellow, not its own class. :p

Ah right lolol

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Hi Andy,

It would make sense to launch these two together. One could be the announcement and the other would be the "one more thing" :D

Well, first of all, Apple can't release an rMBA because the Airs don't have enough space for a bigger battery and a fatter display.

Second, I agree that a 13" rMBP could take away sales from the 13" MBA. But it will definitely completely kill off the 13" MBP. Which is as Apple planned it: it's clear they did nothing except the absolute minimum to disguise that the 13" was a dying product that happened to bring in loads of cash. Exchange the motherboard for IVB ? Sure, now we're updating everything to IVB. we can do that at the same time. Update the display or anything else ? No way. Easy money while the engineering resources are focused on the real follow-up: the 13" rMBP.

I expect the 13" MBP without retina to continue existing until the sales numbers don't make it worthwhile anymore, which could be as early as Q1 2013. The product line will then be a 13" MBA starting at €1280 and the 13" rMBP starting from possibly €1600 (8GB/256GB). The 15" MBP will continue in retina and non-retina versions as it does at the moment.

Peter.

Good point about the Air and battery size/display... maybe as technology improves, they would consider putting a retina display in there when they dont need so much power/space. There does seem to be a blurring of the distinction between MBP and Air... I think eventually the two may merge anyway.

I guess eventually, the aim will be to have every product with a retina display. They have done it with the iPhone/iPod Touch, iPad and now the rMBP. Just the rest to migrate to the technology now... I guess it will come eventually though :)
 
"Across the year you’re going to see a lot more of this kind of innovation. We are just getting started.”

-Tim Cook

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This is exactly what I keep reminding myself. This one statement told me that this is the year of the Retina Displays, and that's just the beginning. CPU advancements have been rather predictable and consistent, but it's these other innovations (hardware and software) that I think are really going to set Apple even further apart from all the rest.
 
Even if all of the predictions don't pan out, that would be an unbelievable quarter. I can't wait!
 
What is this source's actual track record? Specifically, what has he predicted in the past?

There is really no use speculating on the validity of this rumor without the answer to those questions.

Did a quick google search of KGI Research. They predicted the demise of the 17" MBP, and have made a few predictions around the new iPhone. They also thought a new MacBook would be released at WWDC between the MBA and MBP...that turned out to be sort of close to the truth.

That said, because of the incredible specificity in this article- I wouldn't be a bit surprised if this group was fed some specific information to test them for leaks. After all, Tim did say Apple is looking to regain much of Apple's secrecy.

Does anyone else remember the days (just a few years ago) when part leaks, supply chain leaks, etc... Were just hear-say and not always so reliable? To me, the turning point was when the Apple Keyboard was leaked in 2007. Since then, it's very common to see photos of new Apple products. We practically already know what the iPhone 5 will look like...

Just a hunch, but Apple could be casting out water in their boat to see where the leaky hole is.
 
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Doubt it, don't see a 13 inch Retina happening anytime soon.

Never underestimate Apples ability to upsell. It's the year of retina. Apple plans on you & everyone else, buying one to remain in Apples Good Graces.

You don't want a law suit on your hands.

Apple loves litigation... changing the world one user at a time :eek:
 
No TV?

Are the "iTV" rumors completely dead then?

Seems like no one has been interested in that stuff for a while and it's not included in that chart.

I am waiting for the iRadio - gonna be HUGE! :D
 
WTF are "screen lamination issues"? If this is true, the iMac would have some kind of new screen, because they're laminating the current ones fine enough. I'd bet on a 24" before a retina 21" or retina 27", but hey, love to be wrong.

I think they are talking about the same kind of lamination similar to PCB Lamination (correct me if I'm wrong). PCB lamination is making multi-layer (extra trace layers) printed circuit boards (PCBs). If LCD displays are having lamination issues when they haven't in the past, I would think it's the new Retina technology that's making the lamination difficult. Making much finer pixels (higher pixel density) requires much more than just making smaller pixels, there are other interesting electrical properties that occur with the higher pixel density.

I doubt Apple will start making 24" displays again. In the past it was 17", 20", and 24". If they made a 24" display, then they would have to make a larger display to differentiate from the 24", such as a 30" display. I don't think that's going to happen. I think 21" and 27" displays are pretty useful sizes.
 
Some of the designs we have are ripe for innovation (iMac design) ...

I fail to see how the imac could be improved with regards to design. It's basically just a big ass wall to wall screen with a minimal curved back panel. What else could be done other than make it a bit thinner which would be meaningless. Perhaps remove the 'chin' and make it a bit thicker?

Unless you meant specs rather than 'design'
 
Why? You have people like us waiting for our favorite Mac and you have other people waiting for the next IPhone. As you know, desktops are not a priority of any of the computer makers. HP, for example, considered getting rid of its computer division this year. I can envisioned a scenario where Apple releases the Macs with the only commentary being a press release and its web site update; then release the IPhone with their usual fanfare. Perfectly plausible.

Everyone thought that's what they'd do at WWDC since WWDC is supposed to be all about software. But the first thing they talked about was updated Macs. I could see an event this fall specific to updated Macs/iPods (and maybe Apple TV). That's assuming we see redesigns or something completely new.
 
Good point about the Air and battery size/display... maybe as technology improves, they would consider putting a retina display in there when they dont need so much power/space. There does seem to be a blurring of the distinction between MBP and Air... I think eventually the two may merge anyway.

I guess eventually, the aim will be to have every product with a retina display. They have done it with the iPhone/iPod Touch, iPad and now the rMBP. Just the rest to migrate to the technology now... I guess it will come eventually though :)

I do think that the MacBook Air could get the Retina Display as soon as the IGZO display yield issues are worked out. IGZO displays can be thinner and require less power for backlighting.
 
When are new Mac Minis coming out?

Probably falling by the wayside.

Since you need a display anyway, why not get any of the MacBooks and be mobile?

Close enough in price , especially from refurb store.

Unless I strike it rich, I will never buy another desktop model.
The iMac is still beautiful, but for what I need to do I prefer mobility.

Being able to pick up my MBP and go anyplace with it just can't be beaten.

Even the much needed one connector dock will probably never be developed as Apple removes port after port to go totally wireless.
 
Everyone thought that's what they'd do at WWDC since WWDC is supposed to be all about software. But the first thing they talked about was updated Macs. I could see an event this fall specific to updated Macs/iPods (and maybe Apple TV). That's assuming we see redesigns or something completely new.

WWDC is not about software, but about software developers, and anything that software developers need to be aware of. They needed to be aware of Macs with HiDPI displays and the consequences, and about the fact that one such Mac is now for sale. They don't need to know about the second, and the third, and any further Macintosh with Retina display.


So... They were cannibalizing their own cMBP 2012 the day they released it... Why would it stop them now?

Golden rule of successful companies: If you don't cannibalise your own product, someone else will.


I expect the 13" MBP without retina to continue existing until the sales numbers don't make it worthwhile anymore, which could be as early as Q1 2013. The product line will then be a 13" MBA starting at €1280 and the 13" rMBP starting from possibly €1600 (8GB/256GB). The 15" MBP will continue in retina and non-retina versions as it does at the moment.

It would make sense to me to have identically looking products, but the Retina 13" MBP only selling with high-end specs (8 GB, faster processor, SSD) until enough Retina displays can be produced for the whole range. With the same price as the current 13" MBP, except that you can't buy the cheap models (4 GB, slow processor, disk drive) with the Retina display for a while.


You do realise that Apple laptops (apart from the retina) has crap resolutions? If they want to keep on selling the 13" Pro (or MBA) they will have to at least upgrade their resolutions to what the competitors similar models are sporting. It would be stupid of Apple to lose ground in the segment they are selling most laptops in.

Apple doesn't have to do anything. And Apple's customers look at what their computers can do for them, not what they are "sporting".


No chance. The 15-inch RMBP will be the one and only portable Retina Mac. I can see an iMac and even a Retina external display, but smaller MacBooks? That would be stupid of Apple.

Why? It would definitely make lots of people switch from Windows laptops to Macs, and make lots of 13" owners buy a new model earlier than planned.
 
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I doubt Apple will start making 24" displays again. In the past it was 17", 20", and 24". If they made a 24" display, then they would have to make a larger display to differentiate from the 24", such as a 30" display. I don't think that's going to happen. I think 21" and 27" displays are pretty useful sizes.

Actually I could see them upping the screen size of the iMac's in the next redesign. Maybe a 23-24 and a 29-30 for the top end, but there will need to give the GPU a serious boost, at least 2Gb for the 23" model more on the bigger screen for retina to work. But they also have to keep the price points about the same as they are now.
 
Actually I could see them upping the screen size of the iMac's in the next redesign. Maybe a 23-24 and a 29-30 for the top end, but there will need to give the GPU a serious boost, at least 2Gb for the 23" model more on the bigger screen for retina to work. But they also have to keep the price points about the same as they are now.

I hadn't thought of actually upping the resolution too. The reason I didn't think Apple would start making 24" displays because there would have to be a 30" display too, is because the pixel density at the current resolutions would get too low. (Back to the ~94 PPI of the old 1920x1200 24" iMac)

But if the resolutions were increased to something like 2880x1620 (16:9) or 2880x1800 (16:10) for the 30", it would keep about the same pixel density. Then to make the 30" a Retina display, it would be 5760x3600. That's 21 million pixels! That may be a stretch this year. Even the current 27" at Retina resolutions of 5120x2880 would have about 15 MP, that's somewhat more plausible.
 
Apple doesn't have to do anything. And Apple's customers look at what their computers can do for them, not what they are "sporting".

If they want to keep on selling as much laptops they will eventually have to raise the resolutions. Now that 1920x1080 is starting to creep down into 13" machines from many other manufacturers they can't be using 1440x900 forever in the MBA (and 1280x800 in the 13" MBP).
 
If they make a Retina 13" MBP I hope they put a real GPU in it. I really can't see how they couldn't since the on board GPU can barely drive the OS on the retina display so to do anything else I would think they would have to put a dedicated GPU in. If they do they'll finally have the 13" Pro that everyone has wanted for so long.

^^^ that will take the price well pat the $1200 sweet spot that makes the 13" their best seller
 
The Back-to-school-campaign ends September 21 (Friday).
I don´t think they usually release new products in this period, or have they done so before?
I guess we will see something new towards the end of September, but not before.


Do you think Apple really will have three parallell 13'' models, or will the original MBP be phased out? Or will the retina display incorporated in the Air?
 
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